Impeachment Poll

[Ibanez]

Boy you guys are spooging all over the place now


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Speculation is fun!

Ivy gets it!


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[JohnStOnge]

Pee on butt.

But, it doesn't matter, he won't be convicted. Impeachment will hopefully help speed subpoenas through the court and give House Committees a stronger case.

A stronger case that Biden and his son were involved in influence peddling while Biden was the sitting VPOTUS?

No. That stuff about Biden and his son is nonsense. There is no "there" there at all with that stuff. Biden simply relayed the position of the United States as well as the other Western democracies. His son was not under investigation. That whole thing is just one more indication of how bad it's gotten on the conservative side with the misinformation and nonsense.

[BDKJMU]

A stronger case that Biden and his son were involved in influence peddling while Biden was the sitting VPOTUS?

No. That stuff about Biden and his son is nonsense. There is no "there" there at all with that stuff. Biden simply relayed the position of the United States as well as the other Western democracies. His son was not under investigation. That whole thing is just one more indication of how bad it's gotten on the conservative side with the misinformation and nonsense.

Biden’s son worked for the company that was under criminal investigation.
Biden as VP leaned on Ukraine to have the prosecutor fired.
The prosecutor was fired..

Yeah, nothing to see here..
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house ... is-revived

[JohnStOnge]

No. That stuff about Biden and his son is nonsense. There is no "there" there at all with that stuff. Biden simply relayed the position of the United States as well as the other Western democracies. His son was not under investigation. That whole thing is just one more indication of how bad it's gotten on the conservative side with the misinformation and nonsense.

Biden’s son worked for the company that was under criminal investigation.
Biden as VP leaned on Ukraine to have the prosecutor fired.
The prosecutor was fired..

Yeah, nothing to see here..

Mykola Zlochevsky, the person who owned the company Hunter Biden worked for, was under investigation. Hunter Biden was never under investigation. Ukraine officials have said that Hunter Biden did not violate any Ukrainian laws.

This crap is nonsense. All Biden did was express the position of the United States government.

[BDKJMU]

Biden’s son worked for the company that was under criminal investigation.
Biden as VP leaned on Ukraine to have the prosecutor fired.
The prosecutor was fired..

Yeah, nothing to see here..

Mykola Zlochevsky, the person who owned the company Hunter Biden worked for, was under investigation. Hunter Biden was never under investigation. Ukraine officials have said that Hunter Biden did not violate any Ukrainian laws.

This crap is nonsense. All Biden did was express the position of the United States government.

Your son works for a company.
That company is under criminal investigation.
You take steps to have the lead prosecutor fired.

That is at best a conflict of interest, and at worst criminal.

[css75]

The "Trump Resigns" option will never happen... he'd rather die that relinquish control

I don't know, he might want to resign. Resigning gives Pence the option to pardon him so he can live his life overseas in relative freedom. There's probably others tied to Trump who are in self-preservation mode right now, and might be advising him to do it so they can get pardons as well.

If he wants to gamble on 2020 and loses, he'll definitely be arrested (and likely convicted).

Trip, you are going to look foolish when absolutely nothing comes of this rabbit hole Dems went down. Nothing substantiated and whistleblower is a Dem operative, wait and see.


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[kalm]

I don't know, he might want to resign. Resigning gives Pence the option to pardon him so he can live his life overseas in relative freedom. There's probably others tied to Trump who are in self-preservation mode right now, and might be advising him to do it so they can get pardons as well.

If he wants to gamble on 2020 and loses, he'll definitely be arrested (and likely convicted).

Trip, you are going to look foolish when absolutely nothing comes of this rabbit hole Dems went down. Nothing substantiated and whistleblower is a Dem operative, wait and see.


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You might want to read up on some news.

[css75]

Trip, you are going to look foolish when absolutely nothing comes of this rabbit hole Dems went down. Nothing substantiated and whistleblower is a Dem operative, wait and see.


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You might want to read up on some news.

I have there is no there there as of now.


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[CitadelGrad]

A stronger case that Biden and his son were involved in influence peddling while Biden was the sitting VPOTUS?

No. That stuff about Biden and his son is nonsense. There is no "there" there at all with that stuff. Biden simply relayed the position of the United States as well as the other Western democracies. His son was not under investigation. That whole thing is just one more indication of how bad it's gotten on the conservative side with the misinformation and nonsense.

So, he was just relaying the position of the United States government. Gosh, I thought that's what ambassadors were for. But then again, ambassadors aren't paid as much as Hunter Biden was paid.

