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11 yr. old rape victim must carry and deliver baby...

Postby Chizzang » Fri May 10, 2019 10:40 am

"An 11-year-old rape victim in northwestern Ohio is pregnant, according to news reports, and a highly restrictive state law on abortion signed last month says a girl in her position must carry and deliver her rapist’s baby.

In arguing the abortion issue I used to test the zealotry of my anti-choice opponents with a hypothetical question with similar facts, and was often told such a situation was too far-fetched to be probative. But now the hypothetical is real..."

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Re: 11 yr. old rape victim must carry and deliver baby...

Postby 89Hen » Fri May 10, 2019 11:41 am

Fishing expedition.
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Re: 11 yr. old rape victim must carry and deliver baby...

Postby kalm » Fri May 10, 2019 12:05 pm

89Hen wrote:Fishing expedition when you’re not the 11 year old rape victim.


Agreed.
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Re: 11 yr. old rape victim must carry and deliver baby...

Postby dbackjon » Fri May 10, 2019 12:07 pm

89Hen wrote:Fishing expedition.



How so?


Cleets is right - these type of situations were always dismissed by the forced-birthers as too far-fetched. But they are not.
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Re: 11 yr. old rape victim must carry and deliver baby...

Postby Chizzang » Fri May 10, 2019 12:09 pm

kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote:Fishing expedition when you’re not the 11 year old rape victim.


Agreed.


Everything that is controversial is to some degree a "fishing expedition"
but to those who argued "These crazy scenarios will never happen" well here we are...


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Postby BDKJMU » Fri May 10, 2019 12:09 pm

Chizzang wrote:"An 11-year-old rape victim in northwestern Ohio is pregnant, according to news reports, and a highly restrictive state law on abortion signed last month says a girl in her position must carry and deliver her rapist’s baby.

In arguing the abortion issue I used to test the zealotry of my anti-choice opponents with a hypothetical question with similar facts, and was often told such a situation was too far-fetched to be probative. But now the hypothetical is real..."

https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/ ... story.html

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Re: 11 yr. old rape victim must carry and deliver baby...

Postby ALPHAGRIZ1 » Fri May 10, 2019 12:17 pm

Deliver it and put it up for adoption.

Then throw the parents in jail for letting their 11 year old fuck.

Sickening you guys would rather murder the baby

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Re: 11 yr. old rape victim must carry and deliver baby...

Postby kalm » Fri May 10, 2019 12:20 pm

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Chizzang wrote:"An 11-year-old rape victim in northwestern Ohio is pregnant, according to news reports, and a highly restrictive state law on abortion signed last month says a girl in her position must carry and deliver her rapist’s baby.

In arguing the abortion issue I used to test the zealotry of my anti-choice opponents with a hypothetical question with similar facts, and was often told such a situation was too far-fetched to be probative. But now the hypothetical is real..."

https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/ ... story.html

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So you and 89hen are on record as supporting laws that force an 11 year old rape victim to carry to term.
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Postby 89Hen » Fri May 10, 2019 12:24 pm

You guys do realize that was an OpEd piece written by a pro-choice guy and there was nothing to substantiate that one, there actually was an impregnated 11 yo and two, that her case does indeed fall under this law. He didn't site any source on the first part and speculated on how far along this girl's pregnancy was.
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Postby AZGrizFan » Fri May 10, 2019 12:25 pm

Chizzang wrote:
kalm wrote:
Agreed.


Everything that is controversial is to some degree a "fishing expedition"
but to those who argued "These crazy scenarios will never happen" well here we are...


:nod:


It's why there is never a true black/white answer to questions like abortion. This girl obviously should be allowed to terminate this pregnancy, and anyone who says otherwise is just being blindly partisan. If it were my daughter, after I got done killing the POS who did it to her, we'd be traveling to another state and having it done. :nod:
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Postby kalm » Fri May 10, 2019 12:26 pm

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Deliver it and put it up for adoption.

Then throw the parents in jail for letting their 11 year old fuck.

Sickening you guys would rather murder the baby

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Re: 11 yr. old rape victim must carry and deliver baby...

Postby kalm » Fri May 10, 2019 12:26 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Everything that is controversial is to some degree a "fishing expedition"
but to those who argued "These crazy scenarios will never happen" well here we are...


:nod:


It's why there is never a true black/white answer to questions like abortion. This girl obviously should be allowed to terminate this pregnancy, and anyone who says otherwise is just being blindly partisan. If it were my daughter, after I got done killing the POS who did it to her, we'd be traveling to another state and having it done. :nod:


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Re: 11 yr. old rape victim must carry and deliver baby...

Postby AZGrizFan » Fri May 10, 2019 12:28 pm

kalm wrote:
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It's why there is never a true black/white answer to questions like abortion. This girl obviously should be allowed to terminate this pregnancy, and anyone who says otherwise is just being blindly partisan. If it were my daughter, after I got done killing the POS who did it to her, we'd be traveling to another state and having it done. :nod:


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Postby ∞∞∞ » Fri May 10, 2019 12:58 pm

Hopefully the girl gets the medical and emotional support she needs, as well as the choice to go to another state if required (although it says she'll be able to get the abortion in Ohio until mid-July when the law takes effect, but in-case she decides after July.).

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Postby SeattleGriz » Fri May 10, 2019 3:47 pm

Hmm. From the story.

"A barely pubescent girl has been impregnated, allegedly, by a 26-year-old man who had sex with her on multiple occasions".
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Postby ALPHAGRIZ1 » Fri May 10, 2019 4:21 pm

SeattleGriz wrote:Hmm. From the story.

