Empirical Liberty Framework for Debating Gun Control

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Who's being punished? Most gun purchases already require a federal background check anyway, so how would ensuring that all other gun purchases (and I think the law allows transfers within a family so those are still exempt) also have background checks be considered a punishment?

I'll answer the mass shooting question - I don't think the current law would've stopped a single one. But I don't see how the law is "bad" or a "punishment" just because it doesn't address the issue of mass shootings. But I asked my question first which you still haven't answered - Why would people really be against a background check for someone who wanted to buy a gun?"

I am opposed to adding any more laws that burden law-abiding Americans...thousands of laws already exist, and all you can come up with is adding another law that you admit would not have stopped a single mass shooting...

Repeal the 2nd Amendment or STFU...

It’s your ultimate goal..let’s just get the fight over...

I think the left needs a law requiring that criminals register themselves and get back ground checks.

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[Chizzang]

I am opposed to adding any more laws that burden law-abiding Americans...thousands of laws already exist, and all you can come up with is adding another law that you admit would not have stopped a single mass shooting...

Repeal the 2nd Amendment or STFU...

It’s your ultimate goal..let’s just get the fight over...

This ^

There is no unwritten law
levitating in the cognitive ether of our congress that will solve anything related to our present situation

[SDHornet]

Who's being punished? Most gun purchases already require a federal background check anyway, so how would ensuring that all other gun purchases (and I think the law allows transfers within a family so those are still exempt) also have background checks be considered a punishment?

I'll answer the mass shooting question - I don't think the current law would've stopped a single one. But I don't see how the law is "bad" or a "punishment" just because it doesn't address the issue of mass shootings. But I asked my question first which you still haven't answered - Why would people really be against a background check for someone who wanted to buy a gun?"

I am opposed to adding any more laws that burden law-abiding Americans...thousands of laws already exist, and all you can come up with is adding another law that you admit would not have stopped a single mass shooting...

Repeal the 2nd Amendment or STFU...

It’s your ultimate goal..let’s just get the fight over...

[SDHornet]

I am opposed to adding any more laws that burden law-abiding Americans...thousands of laws already exist, and all you can come up with is adding another law that you admit would not have stopped a single mass shooting...

Repeal the 2nd Amendment or STFU...

It’s your ultimate goal..let’s just get the fight over...

This ^

There is no unwritten law
levitating in the cognitive ether of our congress that will solve anything related to our present situation

Also this.

[AZGrizFan]

GF, that’s the equivalent of saying “I don’t care...go ahead and search my house, I have nothing to hide! I’m a law abiding citizen!” You’re giving up a RIGHT to appease the vocal minority.

You are proposing punishing the 99.99% for the sins of the .01%, the same .01% who won’t follow any new (or existing) laws ANYWAY. If a new law is to be passed, shouldn’t it actually accomplish something? Or is it just to make some group “feel” good about themselves?

Like I just said in the other post, couple universal background checks with vastly improved reporting mechanisms and requirements for what goes into those background checks and you have something that is worthwhile. Everyone here has talked about mental health being a big problem when it comes to gun violence (and you could argue the number of suicides due to gun violence has a fair number from folks previously listed as having mental health issues). You do those two things and you've done something worthwhile that's far more than feeling good about yourself.

What good are background checks and mental health requirements when the law enforcement agencies ignore them? Parkland...Orlando....San Bernadino...Aurora...Vegas...mutiple failed enforcement opportunities of EXISTING laws/background checks/known issues/suspicions that could have prevented each of these. Sandy Hook....he took the gun from his father. The list goes on....none of the mass shootings would have been prevented by this new proposed or any other law. Fact remains, criminals don't follow the laws. Universal background checks burden the law abiding citizen. And if someone wants to kill themselves, they're going to kill themselves. Blaming the gun is a fucking cop out.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

They make liberals feel good AZ!

Thats what really matters

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[houndawg]

If we could sign an irrevocable treatise with the liberals that stated:

1. The gunshow loophole is closed. All sales/transfers must be accompanied by a background check in the US, regardless of circumstances.
2. Bump stocks are banned and owners will be fully compensated for turn-in.
3. Certified crazy people can't buy/own guns.
4. Upon signature, gun control will not be discussed further in this country.

I think 95% (including myself) of gun rights advocates would bless it.

But you know liberals will never go for that.

Why?

Confiscation is, and always has been, their ultimate goal.

So it took you 4 posts to go emotional and unempirical?

The 2nd amendment only applies to militia-aged males anyway, nobody else is being addressed.

[CID1990]

So it took you 4 posts to go emotional and unempirical?

The 2nd amendment only applies to militia-aged males anyway, nobody else is being addressed.

You have become as fact challenged as Trump or the Puerto Rican


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[houndawg]

They make liberals feel good AZ!

Thats what really matters

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They always shoot the wrong kids instead of the ones that grow up to be losers like you.

[houndawg]

The 2nd amendment only applies to militia-aged males anyway, nobody else is being addressed.

You have become as fact challenged as Trump or the Puerto Rican


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Who else might the founding fathers have been addressing besides property-owning males? The rabble? Slaves?

[CID1990]

You have become as fact challenged as Trump or the Puerto Rican


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Who else might the founding fathers have been addressing besides property-owning males? The rabble? Slaves?

They weren’t addressing any person or people at all. They were addressing the current and future governments.

Basic civics - another area where Trump, Pixie Dust and you are challenged



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[ALPHAGRIZ1]

They make liberals feel good AZ!

Thats what really matters

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They always shoot the wrong kids instead of the ones that grow up to be losers like you.

Its because i am armed and not a potential victim.

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[houndawg]

They always shoot the wrong kids instead of the ones that grow up to be losers like you.

Its because i am armed and not a potential victim.

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Its because they can't stop laughing long enough to steady their aim

[houndawg]

Who else might the founding fathers have been addressing besides property-owning males? The rabble? Slaves?

They weren’t addressing any person or people at all. They were addressing the current and future governments.

Basic civics - another area where Trump, Pixie Dust and you are challenged

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I wish I had more interest in the subject. Too much Appalachian DNA I guess..

[Gil Dobie]

When I was in Florida, there were a lot guns available at the flea markets. No restrictions down there, I could have walked up to a table and bought anything or any amount and no problem. Then driven back to Minnesota, thru Illinois, and no one would know the difference. I don't really have a need to stock pile, so I passed. Think I was 12 when I bought my first gun, .22 semi-automatic. Great for shooting varmints around the farm.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Its because i am armed and not a potential victim.

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Its because they can't stop laughing long enough to steady their aim

You are the single dumbest poster on here, do you really think i would let them even have a chance to draw?

Such stupidity shiuld get you a comfy gig at CNN or MSNBC

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