[Skjellyfetti]

So, he was just relaying the position of the United States government. Gosh, I thought that's what ambassadors were for.

Oh, I thought that was what your personal attorney is for.

[CitadelGrad]

So, he was just relaying the position of the United States government. Gosh, I thought that's what ambassadors were for.

Oh, I thought that was what your personal attorney is for.

How much do you think Trump's personal attorney is being paid for sitting on a BoD in an industry in which he has no experience or connections?

[BDKJMU]

I don't know, he might want to resign. Resigning gives Pence the option to pardon him so he can live his life overseas in relative freedom. There's probably others tied to Trump who are in self-preservation mode right now, and might be advising him to do it so they can get pardons as well.

If he wants to gamble on 2020 and loses, he'll definitely be arrested (and likely convicted).

Trip, you are going to look foolish when absolutely nothing comes of this rabbit hole Dems went down. Nothing substantiated and whistleblower is a Dem operative, wait and see.


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The guy isn’t even a whistleblower. He’s a leaker who took 2nd hand, hearsay evidence, right after the intel communities secretly eliminated the requirement that whistleblowers provide direct, first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoings, and if he’s not an attorney, clearly didn’t write the complaint (you can tell its written by an attorney(s). This is noting more than a political assassination attempt.

[Skjellyfetti]

What did he leak? He reported it properly.

[css75]

The whole process here is eerily similar to the Steele Dossier fraud.


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[JohnStOnge]

Mykola Zlochevsky, the person who owned the company Hunter Biden worked for, was under investigation. Hunter Biden was never under investigation. Ukraine officials have said that Hunter Biden did not violate any Ukrainian laws.

This crap is nonsense. All Biden did was express the position of the United States government.

Your son works for a company.
That company is under criminal investigation.
You take steps to have the lead prosecutor fired.

That is at best a conflict of interest, and at worst criminal.

I think your response shows why Federal Civil service employees have to avoid any possible appearance of impropriety. But the position on the prosecutor was the position of the United States as well as of other Western Democracies. It may have been smart for the United States to have someone else say what Biden said. But it was the position of the United States.

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/09/trump ... d-ukraine/

Of course I know how it goes. Factcheck.org is an extremely credible source. But it tends not to tell Trump supporters what they want to hear so they dismiss it as the "liberal media." They remain in their echo chamber. Doesn't matter how much evidence somebody provides to show them that their position is a bunch of crap. They rationalize around it.

[JohnStOnge]

The whole process here is eerily similar to the Steele Dossier fraud.


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The Steele Dossier, to this day, has not been shown to be a fraud. The idea that it has been is another manifestation of the Trump supporter bullshit echo chamber.

[Ibanez]

Trip, you are going to look foolish when absolutely nothing comes of this rabbit hole Dems went down. Nothing substantiated and whistleblower is a Dem operative, wait and see.


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The guy isn’t even a whistleblower. He’s a leaker who took 2nd hand, hearsay evidence, right after the intel communities secretly eliminated the requirement that whistleblowers provide direct, first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoings, and if he’s not an attorney, clearly didn’t write the complaint (you can tell its written by an attorney(s). This is noting more than a political assassination attempt.

I see you got the Hannity/Rush talking points memorized...


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[BDKJMU]

The whole process here is eerily similar to the Steele Dossier fraud.


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The Steele Dossier, to this day, has not been shown to be a fraud. The idea that it has been is another manifestation of the Trump supporter bullshit echo chamber.

The Steele dossier to this day hasn’t been shown to be true. It has been shown to be filled with mostly unproven, unsubstantiated claims.

[AZGrizFan]

The guy isn’t even a whistleblower. He’s a leaker who took 2nd hand, hearsay evidence, right after the intel communities secretly eliminated the requirement that whistleblowers provide direct, first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoings, and if he’s not an attorney, clearly didn’t write the complaint (you can tell its written by an attorney(s). This is noting more than a political assassination attempt.

I see you got the Hannity/Rush talking points memorized...


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Is any of that untrue?

* 2nd hand evidence
* Intel changed the whistleblower requirement in August
* Complaint looks like it was written by an attorney

Yes?
No?
Maybe?

[css75]

The guy isn’t even a whistleblower. He’s a leaker who took 2nd hand, hearsay evidence, right after the intel communities secretly eliminated the requirement that whistleblowers provide direct, first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoings, and if he’s not an attorney, clearly didn’t write the complaint (you can tell its written by an attorney(s). This is noting more than a political assassination attempt.

