AOC = Liberal Goddess

[kalm]

Yeah! They need to pander to Wall Street, apply interventionist foreign policy, and rekindle the war on drugs even more!

Reading comprehension = 0

“They needed to move to the center”

As CID pointed out numerous times, Clinton is neo-con.

She notoriously took money from Wall Street, blew off populism, and lost to a former Democrat. Running as Republican Lite is not a winning strategy.

The Dems primaried several establishment donks and took back the house.

What part of your hack analysis do you think I didn’t understand?

[AZGrizFan]

Reading comprehension = 0

“They needed to move to the center”

As CID pointed out numerous times, Clinton is neo-con.

She notoriously took money from Wall Street, blew off populism, and lost to a former Democrat. Running as Republican Lite is not a winning strategy.

The Dems primaried several establishment donks and took back the house.

What part of your hack analysis do you think I didn’t understand?

You think opening borders, free healthcare for illegals, SHOWING illegals how to get across the border, running up the Mexican flag at an ICE facility, supporting ANTIFA’s actions, etc., etc., represent the views of the majority of Americans?

They went full retard, bro. Full fucking retard. As CID said, all they had to do was not go batshit crazy. They couldn’t even do that.

[Ivytalk]

Trump will win at least 40 states, not because he is great, but the Dems will continue to be totally crazy.


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Long way to go yet. We still have a 50-50 Nation, and if there’s a black on the Donk ticket, all bets are off.

[AZGrizFan]

Trump will win at least 40 states, not because he is great, but the Dems will continue to be totally crazy.


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Long way to go yet. We still have a 50-50 Nation, and if there’s a black on the Donk ticket, all bets are off.

Yes, 50/50...but the majority of their 50 are located in two states.

[CID1990]

SO now you're all starting to believe me when I said: Trump 2020

I've even got money on it with Ivy...
who got confused momentarily and thought Joe Biden wouldn't be consumed by the Feminist SJW takeover

I'll repeat it:
Trump 2020

I'm not there yet -

Harris tried to savage Biden (and she did draw his numbers down)... but she is no Barack Obama and she has racial baggage of her own - namely, being a prosecutor

I think if Biden can avoid looking like a bumbling old man like he did when she went after him on busing (and then one day later she flip flopped, of course) then he will still be the nominee. And if that happens it will be a repudiation of the SJW left. Then Biden can do what he really wants and run to the center. That will be Biden in a landslide

So I guess me not yet being convinced is because I am not yet convinced the SJWs will take Biden down

[kalm]

SO now you're all starting to believe me when I said: Trump 2020

I've even got money on it with Ivy...
who got confused momentarily and thought Joe Biden wouldn't be consumed by the Feminist SJW takeover

I'll repeat it:
Trump 2020

I'm not there yet -

Harris tried to savage Biden (and she did draw his numbers down)... but she is no Barack Obama and she has racial baggage of her own - namely, being a prosecutor

I think if Biden can avoid looking like a bumbling old man like he did when she went after him on busing (and then one day later she flip flopped, of course) then he will still be the nominee. And if that happens it will be a repudiation of the SJW left. Then Biden can do what he really wants and run to the center. That will be Biden in a landslide

So I guess me not yet being convinced is because I am not yet convinced the SJWs will take Biden down

Solid analysis and I hope you’re right.

[kalm]

“They needed to move to the center”

As CID pointed out numerous times, Clinton is neo-con.

She notoriously took money from Wall Street, blew off populism, and lost to a former Democrat. Running as Republican Lite is not a winning strategy.

The Dems primaried several establishment donks and took back the house.

What part of your hack analysis do you think I didn’t understand?

You think opening borders, free healthcare for illegals, SHOWING illegals how to get across the border, running up the Mexican flag at an ICE facility, supporting ANTIFA’s actions, etc., etc., represent the views of the majority of Americans?

No. And I could be wrong, but the border situation might be worse then advertised. I’ll acknowledge that.

