Who knows what people really believe in their heart of hearts...89Hen wrote:No Mr Smarty Pants, you are stupid.Chizzang wrote:
93hen already said it in his own way:
It's not a cut and dry murder debate as much as that's the only ground Pro-Life has to stand on...
Even guys like CID announcing that "Honesty" is all that's required to fully understand it
It has to be completely isolated in a vacuum with no other data just "Murder"
in order for that argument to stand - unfortunately - the ugly world gets in the way
and the scenarios and situations range wildly
abortion in murder = murder is illegal
guns kill = guns should be illegal
it's never that simple - the Left gun control argument is myopic and stupid
and the Rights Abortion argument is myopic and stupid
Seriously though, that was one of your worst posts ever.
I am pro-life and I do not stand on murder. You guys have tried time and time again to paint me into a corner on whether a woman who has an abortion should be tried for first degree murder. I'm not down with that. But not knowing exactly what the punishment should be for a crime doesn't mean it shouldn't be a crime.
FTR, SG's analogy wasn't really that bad. Society as a whole makes laws these days. Not one gender or race.
the pro-life argument is a murder argument regardless of your undecided perspective
if we open the door just a crack and let the light in... and suggest there are cases where it's not murder
the entire argument dissolves into ether and becomes an entirely different debate
CID got that part right - stand on murder - and don't waiver
otherwise we're debating all the minutia that is the ugly reality of this world