The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

[93henfan]

It was very authentic. The Army chopper arrival was mistimed. The Air Force overflight was on time, but overly complex and way over budget.

[SeattleGriz]

June 2017:
US oil output poised to hit 10 million barrels a day next year, breaking 1970 record, EIA says
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/06/us-oil- ... r-eia.html

Dec 2018:
The U.S. Just Became a Net Oil Exporter for the First Time in 75 Years
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... n-75-years

June 2019:
U.S. Oil Output Tops 12 Million Barrels a Day for First Time
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-oil-ou ... 00720.html

Thanks Trump

And he's not even an oil man, wow!

He's making it cheaper for companies to run their businesses. Fuel is a big cost.

[GannonFan]

So how was the Red Square military parade and partisan campaign speech?


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I don't get the cognitive disconnect on this. Trump goes to France, France mind you, two years ago and is there for their Bastille Day parade, which has a fair amount of military involvement and displays. As Trump leaves France, again France, he comments to Macron, who at that time was still the rising face of the EU prior to all the yellow jacket people, that he wants to copy France, again France, and have a similar parade in DC. Yet all we hear from critics of Trump is that he wants to copy NK or Russia and be a dictator in the mold of Putin and the NK guy because he wanted some military hardware at the parade. Apparently France is easily confused with communist dictatorships.

I get that Trump is a buffoon and left to his own devices he could make some really serious mistakes, but I thought the whole up in arms thing over this 4th of July thing was amazingly over the top and way too much TDS-related vitriol. In the end, the most political thing out of all of this was the criticism of Trump, not anything that he actually did or said yesterday. IMO, if people aren't careful, they're going to TDS Trump right into a second term. Outrage 24/7 is not a viable political strategy.

[89Hen]

IMO, if people aren't careful, they're going to TDS Trump right into a second term. Outrage 24/7 is not a viable political strategy.

[93henfan]

IMO, if people aren't careful, they're going to TDS Trump right into a second term. Outrage 24/7 is not a viable political strategy.

Not only that, but Democrats are already pummeling their most centrist and electable candidate a year before their convention.

Trump's biggest ally is the fringe left.

[GannonFan]

Not only that, but Democrats are already pummeling their most centrist and electable candidate a year before their convention.

Trump's biggest ally is the fringe left.

Heck, they've already found a way to make federally mandated school busing to be one of their party platforms next year. You could've won a lot of money betting on that obscure topic would come back up in the 2020 elections.

[Pwns]

Donald Trump’s “Salute to America” Was Not a Complete Authoritarian Nightmare

Can't comprehend that liberals impute these complex and Machiavellian motives for a guy that likely has a fifth-grade understanding of history and autocracies.

[93henfan]

Not only that, but Democrats are already pummeling their most centrist and electable candidate a year before their convention.

Trump's biggest ally is the fringe left.

Heck, they've already found a way to make federally mandated school busing to be one of their party platforms next year. You could've won a lot of money betting on that obscure topic would come back up in the 2020 elections.

No doubt, and after Harris ambushed Biden on it (a policy which he opposed and which everyone eventually opposed in areas where it was implemented to disastrous results), she is tap dancing to explain why she supports it. These SJWs are incapable of thinking two steps ahead. They never get past step 1: white man evil.

[89Hen]

(a policy which he opposed and which everyone eventually opposed in areas where it was implemented to disastrous results)

Having grown up in Biden territory and directly impacted by bussing, I have to agree. It was a stupid policy. Instead of being able to walk to my local school I had to get up an hour earlier so I could wait for a bus to take me and all my white friends from our suburbs to a school in the city where I was surrounded by other white kids from other suburbs.

[93henfan]

(a policy which he opposed and which everyone eventually opposed in areas where it was implemented to disastrous results)

Having grown up in Biden territory and directly impacted by bussing, I have to agree. It was a stupid policy. Instead of being able to walk to my local school I had to get up an hour earlier so I could wait for a bus to take me and all my white friends from our suburbs to a school in the city where I was surrounded by other white kids from other suburbs.

