Uh, not to be a killjoy here, but did you just reference a drunk driving bus accident that happened in 1988? And if you did, weren't there plenty of things that changed after that accident, especially in Kentucky? They lowered the intoxication limit, allowed prosecutors to use past DUI's on repeat offenders, made ignition locks tied to breathylizer tests for some convicted. Some would say, those are "common sense" DUI laws.Baldy wrote:That is the $64,000 question that the Beto-lovers will never answer.Gil Dobie wrote:What did millions of American's do that their right to own guns should be taken away, because 297 people act out their violence and kill 1219 people. Over 10,000 drunk driving deaths per year, and it's illegal to drive drunk and people still drive drunk and still kill people.
Why guns?
A psycho walks into a school in Parkland, FL and kills 17 kids. CNN has a town hall about the gun 'problem'.
A drunk driver crashes into a bus in Carrollton, KY and kills 24 children. Silence.
What's the difference?
That's a good start, Ganny.GannonFan wrote:Uh, not to be a killjoy here, but did you just reference a drunk driving bus accident that happened in 1988? And if you did, weren't there plenty of things that changed after that accident, especially in Kentucky? They lowered the intoxication limit, allowed prosecutors to use past DUI's on repeat offenders, made ignition locks tied to breathylizer tests for some convicted. Some would say, those are "common sense" DUI laws.Baldy wrote: That is the $64,000 question that the Beto-lovers will never answer.
Why guns?
A psycho walks into a school in Parkland, FL and kills 17 kids. CNN has a town hall about the gun 'problem'.
A drunk driver crashes into a bus in Carrollton, KY and kills 24 children. Silence.
What's the difference?
https://www.whas11.com/article/news/loc ... e9a6768217
Drunk driving is not the analogy you want to make. Drunk driving related fatalities have plummeted since they started cracking down on it ~30 years ago.Baldy wrote:That's a good start, Ganny.GannonFan wrote:
Uh, not to be a killjoy here, but did you just reference a drunk driving bus accident that happened in 1988? And if you did, weren't there plenty of things that changed after that accident, especially in Kentucky? They lowered the intoxication limit, allowed prosecutors to use past DUI's on repeat offenders, made ignition locks tied to breathylizer tests for some convicted. Some would say, those are "common sense" DUI laws.
https://www.whas11.com/article/news/loc ... e9a6768217
Were there discussions about banning certain types of alcohol, background checks, or waiting periods? Federally licensed alcohol dealers?
There are over 22,000 "common sense" gun laws on the books. How many are there for alcohol?
Not to mention all the health related issues with alcohol, addiction, etc.
Alcohol's negative effects on society are exponentially greater than guns, yet there is virtually no discussion.
Well, you need to be 21 or older to drink (older than to buy a gun), alcohol is regulated by the FDA I believe, so there are regulations on how it's made, where it's made, etc. Lots of places have last calls (you can't buy beer at a baseball game after the 7th inning, NFL football I think it's the start of the 4th quarter, etc), bars can be legally held responsible if they give beer to someone who should be redflagged (i.e. they look like they are already drunk). As for the health related issues, alcoholism and the negative effects of alcohol are routinely reported on by health journals, and there is federal and private money devoted to the study of alcoholism and how to minimize it. There are laws and regulations all over the place regarding alcohol. Heck, we wouldn't have an ATF without alcohol.Baldy wrote:That's a good start, Ganny.GannonFan wrote:
Uh, not to be a killjoy here, but did you just reference a drunk driving bus accident that happened in 1988? And if you did, weren't there plenty of things that changed after that accident, especially in Kentucky? They lowered the intoxication limit, allowed prosecutors to use past DUI's on repeat offenders, made ignition locks tied to breathylizer tests for some convicted. Some would say, those are "common sense" DUI laws.
https://www.whas11.com/article/news/loc ... e9a6768217
Were there discussions about banning certain types of alcohol, background checks, or waiting periods? Federally licensed alcohol dealers?
There are over 22,000 "common sense" gun laws on the books. How many are there for alcohol?
Not to mention all the health related issues with alcohol, addiction, etc.
Alcohol's negative effects on society are exponentially greater than guns, yet there is virtually no discussion.
