RIP White Christian America

[SeattleGriz]

So you can be a total fucking asshole prick your entire life and all is well as long as you profess to Jesus? What a bunch of shit. To me, Christianity should be based on the teachings of Jesus, which was a lesson in how to live. The parts of the bible that are worthwhile are the words directly attributed to Jesus. Much wisdom there. The Christianity you speak of is contrived and man made.

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This was one of my earliest turnoffs with Christianity -

All the un-Christianlike Christians


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un-Christianlike Christians are what happens when salvation is attainable for everyone, not just those that pass a purity test.

[andy7171]

Just give up now SG. Please God stop digging the hole.


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[SeattleGriz]

Just give up now SG. Please God stop digging the hole.


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Hey, it's just the facts. Hardly digging a hole.

[Ivytalk]

This was one of my earliest turnoffs with Christianity -

All the un-Christianlike Christians


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un-Christianlike Christians are what happens when salvation is attainable for everyone, not just those that pass a purity test.

Wait. What?

If you want to be an opinion leader in this forum, rule #1 is “make sense.”

[SeattleGriz]

un-Christianlike Christians are what happens when salvation is attainable for everyone, not just those that pass a purity test.

Wait. What?

If you want to be an opinion leader in this forum, rule #1 is “make sense.”

Salvation is available to everyone regardless of how they lived their lives. If a "test" was required, then you would have a whole lot less people qualifying.

I don't remember Jesus telling the thief on the cross next to him, that he wouldn't make the cut.

[Ivytalk]

Wait. What?

If you want to be an opinion leader in this forum, rule #1 is “make sense.”

Salvation is available to everyone regardless of how they lived their lives. If a "test" was required, then you would have a whole lot less people qualifying.

I don't remember Jesus telling the thief on the cross next to him, that he wouldn't make the cut.

That is understandable. The previous post was not.

Anyway, my FIL always said that my MIL, who claims to be an atheist, is the most Christian person he knows.

[CID1990]

This was one of my earliest turnoffs with Christianity -

All the un-Christianlike Christians


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un-Christianlike Christians are what happens when salvation is attainable for everyone, not just those that pass a purity test.

Yeah well don’t be surprised when people look at Christianity as the fucking Chuck E Cheese of religion then


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[houndawg]

Yes, but I would hope the minimum would be accepting that Jesus atoned for your sins. That's a really important part! Lol

So you can be a total fucking asshole prick your entire life and all is well as long as you profess to Jesus? What a bunch of shit. To me, Christianity should be based on the teachings of Jesus, which was a lesson in how to live. The parts of the bible that are worthwhile are the words directly attributed to Jesus. Much wisdom there. The Christianity you speak of is contrived and man made.

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Every single word attributed to Jesus is hearsay. So is Jesus.

[UNI88]

So you can be a total fucking asshole prick your entire life and all is well as long as you profess to Jesus? What a bunch of shit. To me, Christianity should be based on the teachings of Jesus, which was a lesson in how to live. The parts of the bible that are worthwhile are the words directly attributed to Jesus. Much wisdom there. The Christianity you speak of is contrived and man made.

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This was one of my earliest turnoffs with Christianity -

All the un-Christianlike Christians


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Me too.

SG, have you really accepted Jesus if you only follow his teachings one day a week? I would argue that you're a hypocrite and God will see through that bullsh!t when your time comes.

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[SeattleGriz]

This was one of my earliest turnoffs with Christianity -

All the un-Christianlike Christians


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Me too.

SG, have you really accepted Jesus if you only follow his teachings one day a week? I would argue that you're a hypocrite and God will see through that bullsh!t when your time comes.

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I haven't said anything about how I, or anyone else should follow Jesus, but it makes sense that you would try to be as decent as possible.

This whole discussion started when Cleets said that in America, many people were able to simply say they were Christian. I agreed, but said that I hoped the bar would be at least to accept Jesus in order to call yourself a Christian.

According to the Bible, no man or woman can by themselves, meet the 600+ laws that God requires you to keep, in order to be in His presence. Only Jesus was able to fulfill all those laws and then gave everyone who wanted to accept Him a chance. If you don't want to accept Jesus, that is your right, but then you aren't Christian then either.

