Сделаем Америку снова великой! Trump - Russia megathread

[Chizzang]

There's nothing to "counter"
It's written in plain English as the opening premise of the report...

Well, there you have it. Haven't had a chance to read it so I wouldn't know.

I'll try and read it later.

By the way, wasn't saying your take was wrong, saying that if Mueller weaseled out, that was crap.

He was specifically directed to come to a decision and he left it up to Barr and Rosenstein.

Jeezus.. Not really
Mueller interpreted the roles of the Justice Department
and explained his interpretation very clearly

1) The DOJ cannot charge a sitting President (Period) with anything
2) all the DOJ can do is collect information and present it
3) there can only be two findings a) not guilty and b) not - not guilty
4) the president is not - not guilty

that's it...
That's all I was saying and I didn't even say it first Mueller said it first

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f71Rasj_0JY

[css75]

The only collusion was done by the Clintons when they conspired with the Russians on the phony Steele Dossier.


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[Ibanez]

The only collusion was done by the Clintons when they conspired with the Russians on the phony Steele Dossier.


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Which is it? Collusion or conspiracy? One is a crime, the other isn't.


And if you are saying that opposition research is a crime, then you need to lock up just about every politician.

[houndawg]

The global temperature is rising
The climate is changing - facts

The Earth's climate has never not changed in the history of the planet - fact

Change isn't the problem, rate of change is the problem.

[houndawg]

The only collusion was done by the Clintons when they conspired with the Russians on the phony Steele Dossier.


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Was the dossier delivered by a black helicopter, '75?

[89Hen]

The Earth's climate has never not changed in the history of the planet - fact

Change isn't the problem, rate of change is the problem.

You're right. I'd give us 12 years at best.

[CID1990]

Oh good lord Clitz

Nice diversion evoking Jelly but the only person traumatized here is obviously him

You are obfuscating and you know full well what you are up to

The “not not guilty” being referred to is in reference to obstruction. And I would agree with that. Trump certainly tried if he didn’t succeed

But you are suggesting that the report finds Trump “not not guilty” of all the allegations, including some kind of conspiracy - of essentially being a Russian agent - and it does not

Somebody else does a lot of obfuscating and you are continually front and center to point it out - odd


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[Ivytalk]

Change isn't the problem, rate of change is the problem.

You're right. I'd give us 12 years at best.

My international law prof takes the under at 7

[SeattleGriz]

Oh good lord Clitz

Nice diversion evoking Jelly but the only person traumatized here is obviously him

You are obfuscating and you know full well what you are up to

The “not not guilty” being referred to is in reference to obstruction. And I would agree with that. Trump certainly tried if he didn’t succeed

But you are suggesting that the report finds Trump “not not guilty” of all the allegations, including some kind of conspiracy - of essentially being a Russian agent - and it does not

Somebody else does a lot of obfuscating and you are continually front and center to point it out - odd


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Thank you. My favorite was when he said we needed to focus on facts or something of that sort way up in the thread.

[SDHornet]

Chizzy going "all in" on the spin and goalpost moving with the Russiagate narrative. This thread has yet to stop delivering the lolz.

[JohnStOnge]

Pretty much every lawyer who has responded to the Barr report believes he misrepresented the report



Watch the Legal Eagle Youtube report above

because by Mueller's written definition of his position
he believes the DOJ cannot indict the standing president of a crime
So there are only two possible outcomes of the report

1) Not Guilty
2) Not - Not guilty

President Trump was found "Not" not guilty

He was cleared of collusion. Please don't tell me you are hanging your hat on obstruction.

He was not "cleared of collusion." The report explicitly said it did not address that question. And, no, that is not moving the goal post.

[CID1990]

He was cleared of collusion. Please don't tell me you are hanging your hat on obstruction.

He was not "cleared of collusion." The report explicitly said it did not address that question. And, no, that is not moving the goal post.

Wait

WHAT?

You mean the special prosecutor who was assigned to look into possible collusion with Russians never actually addressed possible collusion with Russians?

Boy this thing has taken a surreal dystopian turn! I suggest altering some prescription doses

[Ibanez]

He was cleared of collusion. Please don't tell me you are hanging your hat on obstruction.

He was not "cleared of collusion." The report explicitly said it did not address that question. And, no, that is not moving the goal post.

Maybe b/c collusion isn't a crime.

But from the report:

The investigation also identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign. Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit
electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.

You should be happy that Trump didn't conspire with a foreign government.

[CID1990]

He was not "cleared of collusion." The report explicitly said it did not address that question. And, no, that is not moving the goal post.

Maybe b/c collusion isn't a crime.

But from the report:

The investigation also identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign. Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit
electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.

You should be happy that Trump didn't conspire with a foreign government.