Drunk driving isn't *the* analogy I'm trying to make. It's just one of countless possible analogies.Skjellyfetti wrote:Drunk driving is not the analogy you want to make. Drunk driving related fatalities have plummeted since they started cracking down on it ~30 years ago.Baldy wrote: That's a good start, Ganny.
Were there discussions about banning certain types of alcohol, background checks, or waiting periods? Federally licensed alcohol dealers?
There are over 22,000 "common sense" gun laws on the books. How many are there for alcohol?
Not to mention all the health related issues with alcohol, addiction, etc.
Alcohol's negative effects on society are exponentially greater than guns, yet there is virtually no discussion.
All of that is mostly true, but you are missing the point here. Alcohol related deaths exponentially dwarf gun related deaths. Alcohol is far more harmful and destructive to society than guns could ever be, but we have politicians and pundits alike actively trying to disarm society because guns are sooooo dangerous.GannonFan wrote:Well, you need to be 21 or older to drink (older than to buy a gun), alcohol is regulated by the FDA I believe, so there are regulations on how it's made, where it's made, etc. Lots of places have last calls (you can't buy beer at a baseball game after the 7th inning, NFL football I think it's the start of the 4th quarter, etc), bars can be legally held responsible if they give beer to someone who should be redflagged (i.e. they look like they are already drunk). As for the health related issues, alcoholism and the negative effects of alcohol are routinely reported on by health journals, and there is federal and private money devoted to the study of alcoholism and how to minimize it. There are laws and regulations all over the place regarding alcohol. Heck, we wouldn't have an ATF without alcohol.Baldy wrote: That's a good start, Ganny.
Were there discussions about banning certain types of alcohol, background checks, or waiting periods? Federally licensed alcohol dealers?
There are over 22,000 "common sense" gun laws on the books. How many are there for alcohol?
Not to mention all the health related issues with alcohol, addiction, etc.
Alcohol's negative effects on society are exponentially greater than guns, yet there is virtually no discussion.
Take your best shot, queen.mainejeff2 wrote:You've hitched your pony to a loser, Baldy!Baldy wrote: All of that is mostly true, but you are missing the point here. Alcohol related deaths exponentially dwarf gun related deaths. Alcohol is far more harmful and destructive to society than guns could ever be, but we have politicians and pundits alike actively trying to disarm society because guns are sooooo dangerous.
Why?
Cleets reading Advanced Quantum Mechanics.Chizzang wrote:This ^ is actually pretty damned fascinating
Both sides have valid strong points
I change my mind to whoever posts last - which is the sign of a great debate
Gentlemen, please continue
The funny thing is...Ivytalk wrote:Cleets reading Advanced Quantum Mechanics.Chizzang wrote:This ^ is actually pretty damned fascinating
Both sides have valid strong points
I change my mind to whoever posts last - which is the sign of a great debate
Gentlemen, please continue
Boning up for next Big Tech thread?
where's JSO when you need him ?The absence of objective reality was empirically proven to me in my Research Methods class in grad school, and I’ve never even taken quantum mechanics!Chizzang wrote:The funny thing is...Ivytalk wrote: Cleets reading Advanced Quantum Mechanics.
Boning up for next Big Tech thread?
there is no such thing as "advanced" quantum mechanics
The implication that there would be advanced applications is subjective
and Quantum Mechanics proves there is no such thing as objective reality
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/6130 ... e-reality/
Peems wrote:Not sure where you guys are getting your numbers but in 2017, according to the CDChttps://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm more people died from firearm deaths than in all motor vehicle deaths combined, not just drunk driving.
Drunk driving is only a tiny portion of alcohol related deaths.Baldy wrote:Alcohol related deaths exponentially dwarf gun related deaths.
https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htmDrinking too much can harm your health. Excessive alcohol use led to approximately 88,000 deaths and 2.5 million years of potential life lost (YPLL) each year in the United States from 2006 – 2010, shortening the lives of those who died by an average of 30 years.
mainejeff2 wrote:You are hopeless, tard.Baldy wrote:
Drunk driving is only a tiny portion of alcohol related deaths.
https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htm
What say you, geoff?
