Trump and Existential Christian Fear

[89Hen]

From what I've read and seen, he wants to build a wall to slow the flow of illegals, and have them come into the country legally.

He's been slashing legal immigration.

Slashing like 5% slashing?

[andy7171]

First of all, Jesus referred to stuff in the Old Testament in the New Testament. Do you not believe in the Ten Commandments, or Adam & Eve, or Noah? What about Moses? But I've got news for you: Christians ignore the New Testament, too, although they pretend they don't.

But to answer Andy's question:

-Jesus uses beating slaves as a parable.
-Paul commands slaves to be obedient to their masters.
-Jesus killing a fig tree because it didn't bear fruit.
-Jesus telling followers to pluck their eyes out and cut their hands off for sinning.
-Jesus referring to and being fine with the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.
-Pretty much anything Paul says about marriage and same-sex relationships

Additionally, here's an extensive list to Andy's question (not compiled by me): http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt_list.html

I looked at the link, if that's what you believe is says, fine. I see it in a different light.

He doesn't.

[andy7171]

JSO is pissed that his evangelical wife voted for Trump.

[Chizzang]

No doubt he was selling that...
But at what price..?

Satan himself has plenty of nice things to sell as well
Which I think is the point of those that call out the Evangelical Christian Trump alliance

As they say, "Politics makes strange bedfellows". I doubt any of them are happy about Trumps life style and lies, but they are probably happy that he appointed conservative Supreme Court justices and his "Build the Wall" campaign against illegal immigration.

Understood, and I agree..
But when you willing surrender the moral high ground for short term gains
You change the nature of the argument forever

as a group:
They've become just another steaming pile of self serving hypocrites
with morally ambiguous goals and a dishonest nature



Not a viable long term strategy for the pious

[Gil Dobie]

From what I've read and seen, he wants to build a wall to slow the flow of illegals, and have them come into the country legally.

He's been slashing legal immigration.

Has he banned legal immigration?

[∞∞∞]

I looked at the link, if that's what you believe is says, fine. I see it in a different light.

He doesn't.

Yup, cause I don't fear death and the finality it brings. When my mom dies, that's it. When my father goes, I'll never see him again. When it's my time, I won't be reunited with loved ones.

But luck has gifted me life and I don't need wild stories to make me feel it has purpose.

That said, we each get one shot at this thing so if a desert human and supreme overlord makes you feel good, then you do you. I won't live by it, but good fantasy makes me feel good too.

[Gil Dobie]

As they say, "Politics makes strange bedfellows". I doubt any of them are happy about Trumps life style and lies, but they are probably happy that he appointed conservative Supreme Court justices and his "Build the Wall" campaign against illegal immigration.

Understood, and I agree..
But when you willing surrender the moral high ground for short term gains
You change the nature of the argument forever

as a group:
They've become just another steaming pile of self serving hypocrites
with morally ambiguous goals and a dishonest nature



Not a viable long term strategy for the pious

A vote for Hillary was a hypocritical vote too, as she would have appointed liberal court justices, and the stance against immigration and abortion is opposite of their beliefs.

[Gil Dobie]

He doesn't.

Yup, cause I don't fear death and the finality it brings. When my mom dies, that's it. When my father goes, I'll never see him again. When it's my time, I won't be reunited with loved ones.

But luck has gifted me life and I don't need wild stories to make me feel it has purpose.

That said, we each get one shot at this thing so if a desert human and supreme overlord makes you feel good, then you do you. I won't live by it, but good fantasy makes me feel good too.

To each his own.

[∞∞∞]

Yup, cause I don't fear death and the finality it brings. When my mom dies, that's it. When my father goes, I'll never see him again. When it's my time, I won't be reunited with loved ones.

But luck has gifted me life and I don't need wild stories to make me feel it has purpose.

That said, we each get one shot at this thing so if a desert human and supreme overlord makes you feel good, then you do you. I won't live by it, but good fantasy makes me feel good too.

To each his own.

But see, that's the point. Evangelicals tend to want limiting everyone's fundamental rights to live how they want. And to be fair, that's not necessarily an Evangelical trait either.

Because God.

[andy7171]

He doesn't.

Yup, cause I don't fear death and the finality it brings. When my mom dies, that's it. When my father goes, I'll never see him again. When it's my time, I won't be reunited with loved ones.

But luck has gifted me life and I don't need wild stories to make me feel it has purpose.

That said, we each get one shot at this thing so if a desert human and supreme overlord makes you feel good, then you do you. I won't live by it, but good fantasy makes me feel good too.

How does believing make me fear death?

[89Hen]

To each his own.

But see, that's the point. Evangelicals tend to want limiting everyone's fundamental rights to live how they want. And to be fair, that's not necessarily an Evangelical trait either.

Because God.

On some issues, sure, but I see just as many people on your side trying to limit religious expression even when it has zero to do with those religious folks trying to impose laws.

[∞∞∞]

Yup, cause I don't fear death and the finality it brings. When my mom dies, that's it. When my father goes, I'll never see him again. When it's my time, I won't be reunited with loved ones.

But luck has gifted me life and I don't need wild stories to make me feel it has purpose.

That said, we each get one shot at this thing so if a desert human and supreme overlord makes you feel good, then you do you. I won't live by it, but good fantasy makes me feel good too.

How does believing make me fear death?

Religion is literally born from the fear of death.

