NDSU vs. JMU National Championship Game Thread

[Gil Dobie]

Just looked up Kobe Johnson's High School track record. He took 2nd in Georgia for the 100 meters, and 9th in the 200. This time off over the holiday, should get him back to 100 percent. Once he gets in the open, he's tough to catch.

[JBB]

Johnson does have good speed as does the team as a whole but I imagine it’s just average for the JMU team. Lots of facilities, high paid coaches, special shoes probably on contract, indoor/outdoor practice fields you name it. They bought it, speed included.

The BISON do seem to have a coaching advantage with Matt Entz at the helm. Young, aggressive, king of the 2 point conversion and uses the fake punt. He has a killer instinct as does the team. Entz graduated from Wayne State an old D2 foe of the Herd and probably familiar to Cignetti from his long tenure in D2. Entz takes the game personally.

Cignetti is the old hand. Worked his way up to the big cushy JMU 10 million football budget, he is more of an administrator than a hands on “can-do” guy. A good coach, not great, can get you there sometimes but never gets the prize. It’s his first year at JMU but he’s no spring chicken. He’s another bubba Sweigert with more money to spend.

[SunCoastBlueHen]

Good Lord, didn't this game happen yet?

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[JBB]

Delaware fans and college football.


It is a long time between games but does give each team a chance to be at the top of their game at full strength.

It also provides a little cushion for travel plans

Nice for both.

[JBB]

Long time between games so I learned there is a Cignette jr and Sr.

Sr is coaching the Dukes. Jr played for him and was on the coaching staff at Indiana (PA) when they couldn’t get past the Bison in 1990.

Before that Cignette Sr was an assistant for the West Virginia Mountaineers and head football coach from 1976-1979. Between 1979 and IUP in 1986 he apparently took his first break from coaching.

He coached at Indiana(PA) until 2005 losing in the D2 Title game twice. He apparently took a second break from coaching until taking over the Dukes this season but the bio I read stopped at 2005, the end of his tenure at IUP.

[JBB]

Looking further because the gaps concerned me, I find Curt Cignette, another son of Frank Sr.

He is the son coaching the Dukes. His career included IUP too as head coach from 2011 - 2016. He went to Elon, turned them around a bit and on to the Dukes

Confusing history but NDSU is facing a legacy coach whose ancestors couldn’t get past The Bison. Curt is the guy trying to straighten that out for them.

What a football family. Ofer against the Herd.

[JBB]

Surprised to see the Cignette family history is front page Fargo Forum today. Curt hopes family history doesn’t repeat itself

https://www.inforum.com/bison-media-zon ... inst-Bison

might be blocked if you don’t subscribe. Hopefully, along with the other fake news papers it will be out of business soon. They will appreciate your click.

[JBB]

Interesting footnote for Delaware fans anxiously awaiting Saturday’s kick-off:

To a lot of players and fans it probably seems like a few years ago when North Dakota State descended on Frisco, Texas, for its first appearance in the NCAA Division I FCS national title game. The reality is that game against Sam Houston State was nine seasons ago, it was a tight game in which the Bison trailed in the second half and the play that may have kicked off the unprecedented run of championships came from an unexpected source.

A punter, of all players.

A fake punt from Matt Voigtlander was the springboard play in NDSU’s 17-6 win over Sam Houston State in the 2011 Football Championship Subdivision title game. The Bison will be gunning for their eighth crown in nine years on Jan. 11 when they face James Madison at Toyota Stadium.

https://www.inforum.com/bison-media-zon ... -in-Frisco

[JBB]

Looking further into the subject of Bison treachery we find In 2003 The Bison used a fake FG to beat the Montana Grizzlies at Washington Grizz. This is among the greatest football games ever played by what was the best NDSU D2 football team in a long history of great Bison teams. They also ran a reverse for a score.

It was win #1 of the current NDSU Bison Dynasty.

Bison trailed 24-2 at the half but, they are second half team winning 25-24. Highlights below. About 5:09 is the fake FG

It was a game of firsts with brand new head coach Craig Bohl and brand new color guy Phil Hansen, one of the best. I’ve met him a couple times and we always had a fun conversation. Glad he is still involved with Bison football. Nobody knows it better than Phil.

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[UNI88]

Looking further because the gaps concerned me, I find Curt Cignette, another son of Frank Sr.

