2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

[CID1990]

Holy cow

I almost want Warren to win this thing just to hear progs and JSO defend her trade policies

https://reason.com/2019/07/29/warrens-t ... -rhetoric/


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Whether I agree with her trade policies or not, having her as President would be better than having Trump as President.

Oh you’ll defend them the moment anyone compares her to Trump... that one’s in the bank already

The scads of text you already have here condemning Trump’s trade policies will be a goddamn platinum mine


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[Chizzang]

Holy cow

I almost want Warren to win this thing just to hear progs and JSO defend her trade policies

https://reason.com/2019/07/29/warrens-t ... -rhetoric/

I guess it'll be like looking in the mirror for you then, right..?
Because you've been polishing Trumps shoes for 2 years now

[kalm]

Holy cow

I almost want Warren to win this thing just to hear progs and JSO defend her trade policies

https://reason.com/2019/07/29/warrens-t ... -rhetoric/


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Trade is one area where libertarians are slightly irrational.

[CID1990]

Holy cow

I almost want Warren to win this thing just to hear progs and JSO defend her trade policies

https://reason.com/2019/07/29/warrens-t ... -rhetoric/


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Trade is one area where libertarians are slightly irrational.

Are you suggesting hers is a libertarian trade policy?


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[CID1990]

Holy cow

I almost want Warren to win this thing just to hear progs and JSO defend her trade policies

https://reason.com/2019/07/29/warrens-t ... -rhetoric/

I guess it'll be like looking in the mirror for you then, right..?
Because you've been polishing Trumps shoes for 2 years now

I agree with what Trump is doing on trade - I think we established that a while ago

With you as my Greek chorus, btw

“Only Trump could try this”


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[kalm]

Trade is one area where libertarians are slightly irrational.

Are you suggesting hers is a libertarian trade policy?


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I’ll have to look closer but on the surface, leveraging our markets and natural resources to benefit domestic jobs is a libertarian move. Tough to admit though because “progressivism”.

[CID1990]

Are you suggesting hers is a libertarian trade policy?


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I’ll have to look closer but on the surface, leveraging our markets and natural resources to benefit domestic jobs is a libertarian move. Tough to admit though because “progressivism”.

You might want to take that closer look sooner rather than later -

Trump/Warren trade policy is protectionist

In other words, the opposite of libertarian trade desires


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[Pwns]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... DWtXr3IaX4

Senator Spartacus is dousing himself with gasoline.

[kalm]

I’ll have to look closer but on the surface, leveraging our markets and natural resources to benefit domestic jobs is a libertarian move. Tough to admit though because “progressivism”.

You might want to take that closer look sooner rather than later -

Trump/Warren trade policy is protectionist

In other words, the opposite of libertarian trade desires


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That’s my point. Libertarians lazer focus on and get duped by “free”. Didn’t classical liberalism (Adam Smith) suggest that each nation use their unique position and strengths to advantage?

[css75]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... DWtXr3IaX4

Senator Spartacus is dousing himself with gasoline.

I think he just emptied the can with that. He poured most of it when he had his Spartacus moment.


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[Ivytalk]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... DWtXr3IaX4

Senator Spartacus is dousing himself with gasoline.

He sort of looks like a Tibetan monk, now that you mention it.

[Ivytalk]

Hee hee

Literally every Dem candidate including Biden has come out in defense of Al Sharpton after Troll Trump tweeted about him


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Kamala Edwards said she’d make Tawana Brawley her Chief of Staff.

[CID1990]

You might want to take that closer look sooner rather than later -

Trump/Warren trade policy is protectionist

In other words, the opposite of libertarian trade desires


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That’s my point. Libertarians lazer focus on and get duped by “free”. Didn’t classical liberalism (Adam Smith) suggest that each nation use their unique position and strengths to advantage?

Are you backpedaling?

I shouldn’t have to quote you from just one post ago, but you did say that leveraging markets and resources to benefit domestic jobs is what libertarians espouse.

They do not.

But apparently Warren and Trump do (interesting)


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[kalm]

That’s my point. Libertarians lazer focus on and get duped by “free”. Didn’t classical liberalism (Adam Smith) suggest that each nation use their unique position and strengths to advantage?

Are you backpedaling?

I shouldn’t have to quote you from just one post ago, but you did say that leveraging markets and resources to benefit domestic jobs is what libertarians espouse.

They do not.

But apparently Warren and Trump do (interesting)


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Going back a few posts before that, I also suggested libertarians are a little confused when it comes to free trade. Free trade agreements may support open markets on a regional or global scale on the surface. This benefits multinationals and in certain instances countries trying to enter a market. But it can do so at other nation's expense when it comes to self determination and autonomy.

[UNI88]

Are you backpedaling?