"A barely pubescent girl has been impregnated, allegedly, by a 26-year-old man who had sex with her on multiple occasions".
Shitty parents

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Postby ALPHAGRIZ1 » Fri May 10, 2019 4:49 pm

Bottom line is, its her body and you fuckers dont get to tell her what to do with it.

Look on the bright side, a few short years ago none of you gave one fuck about her life...........
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Postby JohnStOnge » Fri May 10, 2019 5:36 pm

Chizzang wrote:"An 11-year-old rape victim in northwestern Ohio is pregnant, according to news reports, and a highly restrictive state law on abortion signed last month says a girl in her position must carry and deliver her rapist’s baby.

In arguing the abortion issue I used to test the zealotry of my anti-choice opponents with a hypothetical question with similar facts, and was often told such a situation was too far-fetched to be probative. But now the hypothetical is real..."

https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/ ... story.html


I've never had a problem with this sort of thing. The premise is that the existence of a member of our species is established at conception. A member of our species has a right to continue its life. How the conception occurred does not change that. Saying that an 11 year old can abort a pregnancy because she had sex with a 26 year old and that's legally rape is saying that the individual who's existence has been established can be killed because his or her father took advantage of an 11 year old.

No. It's not the individual's who's life is at stake's fault. It's a tragic situation. But it does not justify killing an innocent individual.
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Postby 93henfan » Fri May 10, 2019 5:43 pm

Then you're obviously opposed to all wars, all carbon emissions, driving a car, guns, running with scissors and all the other things that kill people then, no?
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Postby Ivytalk » Fri May 10, 2019 7:54 pm

Story about pregnant 11-year-old was too difficult for good old JSO to pass up.

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Re: 11 yr. old rape victim must carry and deliver baby...

Postby Chizzang » Sat May 11, 2019 7:46 am

93henfan wrote:Then you're obviously opposed to all wars, all carbon emissions, driving a car, guns, running with scissors and all the other things that kill people then, no?


it's a tricky moral dance...
it's easy to defend either position (for or against) if you apply zero moral uniformity to the greater landscape

This is why abortion is still the most fascinating human dilemma
both positions are easily viewed as correct

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Re: 11 yr. old rape victim must carry and deliver baby...

Postby CID1990 » Sat May 11, 2019 8:46 am

Chizzang wrote:
93henfan wrote:Then you're obviously opposed to all wars, all carbon emissions, driving a car, guns, running with scissors and all the other things that kill people then, no?


it's a tricky moral dance...
it's easy to defend either position (for or against) if you apply zero moral uniformity to the greater landscape

This is why abortion is still the most fascinating human dilemma
both positions are easily viewed as correct

:nod:


It is easy actually ... if you view it honestly

The pro-abortion left needs to own its nihilism and call it what it is...

Denying it only prolongs the agony yet changes nothing

Abortion is killing... homicide... murder

There is no reason to equivocate about it... there are too many people here. We need to be killing as many as we can


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Re: RE: Re: 11 yr. old rape victim must carry and deliver baby...

Postby UNI88 » Sat May 11, 2019 9:05 am

CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
it's a tricky moral dance...
it's easy to defend either position (for or against) if you apply zero moral uniformity to the greater landscape

This is why abortion is still the most fascinating human dilemma
both positions are easily viewed as correct

:nod:


It is easy actually ... if you view it honestly

The pro-abortion left needs to own its nihilism and call it what it is...

Denying it only prolongs the agony yet changes nothing

Abortion is killing... homicide... murder

There is no reason to equivocate about it... there are too many people here. We need to be killing as many as we can


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Shouldn't the pro-life crowd also own their nihilism? That the vast majority of them only care about the child until it's born. After that it's on its own no matter how shitty of a life it was born into.

There is a lot of hypocrisy on both sides.

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Postby CID1990 » Sat May 11, 2019 9:19 am

UNI88 wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
It is easy actually ... if you view it honestly

The pro-abortion left needs to own its nihilism and call it what it is...

Denying it only prolongs the agony yet changes nothing

Abortion is killing... homicide... murder

There is no reason to equivocate about it... there are too many people here. We need to be killing as many as we can


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Shouldn't the pro-life crowd also own their nihilism? That the vast majority of them only care about the child until it's born. After that it's on its own no matter how shitty of a life it was born into.

There is a lot of hypocrisy on both sides.

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Yeah, I guess

If you agree with the pro-lifers

I do, in terms of the Christian morality of my upbringing

But I evolved beyond that... since I am not afraid of being smited with conflagrations and floods (sent down from the bearded man in the sky)... why should I NOT be in favor of the survival of our species? (I might evolve on that one too)

Abortion is a small part of a larger strategy of keeping us at survivable population levels. We will all eventually become “little Hitlers” if current trends continue


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Re: 11 yr. old rape victim must carry and deliver baby...

Postby Chizzang » Sat May 11, 2019 10:09 am

CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
it's a tricky moral dance...
it's easy to defend either position (for or against) if you apply zero moral uniformity to the greater landscape

This is why abortion is still the most fascinating human dilemma
both positions are easily viewed as correct

:nod:


It is easy actually ... if you view it honestly

The pro-abortion left needs to own its nihilism and call it what it is...

Denying it only prolongs the agony yet changes nothing

Abortion is killing... homicide... murder

There is no reason to equivocate about it... there are too many people here. We need to be killing as many as we can


"Honesty" is a silly word coming from a conservative (these days)
They seem to only notice it's absence within a narrow field of topics

The moral high horse provides an obstructed view apparently

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