I see you got the Hannity/Rush talking points memorized...


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Over the past few years Hannity and Rush have been proven to be more accurate than MSNBC, CNN and other MSM.


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[houndawg]

I find it really hard to see the Democrats actually going through with the impeachment. There's zero chance of conviction at this point, unless something else comes out. There's not a smoking gun yet that will turn the Senate to vote to convict. The speed at which the administration is responding to things surely makes it looks like they want all of this to happen, and I don't doubt that Trump has been thinking impeachment is his best campaign tool for 2020. But for this poll, the only two viable options are impeach or nothing - I think Pelosi won't be able to hold back her herd, so I say impeach.

I think he'll be impeached, its their duty. If enough comes out that a few Republicans go soft on him I think he'd resign in order to keep his pension and SS protection, which he's going to need when he leaves office.

I'm still trying to decide which is the more stupid behavior:

Shaking down a foreign leader when you know your conversation is being monitored by an agency who hates your guts with white-hot passion OR

Bringing in Rudy G as the "fixer".

[houndawg]

I see you got the Hannity/Rush talking points memorized...


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Over the past few years Hannity and Rush have been proven to be more accurate than MSNBC, CNN and other MSM.


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You gotta send me some of what you're smoking.

[houndawg]

I find it really hard to see the Democrats actually going through with the impeachment. There's zero chance of conviction at this point, unless something else comes out. There's not a smoking gun yet that will turn the Senate to vote to convict. The speed at which the administration is responding to things surely makes it looks like they want all of this to happen, and I don't doubt that Trump has been thinking impeachment is his best campaign tool for 2020. But for this poll, the only two viable options are impeach or nothing - I think Pelosi won't be able to hold back her herd, so I say impeach.

I’m not 100% sure that this is a sound strategy by the Trump campaign if that’s what this is.

The political damage to the majority party might be a function of the President being a sympathetic character, which Trump is not. If the impeachment charges are frivolous in nature, then that is what will sour voters like it did with Clinton. But Trump is a frivolous President. I don’t think swing voters are going to be swayed by a frivolous impeachment if that’s how it turns out.

In fact I wonder if there is any such thing as a swing voter in the age of Trump.

Hell, maybe that’s the strategy.... fire up the base and get them all to the polls

Maybe last time, but this time not so much. It does cause a lot of stress though. While the guy is a buffoon and a danger to the planet from his ignorance, and hopefully spends the rest of his life in jail after leaving office, the way he is pissing on the leg of folk like the FBI and SCOTUS is wonderful to behold. Putting Comey in the cell next to Trump would make it more time-efficient for Hillary to schedule visits.

One thing that suggests that the rats are maneuvering for position on the lines was Donald's comment that maybe while they're investigating conversations maybe they should investigate a few conversations that Mike Pence had with Ukranian officials .

lmao.... you don't like me now? Just wait - if Trump takes Pence down with him and my prediction, made here, long ago, about Pelosi being the first female President hits.....

[AZGrizFan]

I find it really hard to see the Democrats actually going through with the impeachment. There's zero chance of conviction at this point, unless something else comes out. There's not a smoking gun yet that will turn the Senate to vote to convict. The speed at which the administration is responding to things surely makes it looks like they want all of this to happen, and I don't doubt that Trump has been thinking impeachment is his best campaign tool for 2020. But for this poll, the only two viable options are impeach or nothing - I think Pelosi won't be able to hold back her herd, so I say impeach.

I think he'll be impeached, its their duty. If enough comes out that a few Republicans go soft on him I think he'd resign in order to keep his pension and SS protection, which he's going to need when he leaves office.

I'm still trying to decide which is the more stupid behavior:

Shaking down a foreign leader when you know your conversation is being monitored by an agency who hates your guts with white-hot passion OR

Bringing in Rudy G as the "fixer".

Did you have a problem when VP Biden did worse?

[kalm]

I think he'll be impeached, its their duty. If enough comes out that a few Republicans go soft on him I think he'd resign in order to keep his pension and SS protection, which he's going to need when he leaves office.

I'm still trying to decide which is the more stupid behavior:

Shaking down a foreign leader when you know your conversation is being monitored by an agency who hates your guts with white-hot passion OR

Bringing in Rudy G as the "fixer".

Did you have a problem when VP Biden did worse?

All corruption is wrong.