I shouldn’t have to quote you from just one post ago, but you did say that leveraging markets and resources to benefit domestic jobs is what libertarians espouse.

They do not.

But apparently Warren and Trump do (interesting)


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Going back a few posts before that, I also suggested libertarians are a little confused when it comes to free trade. Free trade agreements may support open markets on a regional or global scale on the surface. This benefits multinationals and in certain instances countries trying to enter a market. But it can do so at other nation's expense when it comes to self determination and autonomy.

You might disagree with them but libertarians aren't confused. They have their philosophy and stick to it. There can be a gray area in how to respond to countries that don't practice free trade in return (China for example) but true libertarians oppose government intervention. That's why I'm a small L libertarian.

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[AZGrizFan]

Going back a few posts before that, I also suggested libertarians are a little confused when it comes to free trade. Free trade agreements may support open markets on a regional or global scale on the surface. This benefits multinationals and in certain instances countries trying to enter a market. But it can do so at other nation's expense when it comes to self determination and autonomy.

You might disagree with them but libertarians aren't confused. They have their philosophy and stick to it. There can be a gray area in how to respond to countries that don't practice free trade in return (China for example) but true libertarians oppose government intervention. That's why I'm a small L libertarian.

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klammy is the one who's confused. While I oppose government intervention in general (and in a perfect world), I do NOT oppose leveraging government's power against OTHER countries who abuse the free trade principle. Especially when we hold the cards, but for years have refused to use them.

[BDKJMU]

Hee hee

Literally every Dem candidate including Biden has come out in defense of Al Sharpton after Troll Trump tweeted about him


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Kamala Edwards said she’d make Tawana Brawley her Chief of Staff.

With an office in Hymietown..

[kalm]

You might disagree with them but libertarians aren't confused. They have their philosophy and stick to it. There can be a gray area in how to respond to countries that don't practice free trade in return (China for example) but true libertarians oppose government intervention. That's why I'm a small L libertarian.

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klammy is the one who's confused. While I oppose government intervention in general (and in a perfect world), I do NOT oppose leveraging government's power against OTHER countries who abuse the free trade principle. Especially when we hold the cards, but for years have refused to use them.

If by confused, you mean realistic...ok and you just proved my point. I agree with libertarianism to a point as well but government is a necessary evil when it comes to trade pacts. I don't think trade agreements that largely benefit the few at the expense of a nation's natural resources and ability to produce their own goods exactly leads to more freedom.

[AZGrizFan]

klammy is the one who's confused. While I oppose government intervention in general (and in a perfect world), I do NOT oppose leveraging government's power against OTHER countries who abuse the free trade principle. Especially when we hold the cards, but for years have refused to use them.

If by confused, you mean realistic...ok and you just proved my point. I agree with libertarianism to a point as well but government is a necessary evil when it comes to trade pacts. I don't think trade agreements that largely benefit the few at the expense of a nation's natural resources and ability to produce their own goods exactly leads to more freedom.

I see where the problem lies....

[UNI88]

If by confused, you mean realistic...ok and you just proved my point. I agree with libertarianism to a point as well but government is a necessary evil when it comes to trade pacts.

True libertarianism might be fine in a perfect world where everyone practiced free trade. We don't live in a perfect world so government intervention is a necessary evil. The question isn't if, it's how much?

I don't think trade agreements that largely benefit the few at the expense of a nation's natural resources and ability to produce their own goods exactly leads to more freedom.

Examples? Too many people tend to get caught up in the damage that trade agreements do to existing industries and jobs and overlook the new opportunities that they bring. The world is changing and we should be looking at how to take advantage of tomorrow's industries, jobs & opportunities not trying to protect yesterday's and today's.

[CID1990]

Are you backpedaling?

I shouldn’t have to quote you from just one post ago, but you did say that leveraging markets and resources to benefit domestic jobs is what libertarians espouse.

They do not.

But apparently Warren and Trump do (interesting)


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Going back a few posts before that, I also suggested libertarians are a little confused when it comes to free trade. Free trade agreements may support open markets on a regional or global scale on the surface. This benefits multinationals and in certain instances countries trying to enter a market. But it can do so at other nation's expense when it comes to self determination and autonomy.

So you’re backpedaling.

Unless it’s Opposite Day

Is it Opposite Day?


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[kalm]

Going back a few posts before that, I also suggested libertarians are a little confused when it comes to free trade. Free trade agreements may support open markets on a regional or global scale on the surface. This benefits multinationals and in certain instances countries trying to enter a market. But it can do so at other nation's expense when it comes to self determination and autonomy.

So you’re backpedaling.

Unless it’s Opposite Day

Is it Opposite Day?


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Nope. It’s kalm is annoyingly consistent and open minded/CID as Captain Gotcha...Day!