While the hood rats were sent to Newark and Hockessin.

I student taught most of my assignments in Christina SD. The primary placement was at Bayard in downtown Wilmington. Busing was a complete and utter disaster. Nobody liked it, black or white. Why in the world would you ever want to take kids out of their area for school?

[89Hen]

Having grown up in Biden territory and directly impacted by bussing, I have to agree. It was a stupid policy. Instead of being able to walk to my local school I had to get up an hour earlier so I could wait for a bus to take me and all my white friends from our suburbs to a school in the city where I was surrounded by other white kids from other suburbs.

While the hood rats were sent to Newark and Hockessin.

I student taught most of my assignments in Christina SD. The primary placement was at Bayard in downtown Wilmington. Busing was a complete and utter disaster. Nobody liked it, black or white. Why in the world would you ever want to take kids out of their area for school?

Yup. I was lucky enough to be first picked up in the morning and last dropped off in the afternoon. My grade school was walking distance to my house. Bussing added two hours to every school day for me for a year. Fortunately I was able to stay at my local JHS and HS.

[GannonFan]

While the hood rats were sent to Newark and Hockessin.

I student taught most of my assignments in Christina SD. The primary placement was at Bayard in downtown Wilmington. Busing was a complete and utter disaster. Nobody liked it, black or white. Why in the world would you ever want to take kids out of their area for school?

Yup. I was lucky enough to be first picked up in the morning and last dropped off in the afternoon. My grade school was walking distance to my house. Bussing added two hours to every school day for me for a year. Fortunately I was able to stay at my local JHS and HS.

My family was one of the ones that left Delaware, partly because of this. We were in the Christina SD and would've been bussed in to Bayard starting in 4th grade. My older brother ended up enrolling at St. Edmund's rather than doing that (ironically, my parents recall a spaghetti dinner at St. Edmund's where they sat at the same table as Joe Biden - his kids were going to St. Edmund's at the time - and they always remarked that he was/is a genuinely nice guy) and I would've done the same as well. My dad had taken a job years ago in PA that was a fairly long commute, so it just made sense to move into PA and be closer to his job. Both my parents were public school educators/administration for their whole lives and constantly tout public education. They still weren't cool with busing us into the city, though, for elementary school.

I understand the rationale, you want schools to be integrated and we did and do have an issue with self-segregation when it comes to where people live and where they go to school. But at the same time, there are vastly better ways to deal with this, especially non-federal level ways to do it, that don't involve kids at the elementary level adding two hours of transportation to their school days and breaking up the community aspect of elementary schools. Better planning at the local level in terms of variety of housing to accommodate higher and lower levels of income is probably the best way to do it. Couple that with again local planning to make sure to zone well enough to entice businesses to set up shop and provide a range of jobs in the area is part of that too. It's not perfect, but I don't think a perfect solution exists.

[JohnStOnge]

The Buffoonery is STRONG in this one.

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[JohnStOnge]

Fracking should get a lot of credit. It's the emergence of the US being a net producer of natural gas that has coincided with this extended run of prosperity. It's amazing how much smoother things go when you don't have a third-world cartel constantly in charge of disrupting the energy markets. And we're where we are in spite of Obama doing everything he could to cut off fracking before it got too big to cut off. Trump's positive is that he's certainly not getting in the way of domestic fuel production. I'm not saying it's everything, but it's a good chunk of the reason why we're in this extended phase of prosperity.

Absolutely.

No matter how much JSO wants to boil it down to simple statistics, the economy is complicated and impacted by a yuge number of short and long-term factors - oil and gas production being bigly.

Can you make a legitimate argument that Trump has just continued the positive Obama economy? Yes.
Can you make an argument that it's a major accomplishment for Trump that the economy has maintained its positive trend despite the headwinds? Yes.
Can you say that some of the headwinds were self inflicted? Yes, tariffs being a prime example.

Whether by design or dumb-luck, the economy has continued to steam ahead under Trump.