[AZGrizFan]

You think opening borders, free healthcare for illegals, SHOWING illegals how to get across the border, running up the Mexican flag at an ICE facility, supporting ANTIFA’s actions, etc., etc., represent the views of the majority of Americans?

No. And I could be wrong, but the border situation might be worse then advertised. I’ll acknowledge that.

That depends on what advertising you’re watching.

[CID1990]

You think opening borders, free healthcare for illegals, SHOWING illegals how to get across the border, running up the Mexican flag at an ICE facility, supporting ANTIFA’s actions, etc., etc., represent the views of the majority of Americans?

No. And I could be wrong, but the border situation might be worse then advertised. I’ll acknowledge that.

More than 100,000 apprehensions in June alone. They are making their way across the border and then turning themselves in with asylum claims. They and the coyotes are gaming the system and the system cannot keep up.


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[kalm]

No. And I could be wrong, but the border situation might be worse then advertised. I’ll acknowledge that.

That depends on what advertising you’re watching.

It dawned on me as I was watching a CNN video of Pence visiting a facility.

Some of us can actually consume infotainment with a healthy degree of cynicism and form our own opinions.

[kalm]

No. And I could be wrong, but the border situation might be worse then advertised. I’ll acknowledge that.

More than 100,000 apprehensions in June alone. They are making their way across the border and then turning themselves in with asylum claims. They and the coyotes are gaming the system and the system cannot keep up.


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And this is why I wasn’t necessarily opposed to Trumps early immigration ideas and the wall. It’s easy for me up here where I’m less effected to not care but I can see some serious long term concerns.

[∞∞∞]

Work towards an economic union of the Americas and open the border.

We should already have an open border with the Canada, Mexico, Japan, South Korea, and the European Union.

[kalm]

Work towards an economic union of the Americas and open the border.

We should already have an open border with the Europe Union.

How is that gonna help?

[∞∞∞]

Work towards an economic union of the Americas and open the border.

We should already have an open border with the Europe Union.

How is that gonna help?

Historically, open borders and free trade between humans improve economies and standards of living. You have a larger worker pool to draw from, increase your tax base, spur the competition of ideas (aka. capitalism), improve on bureaucratic inefficiencies in trading/immigration systems, give people more choices in how to improve their lives (liberty), and strengthen peace between societies.

edit: an open border doesn't mean anyone can just come in; people can still be denied entry. If anything, it more easily tracks people from other nations who enter the United States.

[CAA Flagship]

How is that gonna help?

Historically, open borders and free trade between humans improve economies and standards of living. You have a larger worker pool to draw from, increase your tax base, spur the competition of ideas (aka. capitalism), improve on bureaucratic inefficiencies in trading/immigration systems, give people more choices in how to improve their lives (liberty), and strengthen peace between societies.

edit: an open border doesn't mean anyone can just come in; people can still be denied entry. If anything, it more easily tracks people from other nations who enter the United States.

Then don't use the term "open border". The term you are looking for is population growth.

[Gil Dobie]

How is that gonna help?

Historically, open borders and free trade between humans improve economies and standards of living. You have a larger worker pool to draw from, increase your tax base, spur the competition of ideas (aka. capitalism), improve on bureaucratic inefficiencies in trading/immigration systems, give people more choices in how to improve their lives (liberty), and strengthen peace between societies.

edit: an open border doesn't mean anyone can just come in; people can still be denied entry. If anything, it more easily tracks people from other nations who enter the United States.

9/11 changed the world. Now we need passports to go to Canada, instead of just reporting at the border. Grew up in a border town. Played little league baseball in a mixed US/Canada league. Canadians would come swimming at our pool, attend church with us, played high school basketball against them. Not much of that exist anymore with the new world order.

[CID1990]

Work towards an economic union of the Americas and open the border.

We should already have an open border with the Canada, Mexico, Japan, South Korea, and the European Union.

