Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

[SeattleGriz]

Why does your Prime Mover not do anything about the 25,000 suffering and dying children per day?

Because you have reading comprehension problems or have skipped ahead
How would only cause and effect do anything more than explain perfectly what's happening now..?



"only cause and effect" to launch the big bang... the rest is statistics and evolution
No curing grandmas cancer or getting Tammy a job at the factory

What's the Prime Mover in all that?

[Chizzang]

Because you have reading comprehension problems or have skipped ahead
How would only cause and effect do anything more than explain perfectly what's happening now..?



"only cause and effect" to launch the big bang... the rest is statistics and evolution
No curing grandmas cancer or getting Tammy a job at the factory

What's the Prime Mover in all that?

How could I know..?
Faith alone I guess - I cannot understand the concept of "before the big bang"
Therefore I'm totally cool with The Prime Mover as an explanation



no more no less than that...

[css75]

The Prime Mover gave us free will which is great but does have some downsides.

I might even step it back one farther than that
The prime mover didn't give us anything - evolution is our creator
The Prime Mover created the Universe using only cause and effect

Then where does Jesus come in? He is the prime mover.


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[CID1990]

I’m just checking in...

have we proven God’s existence yet?


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[Chizzang]

I’m just checking in...

have we proven God’s existence yet?

[Ivytalk]

I’m just checking in...

have we proven God’s existence yet?

Just when we’re on the brink of getting Cleets to admit the existence of a Supreme Being, he drags out the garlic crucifix of a Sam Harris meme!

[UNI88]

I’m just checking in...

have we proven God’s existence yet?

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Yep. UK Kate makes it move for 93 and me so she is the prime mover.

[Chizzang]

Just when we’re on the brink of getting Cleets to admit the existence of a Supreme Being, he drags out the garlic crucifix of a Sam Harris meme!

Everybody knows that pays any attention... Atheists have a far more convincing argument
I don't completely agree with it but its always a great starting point for a conversation about religion
and god

“I know of no society in human history that ever suffered because its people became too desirous of evidence in support of their core beliefs.”

[css75]

So what role. Does Jesus play?


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[Ibanez]

So what role. Does Jesus play?


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Best Supporting Actor in a Drama Series


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[Winterborn]

Ex-Paralympic cyclist who 'climbed on top of a British Airways plane and glued himself to it' during Extinction Rebellion protests denies causing a public nuisance.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... otest.html

[Chizzang]

So what role. Does Jesus play?

I'll tell you what... why don't you answer your own question
So we can get to the stuff you're interested in

What role does Jesus play..?

[css75]

So what role. Does Jesus play?

I'll tell you what... why don't you answer your own question
So we can get to the stuff you're interested in

What role does Jesus play..?

He was God coming to earth to die for sin to redeem all humans.

The Nicene creed sums it up well

Creed

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

Who, for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.

And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come.


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[Chizzang]

I'll tell you what... why don't you answer your own question
So we can get to the stuff you're interested in

What role does Jesus play..?

He was God coming to earth to die for sin to redeem all humans.

The Nicene creed sums it up well

Creed

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

Who, for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.

And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come.

Why do you believe all that..?

[∞∞∞]

He was God coming to earth to die for sin to redeem all humans.

The Nicene creed sums it up well

Creed

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

Who, for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.

And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come.

Why do you believe all that..?

Can you imagine if you knew nothing about Abrahamic religions and someone started talking to you about an all-powerful and judgy monster, zombies, and some alien world after you die?

[CID1990]

I'll tell you what... why don't you answer your own question
So we can get to the stuff you're interested in

What role does Jesus play..?

He was God coming to earth to die for sin to redeem all humans.

The Nicene creed sums it up well

Creed

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

Who, for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.

And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come.


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Well damn

what more evidence do you need?

Hell I’m surprised Reek isn’t a Calvinist


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[Chizzang]

[css75]

He was God coming to earth to die for sin to redeem all humans.

The Nicene creed sums it up well

Creed

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

Who, for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.

And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come.

Why do you believe all that..?

It is true, now your turn, who is Jesus of Nazareth?


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[Chizzang]

Why do you believe all that..?

It is true, now your turn, who is Jesus of Nazareth?

Jesus was a guy...
who's life was greatly exaggerated buy another guy named Paul
Paul never met Jesus but he created the "Jesus brand"
I look at Paul as the first PR man

Jesus was super cool
I dig his vibe
but Paul made him a rock star for all time

[Winterborn]

The good news is that everybody in the end finds out how accurate their particular beliefs are.

The bad news is that you cannot do anything more about it if you are wrong.

[CID1990]

The good news is that everybody in the end finds out how accurate their particular beliefs are.

The bad news is that you cannot do anything more about it if you are wrong.

I wouldn’t call hedging my bets “faith”


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[Chizzang]

The good news is that everybody in the end finds out how accurate their particular beliefs are.

The bad news is that you cannot do anything more about it if you are wrong.

The idea that the creator of the universe is petulant and vindictive... you know, the one they say loves us
Is such an absurd case of cognitive dissonance it's hard to even put into words

[Ibanez]

I'll tell you what... why don't you answer your own question
So we can get to the stuff you're interested in

What role does Jesus play..?

He was God coming to earth to die for sin to redeem all humans.

The Nicene creed sums it up well

Creed

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

Who, for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.

And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come.


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He came to save us from himself. Got it


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[Ivytalk]

It looks like css chose the old “Latin Rite” version of the Nicene Creed. My church uses a first-person-plural, “inclusive” version. But the crux of it is the same. It incorporates the Trinitarian view of Christianity with a Father-Son-Holy Spirit structure. It’s a work of theological genius, really, considering that it dates from the Fourth Century A.D.

[∞∞∞]

The good news is that everybody in the end finds out how accurate their particular beliefs are.

The bad news is that you cannot do anything more about it if you are wrong.

This statement makes no sense 'cause the first sentence applies to all beliefs while the second applies exclusively to Christianity (and Islam). And even within Christianity, Catholics believe in purgatory.

If any of the many other beliefs are accurate, you've got a few shots.