24/7/365

[Chizzang]

I guess it'll be like looking in the mirror for you then, right..?
Because you've been polishing Trumps shoes for 2 years now

I agree with what Trump is doing on trade - I think we established that a while ago

With you as my Greek chorus, btw

“Only Trump could try this”

The advantages of having him as President are real...
He can get away with sh!t that nobody could pull off

the problems of having him as president are also real
we can never come back from this

I know more than our commanding officers on the ground in Syria
Global Warming is a Chinese hoax
I was at ground zero on 9/11
Nobody knows more about taxes than me
No one knows more about construction
Nobody knows more about drones
Nobody knows more about technology
Nobody knows more about infrastructure
I know the H1-B, I know the H2-B, nobody knows it better than me
I know more about ISIS than the generals
I understand things, I comprehend very well. Better than I think, almost anybody
Nobody knows more about Environmental Impact statements
I understand the power of facebook better than anybody
I know more about renewables than anyone on Earth
Nobody knows more about polls than me
I know more about courts than any human being on Earth
I know more about steel workers than anyone whose ever run for office
I know more about golf than Obama knows
Nobody knows more about banks than I do
Nobody knows more about trade than me
I know more about nuclear weapons than he'll ever know
I understand the tax laws better than almost anyone
Who knows more about lawsuits than I do!? I'm the king
I know more about offense and defense than they will ever understand
Nobody even understands it but me, it's called devaluation
I understand money better than anybody
I understand the system better than anybody
Nobody knows more about debt than I do
Nobody knows the game better than me
I know more about contributions than anybody
Who knows more about the word "apprentice", than Donald Trump?
I understand politicians better than anyone
Nobody knows politicians better than me
Who knows the other side better than me
I think I know more about the other side than almost anybody
And I understand the other side, perhaps I understand it better than anybody else

[89Hen]

I know more than our commanding officers on the ground in Syria
Global Warming is a Chinese hoax
I was at ground zero on 9/11
Nobody knows more about taxes than me
No one knows more about construction
Nobody knows more about drones
Nobody knows more about technology
Nobody knows more about infrastructure
I know the H1-B, I know the H2-B, nobody knows it better than me
I know more about ISIS than the generals
I understand things, I comprehend very well. Better than I think, almost anybody
Nobody knows more about Environmental Impact statements
I understand the power of facebook better than anybody
I know more about renewables than anyone on Earth
Nobody knows more about polls than me
I know more about courts than any human being on Earth
I know more about steel workers than anyone whose ever run for office
I know more about golf than Obama knows
Nobody knows more about banks than I do
Nobody knows more about trade than me
I know more about nuclear weapons than he'll ever know
I understand the tax laws better than almost anyone
Who knows more about lawsuits than I do!? I'm the king
I know more about offense and defense than they will ever understand
Nobody even understands it but me, it's called devaluation
I understand money better than anybody
I understand the system better than anybody
Nobody knows more about debt than I do
Nobody knows the game better than me
I know more about contributions than anybody
Who knows more about the word "apprentice", than Donald Trump?
I understand politicians better than anyone
Nobody knows politicians better than me
Who knows the other side better than me
I think I know more about the other side than almost anybody
And I understand the other side, perhaps I understand it better than anybody else

Sounds like the guy you want leading the country.

[Chizzang]

I know more than our commanding officers on the ground in Syria
Global Warming is a Chinese hoax
I was at ground zero on 9/11
Nobody knows more about taxes than me
No one knows more about construction
Nobody knows more about drones
Nobody knows more about technology
Nobody knows more about infrastructure
I know the H1-B, I know the H2-B, nobody knows it better than me
I know more about ISIS than the generals
I understand things, I comprehend very well. Better than I think, almost anybody
Nobody knows more about Environmental Impact statements
I understand the power of facebook better than anybody
I know more about renewables than anyone on Earth
Nobody knows more about polls than me
I know more about courts than any human being on Earth
I know more about steel workers than anyone whose ever run for office
I know more about golf than Obama knows
Nobody knows more about banks than I do
Nobody knows more about trade than me
I know more about nuclear weapons than he'll ever know
I understand the tax laws better than almost anyone
Who knows more about lawsuits than I do!? I'm the king
I know more about offense and defense than they will ever understand
Nobody even understands it but me, it's called devaluation
I understand money better than anybody
I understand the system better than anybody
Nobody knows more about debt than I do
Nobody knows the game better than me
I know more about contributions than anybody
Who knows more about the word "apprentice", than Donald Trump?
I understand politicians better than anyone
Nobody knows politicians better than me
Who knows the other side better than me
I think I know more about the other side than almost anybody
And I understand the other side, perhaps I understand it better than anybody else

Sounds like the guy you want leading the country.