Exactly

Judas Priest I thought Jelly had a bad case

Obviously a couple people here carry a torch for him


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[JohnStOnge]

We understood coordination to require an agreement-tacit or express- between the Trump Campaign and the Russian government on election interference. That requires more than the two parties taking actions that were informed by or responsive to the other's actions or interests.

Just contemplate the statement made in the second sentence.

[CID1990]

We understood coordination to require an agreement-tacit or express- between the Trump Campaign and the Russian government on election interference. That requires more than the two parties taking actions that were informed by or responsive to the other's actions or interests.

Just contemplate the statement made in the second sentence.

I don't think that statement means what you think it means.

[css75]

We understood coordination to require an agreement-tacit or express- between the Trump Campaign and the Russian government on election interference. That requires more than the two parties taking actions that were informed by or responsive to the other's actions or interests.

Just contemplate the statement made in the second sentence.

John StJelly should be your new name.


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[houndawg]

He was not "cleared of collusion." The report explicitly said it did not address that question. And, no, that is not moving the goal post.

Maybe b/c collusion isn't a crime.

But from the report:

The investigation also identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign. Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit
electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.

You should be happy that Trump didn't conspire with a foreign government.

I'm happy but I'd be happier if it weren't just because he's too dim and/or his aides refused to carry out his instructions.

[houndawg]

BTW I am getting to the point of thinking I have to read the whole Mueller report myself. I think it's fairly likely based on quotes I've seen that Barr misrepresented what it says. But I'd have to read it all myself to be sure. And there's the thing about Barr not redacting it so much that there appears to be ample evidence that he misrepresented it. That's pretty weird. Why would somebody misrepresent a report while failing to redact it to an extent that would keep people from being able to see that he misrepresented it?

Team Mueller provided him with summaries, why doesn't he just release those?

[Chizzang]

Oh good lord Clitz

Nice diversion evoking Jelly but the only person traumatized here is obviously him

You are obfuscating and you know full well what you are up to

The “not not guilty” being referred to is in reference to obstruction. And I would agree with that. Trump certainly tried if he didn’t succeed

But you are suggesting that the report finds Trump “not not guilty” of all the allegations, including some kind of conspiracy - of essentially being a Russian agent - and it does not

Somebody else does a lot of obfuscating and you are continually front and center to point it out - odd

You guys have lost your ability to read words on a page
I make no implications
the report finds Trump not guilt of conspiracy the entire free wold is aware of that



Nobody is talking about conspiracy
read what I wrote

Note:
Since he's been cleared of conspiracy there is but one remaining hurdle
Two guesses what that is - and he likely can't be charged while he's president - certainly not by the DOJ
as presented by Mueller's report

[CID1990]

Oh good lord Clitz

Nice diversion evoking Jelly but the only person traumatized here is obviously him

You are obfuscating and you know full well what you are up to

The “not not guilty” being referred to is in reference to obstruction. And I would agree with that. Trump certainly tried if he didn’t succeed

But you are suggesting that the report finds Trump “not not guilty” of all the allegations, including some kind of conspiracy - of essentially being a Russian agent - and it does not

Somebody else does a lot of obfuscating and you are continually front and center to point it out - odd

You guys have lost your ability to read words on a page
I make no implications
the report finds Trump not guilt of conspiracy the entire free wold is aware of that



Nobody is talking about conspiracy
read what I wrote

Note:
Since he's been cleared of conspiracy there is but one remaining hurdle
Two guesses what that is - and he likely can't be charged while he's president - certainly not by the DOJ
as presented by Mueller's report

OK

I didn’t see you referencing either issue specifically - which would lead someone not following closely to think you were implying “not not guilty” also applied to conspiracy


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[Ibanez]

Maybe b/c collusion isn't a crime.

But from the report:



You should be happy that Trump didn't conspire with a foreign government.

I'm happy but I'd be happier if it weren't just because he's too dim and/or his aides refused to carry out his instructions.

Trump is dimmer than Hodor.

[houndawg]

BTW I am getting to the point of thinking I have to read the whole Mueller report myself. I think it's fairly likely based on quotes I've seen that Barr misrepresented what it says. But I'd have to read it all myself to be sure. And there's the thing about Barr not redacting it so much that there appears to be ample evidence that he misrepresented it. That's pretty weird. Why would somebody misrepresent a report then fail to redact it to an extent that would keep people from being able to see that he misrepresented it?

Because he didn't misrepresent the report?

Wrong. That's exactly why he was hired.

[Ibanez]

So...can we lock this thread or are we waiting for Jelly to return?

[GannonFan]

So...can we lock this thread or are we waiting for Jelly to return?

Nah, JSO has jumped right into the flushing toilet in an attempt to either save Jelly or go spinning down with him. Misery loves company apparently.