The statistics tell us what the bottom line is. The situation. Cause and effect leading to the situation is a different question. I have for years taken the position that it's a mistake to vote based on the economy because it's a very complex situation with a multitude of factors. I've argued that one can't say there's a direct cause and effect between who is President and what the economy is doing.

My position is not to try to argue cause and effect. It is simply to counter the argument that the economy is good because of Trump. It was good before Trump. Before one can even speculate about cause and effect one has to be able to show something "significant" happened. And nothing "significant" has happened. Again: If someone woke up from a Rip Van Winkle nap and looked at graphs showing trends in all the economic indicators people look at over the past 10 or 20 years they would not see anything to indicate a significant change in the way the economy was going around the end of 2016 or the beginning of 2017. They'd see that something significant happened around 2008 and 2009 and that the economy has been in recovery since then.

I'm not the one arguing cause and effect. The people who are claiming there was some kind of turnaround or change caused by Trump are doing that.

[kalm]

Yup. I was lucky enough to be first picked up in the morning and last dropped off in the afternoon. My grade school was walking distance to my house. Bussing added two hours to every school day for me for a year. Fortunately I was able to stay at my local JHS and HS.

My family was one of the ones that left Delaware, partly because of this. We were in the Christina SD and would've been bussed in to Bayard starting in 4th grade. My older brother ended up enrolling at St. Edmund's rather than doing that (ironically, my parents recall a spaghetti dinner at St. Edmund's where they sat at the same table as Joe Biden - his kids were going to St. Edmund's at the time - and they always remarked that he was/is a genuinely nice guy) and I would've done the same as well. My dad had taken a job years ago in PA that was a fairly long commute, so it just made sense to move into PA and be closer to his job. Both my parents were public school educators/administration for their whole lives and constantly tout public education. They still weren't cool with busing us into the city, though, for elementary school.

I understand the rationale, you want schools to be integrated and we did and do have an issue with self-segregation when it comes to where people live and where they go to school. But at the same time, there are vastly better ways to deal with this, especially non-federal level ways to do it, that don't involve kids at the elementary level adding two hours of transportation to their school days and breaking up the community aspect of elementary schools. Better planning at the local level in terms of variety of housing to accommodate higher and lower levels of income is probably the best way to do it. Couple that with again local planning to make sure to zone well enough to entice businesses to set up shop and provide a range of jobs in the area is part of that too. It's not perfect, but I don't think a perfect solution exists.

I’m glad Cheney didn’t have this back in the day. It would have been lonely for the 3 black kids on that big bus all by themselves not to mention the waste of resources bussing them an extra mile or two.

[CID1990]

So how was the Red Square military parade and partisan campaign speech?


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I don't get the cognitive disconnect on this. Trump goes to France, France mind you, two years ago and is there for their Bastille Day parade, which has a fair amount of military involvement and displays. As Trump leaves France, again France, he comments to Macron, who at that time was still the rising face of the EU prior to all the yellow jacket people, that he wants to copy France, again France, and have a similar parade in DC. Yet all we hear from critics of Trump is that he wants to copy NK or Russia and be a dictator in the mold of Putin and the NK guy because he wanted some military hardware at the parade. Apparently France is easily confused with communist dictatorships.

I get that Trump is a buffoon and left to his own devices he could make some really serious mistakes, but I thought the whole up in arms thing over this 4th of July thing was amazingly over the top and way too much TDS-related vitriol. In the end, the most political thing out of all of this was the criticism of Trump, not anything that he actually did or said yesterday. IMO, if people aren't careful, they're going to TDS Trump right into a second term. Outrage 24/7 is not a viable political strategy.

Frankly, Ganny, I don’t know why you are overthinking this

We were supposed to be at war with the Norks

We were supposed to be in Afghanistan forever (no... wait... that was Sir John McCain of the Navy Blue Garter)

The economy was supposed to be crashing (it will again, one day..)

We were supposed to be suffering under an autocracy (we have been for 50 years)

Don’t try to think too much, Ganny

Someone might get triggered and accuse you of dancing backwards


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[CAA Flagship]

The statistics tell us what the bottom line is. The situation. Cause and effect leading to the situation is a different question. I have for years taken the position that it's a mistake to vote based on the economy because it's a very complex situation with a multitude of factors. I've argued that one can't say there's a direct cause and effect between who is President and what the economy is doing.