As to how I live? I'm pretty easy going, so that helps, but consistently look at myself and wonder if my actions are consistent with being a decent person. Often refer to myself as the worst of Christians because I realize how far I fall short each day. Daily I'm reminded that I couldn't meet the 600+ law standard and am grateful Jesus did it for me. So, as someone who is grateful, I try to do the right thing.

For example, I still have trouble with that internal monologue that screams out at the guy staring at the green light, three cars up, saying "go fucker!"

That's why I often jokingly say that the day I get that under control will be a big step for me in removing the board from my eye.

To your point though, where does God draw the line as to who gets in and who doesn't?

[Ivytalk]

600+ laws? I thought there were only 10.

If you were JSO, you would have listed them.

[kalm]

I was simply defining what would be needed at a minimum to call yourself a Christian.

How you carry yourself is a different discussion. I wasn't speaking to that.

Can we chat about the prosperity gospel next... Thats my favorite gospel

This guy will receive eternal salvation according to SG.

Creep factor 11, especially with the outburst at around the 3:20 mark.

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[CID1990]

You can be a cunt your whole life

Hell you can throw babies into ovens

But repent on your deathbed and its salvation!

Or, according to others, if you masturbate you’re going to hell

Christianity is the ultimate Burger King religion. At least the muslims stick to their guns on the koran and support killing your ass if you suggest it is anything other than the Word ... I guess as religions go I can respect that


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[Ivytalk]

When I was a snotnosed teenager, I remember getting into a debate with our minister at a church dinner about whether non-Christians could go to heaven. I took the affirmative case, based on the propositions that (1) each belief system had its own conception of the afterlife and what it took to get there, and (2) good “christian” people did not have to be Christian. The minister disagreed, focusing on a rebuttal of my second proposition. My view was in the minority that night, but I still think I’m right.

[SeattleGriz]

Can we chat about the prosperity gospel next... Thats my favorite gospel

This guy will receive eternal salvation according to SG.

Creep factor 11, especially with the outburst at around the 3:20 mark.

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So are you saying God should go back on His word and show a lack of grace?

[SeattleGriz]

When I was a snotnosed teenager, I remember getting into a debate with our minister at a church dinner about whether non-Christians could go to heaven. I took the affirmative case, based on the propositions that (1) each belief system had its own conception of the afterlife and what it took to get there, and (2) good “christian” people did not have to be Christian. The minister disagreed, focusing on a rebuttal of my second proposition. My view was in the minority that night, but I still think I’m right.

In regards to #1, that has always been one of my questions. If you never got a chance to hear about Jesus, how is it fair to be judged on whether you have accepted Him or not.

[kalm]

This guy will receive eternal salvation according to SG.

Creep factor 11, especially with the outburst at around the 3:20 mark.

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So are you saying God should go back on His word and show a lack of grace?

What’s graceful about letting that guy into heaven vs. a non-believer?

Did you watch the video?

[SeattleGriz]

So are you saying God should go back on His word and show a lack of grace?

What’s graceful about letting that guy into heaven vs. a non-believer?

Did you watch the video?

Because the rules of Christianity club say you must accept Jesus and believe he atoned for your sins. One has met the rules and the other hasn't.

Now with that being said, I can't comment on Copeland's "saved" status, but would point out when Jesus told those that while they claimed to be Christian ,"he did not know them". Meaning they said they were Christian, but weren't. If it makes you any more comfortable, my wife and I rolled our eyes over Copeland.

So how about answering my question?

Where do you draw the heaven threshold?

[kalm]

What’s graceful about letting that guy into heaven vs. a non-believer?

Did you watch the video?

Because the rules of Christianity club say you must accept Jesus and believe he atoned for your sins. One has met the rules and the other hasn't.

Now with that being said, I can't comment on Copeland's "saved" status, but would point out when Jesus told those that while they claimed to be Christian ,"he did not know them". Meaning they said they were Christian, but weren't. If it makes you any more comfortable, my wife and I rolled our eyes over Copeland.

So how about answering my question?