Seriously, what's the point of believing in your religion if you don't end up living for eternity in bliss? Why do you think that life after death - in some fashion - has been a central tenant of every religion.

[∞∞∞]

But see, that's the point. Evangelicals tend to want limiting everyone's fundamental rights to live how they want. And to be fair, that's not necessarily an Evangelical trait either.

Because God.

On some issues, sure, but I see just as many people on your side trying to limit religious expression even when it has zero to do with those religious folks trying to impose laws.

The separation of church and state is not limiting religious expression. Where do you see religion being limited when it isn't involved with public affairs?

[89Hen]

On some issues, sure, but I see just as many people on your side trying to limit religious expression even when it has zero to do with those religious folks trying to impose laws.

The separation of church and state is not limiting religious expression.

You don't believe in the Constitution dummy.

And you're getting it wrong anyway.

[∞∞∞]

The separation of church and state is not limiting religious expression.

You don't believe in the Constitution dummy.

And you're getting it wrong anyway.

I believe in the separation of Church and State, which is a philosophy that predates the Constitution.

Where is religion being limited when it isn't involved with public affairs?

[AZGrizFan]

To each his own.

But see, that's the point. Evangelicals tend to want limiting everyone's fundamental rights to live how they want. And to be fair, that's not necessarily an Evangelical trait either.

Because God.

Actually, you just described the left.

[89Hen]

You don't believe in the Constitution dummy.

And you're getting it wrong anyway.

I believe in the separation of Church and State, which is a philosophy that predates the Constitution.

Where is religion being limited when it isn't involved with public affairs?

I would post articles, but you wouldn't like the sources. Freedom from and OF religion is the part I think you don't like.

[Chizzang]

But see, that's the point. Evangelicals tend to want limiting everyone's fundamental rights to live how they want. And to be fair, that's not necessarily an Evangelical trait either.

Because God.

Actually, you just described the left.

meh...
It's anybody that believes something so profoundly
that they think it's more important than other peoples rights and freedoms

it's a byproduct of unyielding and unquestioning dogma (pick one)

[∞∞∞]

I believe in the separation of Church and State, which is a philosophy that predates the Constitution.

Where is religion being limited when it isn't involved with public affairs?

I would post articles, but you wouldn't like the sources. Freedom from and OF religion is the part I think you don't like.

Well that makes it tough to understand what you're saying. Are you implying the private sector is beginning to limit religious voices too? If so, that's a battle between free market forces and religion.

[AZGrizFan]

Actually, you just described the left.

meh...
It's anybody that believes something so profoundly
that they think it's more important than other peoples rights and freedoms

it's a byproduct of unyielding and unquestioning dogma (pick one)

The difference is that in "evangelicals" they're going to come to your door and try to talk you into living like they live. If you say 'fuck off' they just go to the next house. With what's become the mainstream left, they're going to scream you into submission if you dare have a dissenting opinion of how life should be lived. If you say 'fuck off' they call in Antifa to set you straight.

[andy7171]

But see, that's the point. Evangelicals tend to want limiting everyone's fundamental rights to live how they want. And to be fair, that's not necessarily an Evangelical trait either.

Because God.

Actually, you just described yourself.

FIFY

[∞∞∞]

Actually, you just described yourself.

FIFY

I want higher taxes, a severe divestment in defense funding, an investment in science, medicine, education, and technology, and better treatment/processes for all immigrants (legal or otherwise).

And how does this limits your freedoms and rights?

While on this site and throughout America, we've got plenty of people wanting to limit what jobs can be done based on their sexuality, are perfectly fine with detaining children like animals, are scared of same-sex bathrooms, want to tell women what they can do with their bodies, don't agree with the rights for workers to create unions, and turn a blind eye to rich people robbing Americans blind.

[AZGrizFan]

FIFY

I want higher taxes, a severe divestment in defense funding, an investment in science, medicine, education, and technology, and better treatment/processes for all immigrants (legal or otherwise).

And how does this limits your freedoms and rights?

While over here, we've got plenty of people wanting to limit what people can do based on their sexuality, are perfectly fine with detaining children like animals, want to tell women what they can do with their bodies, don't agree with the rights for workers to gather and create unions, and turn a blind eye to rich people robbing Americans blind.

It's not THEIR body we're concerned about. It's the one you don't give two shit's about that's inside her.

[89Hen]

FIFY

I want higher taxes, a severe divestment in defense funding, an investment in science, medicine, education, and technology, and better treatment/processes for all immigrants (legal or otherwise).

And how does this limits your freedoms and rights?

While on this site and throughout America, we've got plenty of people wanting to limit what jobs can be done based on their sexuality, are perfectly fine with detaining children like animals, are scared of same-sex bathrooms, want to tell women what they can do with their bodies, don't agree with the rights for workers to create unions, and turn a blind eye to rich people robbing Americans blind.

You are such a treat.

[Gil Dobie]

FIFY

I want higher taxes, a severe divestment in defense funding, an investment in science, medicine, education, and technology, and better treatment/processes for all immigrants (legal or otherwise).

And how does this limits your freedoms and rights?

While on this site and throughout America, we've got plenty of people wanting to limit what jobs can be done based on their sexuality, are perfectly fine with detaining children like animals, are scared of same-sex bathrooms, want to tell women what they can do with their bodies, don't agree with the rights for workers to create unions, and turn a blind eye to rich people robbing Americans blind.

Just what the poor and middle class want, more taxes.