My position is not to try to argue cause and effect. It is simply to counter the argument that the economy is good because of Trump. It was good before Trump. Before one can even speculate about cause and effect one has to be able to show something "significant" happened. And nothing "significant" has happened. Again: If someone woke up from a Rip Van Winkle nap and looked at graphs showing trends in all the economic indicators people look at over the past 10 or 20 years they would not see anything to indicate a significant change in the way the economy was going around the end of 2016 or the beginning of 2017. They'd see that something significant happened around 2008 and 2009 and that the economy has been in recovery since then.

I'm not the one arguing cause and effect. The people who are claiming there was some kind of turnaround or change caused by Trump are doing that.

Thanks.

[93henfan]

The Buffoonery is STRONG in this one.

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Best comment on the video:

"The revolutionary army was also the first to use cyber warfare. Not many people know that."

And not to make excuses for Trump, but it's clear there that he has no fucking clue what a "rampart" is. So I think in his mind as it's scrolling up the teleprompter, he's thinking "that's clearly a typo; they have to mean airport there". He even says something like "amport" quietly at first, then "rampart", then clearly has a fuck it moment and goes hard to "airport".

[89Hen]

And not to make excuses for Trump, but it's clear there that he has no fucking clue what a "rampart" is.

It's that thing from that song. Duh.

[93henfan]

And not to make excuses for Trump, but it's clear there that he has no fucking clue what a "rampart" is.

It's that thing from that song. Duh.

Wilmington has a lot of rampart:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Delaware/dupli ... ilmington/

[Chizzang]

Best comment on the video:

"The revolutionary army was also the first to use cyber warfare. Not many people know that."

And not to make excuses for Trump, but it's clear there that he has no fucking clue what a "rampart" is. So I think in his mind as it's scrolling up the teleprompter, he's thinking "that's clearly a typo; they have to mean airport there". He even says something like "amport" quietly at first, then "rampart", then clearly has a fuck it moment and goes hard to "airport".

You'd have to have "read a book" at some point to know these types of things...
To be fair he's spent the last 40 years running his businesses into the ground and hosting a game show
and defrauding people out of their money with a fake University



he's been busy with more important things

[Ibanez]

How are our brand new Sherman tanks?


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[CID1990]

How are our brand new Sherman tanks?


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I wonder if they did have some Sherman tanks there or not..

I love the early models - they had cast hulls instead of rolled armor, and the motor was Pratt & Whitney radial airplane engine

Just climbing in one of those things was an act of heroism


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[JohnStOnge]

Best comment on the video:

"The revolutionary army was also the first to use cyber warfare. Not many people know that."

And not to make excuses for Trump, but it's clear there that he has no **** clue what a "rampart" is. So I think in his mind as it's scrolling up the teleprompter, he's thinking "that's clearly a typo; they have to mean airport there". He even says something like "amport" quietly at first, then "rampart", then clearly has a **** it moment and goes hard to "airport".

You'd have to have "read a book" at some point to know these types of things...
To be fair he's spent the last 40 years running his businesses into the ground and hosting a game show
and defrauding people out of their money with a fake University



he's been busy with more important things

And don't forget stiffing contractors, scamming investors, and taking out loans while planning to default on them.

[kalm]

Best comment on the video:

"The revolutionary army was also the first to use cyber warfare. Not many people know that."

And not to make excuses for Trump, but it's clear there that he has no fucking clue what a "rampart" is. So I think in his mind as it's scrolling up the teleprompter, he's thinking "that's clearly a typo; they have to mean airport there". He even says something like "amport" quietly at first, then "rampart", then clearly has a fuck it moment and goes hard to "airport".

You'd have to have "read a book" at some point to know these types of things...
To be fair he's spent the last 40 years running his businesses into the ground and hosting a game show
and defrauding people out of their money with a fake University



he's been busy with more important things

Who gets to explain to him the mistake, and what’s his reaction?