We already have open borders with all of those except Mexico

It is called the “visa waiver program”. You should look it up, Treep. Become less ignorant and naive

The other countries meet various criteria to qualify. Mexico, with their corruption, lax enforcement, and drug wars does not. It’s called “stability”, and is is why Mexicans need visas to travel to all those other countries, not just us

[CID1990]

Here you go, Treep:

https://www.axios.com/alexandria-ocasio ... dfdf9.html

How do you like the idea of a Trump second term, along with a GOP House and Senate again?

A CNN poll posted here earlier has Trump losing to every Dem candidate, but handily beating a generic known socialist Dem candidate

Keep on with those open borders and Bolshevik unicorns and see how it works out, bubba

[∞∞∞]

Work towards an economic union of the Americas and open the border.

We should already have an open border with the Canada, Mexico, Japan, South Korea, and the European Union.

We already have open borders with all of those except Mexico

It is called the “visa waiver program”. You should look it up, Treep. Become less ignorant and naive

The other countries meet various criteria to qualify. Mexico, with their corruption, lax enforcement, and drug wars does not. It’s called “stability”, and is is why Mexicans need visas to travel to all those other countries, not just us

The Visa waiver program is nothing like what I'm suggesting.

A European Union-style system is closer.

[∞∞∞]

Mexico, with their corruption, lax enforcement, and drug wars does not. It’s called “stability”, and is is why Mexicans need visas to travel to all those other countries, not just us

I consider this nation as corrupt if not more so. We're simply more sophisticated and less violent about it.

I also laugh at the idea you consider this nation stable. The social, political, and economic divisions are festering deep and bubbling to the surface. Hopefully it doesn't burst.

[BDKJMU]

Mexico, with their corruption, lax enforcement, and drug wars does not. It’s called “stability”, and is is why Mexicans need visas to travel to all those other countries, not just us

I consider this nation as corrupt if not more so. We're simply more sophisticated and less violent about it.

I also laugh at the idea you consider this nation stable. The social, political, and economic divisions are festering deep and bubbling to the surface. Hopefully it doesn't burst.

This goes right up there with your 2018 ‘Time to throw out the Constitution’ and ‘let’s have 10k legislators in Congress’..
Yeah, the US is as least as corrupt as Mexico, and no more stable. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

[AZGrizFan]

Mexico, with their corruption, lax enforcement, and drug wars does not. It’s called “stability”, and is is why Mexicans need visas to travel to all those other countries, not just us

I consider this nation as corrupt if not more so. We're simply more sophisticated and less violent about it.

I also laugh at the idea you consider this nation stable. The social, political, and economic divisions are festering deep and bubbling to the surface. Hopefully it doesn't burst.

I see you found your tinfoil hats again....

[AZGrizFan]

That depends on what advertising you’re watching.

It dawned on me as I was watching a CNN video of Pence visiting a facility.

Some of us can actually consume infotainment with a healthy degree of cynicism and form our own opinions.

Point being, the truth lies somewhere between CNN's absolute denial and Fox News's "The Sky is Falling"...

[Chizzang]

I consider this nation as corrupt if not more so. We're simply more sophisticated and less violent about it.

I also laugh at the idea you consider this nation stable. The social, political, and economic divisions are festering deep and bubbling to the surface. Hopefully it doesn't burst.

All ^ of that is pretty true actually...
But nothing is going to "burst" as long as we have the things we have

We live in a nation where our non working poor are over weight (somehow..?)
Fact: US counties with poverty rates higher than 35% have obesity rates 145% greater than average.

We live in a country where everybody has a cell phone
and a TV
and subsidized housing
and free school for the kids



No overweight poor person with their kid on a lunch program is going to start a revolution

[∞∞∞]

I mostly agree. I think it'll be a gradual change (like most in American politics), but the way the new Republican party systemically undermines democracy and liberty, it can end violently (either way).

All I can guarantee is that history will be unkind to Trump, BDK, etc.