Where do you draw the heaven threshold?

That’s not graceful...at all.

Where do I draw the heaven line? I don’t know. Is there a heaven? I believe in good. If god is good then and there is a heaven above then I’m certain there’s no prior to arrival Jesus as savior acceptance required. It will be more like

Jesus: “I told ya”

Kalm: “yeah, I was wrong...you da man. Here’s the five bucks.”

Jesus: “that’s alright, happens all the time. come on in. Btw, there’s no gluten intolerance here so grab a Fullers ESB and a bowl of pasta.”

Kalm: “sweet!”

[SeattleGriz]

Because the rules of Christianity club say you must accept Jesus and believe he atoned for your sins. One has met the rules and the other hasn't.

Now with that being said, I can't comment on Copeland's "saved" status, but would point out when Jesus told those that while they claimed to be Christian ,"he did not know them". Meaning they said they were Christian, but weren't. If it makes you any more comfortable, my wife and I rolled our eyes over Copeland.

So how about answering my question?

Where do you draw the heaven threshold?

That’s not graceful...at all.

Where do I draw the heaven line? I don’t know. Is there a heaven? I believe in good. If god is good then and there is a heaven above then I’m certain there’s no prior to arrival Jesus as savior acceptance required. It will be more like

Jesus: “I told ya”

Kalm: “yeah, I was wrong...you da man. Here’s the five bucks.”

Jesus: “that’s alright, happens all the time. come on in. Btw, there’s no gluten intolerance here so grab a Fullers ESB and a bowl of pasta.”

Kalm: “sweet!”

Of course you and CID could just order the Whopper, but you would rather tell Burger King how to make a Big Mac. Lol.

[Ivytalk]

That’s not graceful...at all.

Where do I draw the heaven line? I don’t know. Is there a heaven? I believe in good. If god is good then and there is a heaven above then I’m certain there’s no prior to arrival Jesus as savior acceptance required. It will be more like

Jesus: “I told ya”

Kalm: “yeah, I was wrong...you da man. Here’s the five bucks.”

Jesus: “that’s alright, happens all the time. come on in. Btw, there’s no gluten intolerance here so grab a Fullers ESB and a bowl of pasta.”

Kalm: “sweet!”

Of course you and CID could just order the Whopper, but you would rather tell Burger King how to make a Big Mac. Lol.

Again, Rule #1.

[SeattleGriz]

Of course you and CID could just order the Whopper, but you would rather tell Burger King how to make a Big Mac. Lol.

Again, Rule #1.

Didn't know anyone was following this thread anymore!

CID called Christianity the Burger King of religions. I was saying they could easily order the Salvation Whopper, but instead, want Christianity to make something totally different.

Why won't they try the Whopper?

[Ivytalk]

Again, Rule #1.

Didn't know anyone was following this thread anymore!

CID called Christianity the Burger King of religions. I was saying they could easily order the Salvation Whopper, but instead, want Christianity to make something totally different.

Why won't they try the Whopper?

CID was invoking the “have it your way” analogy. Kind of subtle, but I get it. Joel Osteen types are this kind of Christian, as were the Robert Schuller types before him. Comfortable Christianity that helps people feel good by doing better economically, not by doing good to their fellow man. Their services are boosterish pep rallies, not spiritual awakenings.

[CID1990]

Again, Rule #1.

Didn't know anyone was following this thread anymore!

CID called Christianity the Burger King of religions. I was saying they could easily order the Salvation Whopper, but instead, want Christianity to make something totally different.

Why won't they try the Whopper?

Why shouldn’t I want that?

There are more denominations of Christianity than all the other world religions combined

Surely there must be a denomination somewhere that will allow me to disappear little boys into landfills and still get into heaven as long as I make nice and say I’m sorry?

Oh wait... that’s pretty much all of them


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[houndawg]

Again, Rule #1.

Didn't know anyone was following this thread anymore!

CID called Christianity the Burger King of religions. I was saying they could easily order the Salvation Whopper, but instead, want Christianity to make something totally different.

Why won't they try the Whopper?

You wouldn't need to ask if you've seen who is out there selling it.