He is the son coaching the Dukes. His career included IUP too as head coach from 2011 - 2016. He went to Elon, turned them around a bit and on to the Dukes

Confusing history but NDSU is facing a legacy coach whose ancestors couldn’t get past The Bison. Curt is the guy trying to straighten that out for them.

What a football family. Ofer against the Herd.

Good to see you figure that out after the protracted conversation with yourself. I was worried that your common core education had let you down.

Didn't know the Cignetti's were 0fer against Marshall. How often have they played them?

[Gil Dobie]

[JBB]

Looking further because the gaps concerned me, I find Curt Cignette, another son of Frank Sr.

He is the son coaching the Dukes. His career included IUP too as head coach from 2011 - 2016. He went to Elon, turned them around a bit and on to the Dukes

Confusing history but NDSU is facing a legacy coach whose ancestors couldn’t get past The Bison. Curt is the guy trying to straighten that out for them.

What a football family. Ofer against the Herd.

Good to see you figure that out after the protracted conversation with yourself. I was worried that your common core education had let you down.

Didn't know the Cignetti's were 0fer against Marshall. How often have they played them?

common core education is about the worst insult a person like you could hurl you know better than anyone how worthless and destructive it is. It is preventing you from seeing clearly.

Marshall? I would ask you to figure that out for yourself but ....

“It’s quite the story in Fargo Karen. “

From my position as a fan beating the Ofer Cignettis is like beating UNI. You respect them but can’t help but feel a little pity that they find themselves in that position. It’s just unfortunate circumstances.

[UNI88]

Good to see you figure that out after the protracted conversation with yourself. I was worried that your common core education had let you down.

Didn't know the Cignetti's were 0fer against Marshall. How often have they played them?

common core education is about the worst insult a person like you could hurl you know better than anyone how worthless and destructive it is. It is preventing you from seeing clearly.

Marshall? I would ask you to figure that out for yourself but ....

“It’s quite the story in Fargo Karen. “

Who is Karen? Is that your transexual alter ego?

[JBB]

Bet you picked JMU? Asking for a friend dude.

[JBB]

Who is Karen? Is that your transexual alter ego?

Trolling? Try the UNI women’s track team.

Interesting point being made: A win for JMU is ranking up there with the biggest wins in JMU history. Not so much for NDSU. A Bison win would probably be in the top 10 for NDSU.

Must be tongue and cheek or it’s obvious JMU has NDSU envy about as bad as UND.

https://jmusportsnews.com/2020/01/06/du ... han-ndsus/

[JBB]

Looked to SAGARIN for more insight.

W VA was the highest ranked team either team played. JMU lost 20-13. They have been added for comparison. Under the a Golden mean and predictor JMU is the under dog to W VA today. NDSU beats them both under all categories.

RANKING.

• NDSU. 36
  JMU. 50
  W VA. 55

RATING. NDSU by 3.79

• NDSU. 77.12
  JMU. 73.33
  W VA. 72.35

PREDICTOR. NDSU by 2.5

• NDSU. 74.47
  JMU. 71.97
  W VA. 72.27

GOLDEN MEAN. NDSU by 5.52

• NDSU. 77.03
  JMU. 71.51
  W VA. 72.66

RECENT. NDSU by 3.4

• NDSU. 79.67
  JMU. 76.27
  W VA. 71.67

[JBB]

Ticket prices are stabilizing from flashing ridiculously high last week. A good sideline seat is now under $150. Last week around $1,000. Corners and end zone near face. SRO goes on sale today.

The box office was sold out months ago. The tickets have been sold enough times now to eliminate the high premium buyers. The scalpers are now trying to move excess inventory.

The only way there will be empty seats is if the scalpers have overbought. Any empty seats will represent overstock costs for all the scalpers. There should be tickets in the lot for fair prices.

[JBB]

**********FOOTBALL ALERT**********

GAM MONTE-CARLO RESULTS:

Total Score

• NDSU BISON win by 10

Average Game Score

• NDSU BISON 24.4941 JMU. 23.3747

Win Percentage

• NDSU BISON. 66.67.
  JMU 33.37
  No ties

Largest Margin of Victory

• NDSU BISON 5.0629
  Score. NDSU 17.8215 - 12.7586
  JMU. 1.6482
  Score. JMU 21.5713 - 19.9221

Highest Score

• NDSU BISON 32.1193 - 31.0416

CONCLUSIONS

• Very close game
  NDSU BISON have an edge
  Take Bison to win
  Take Bison +points
  it’s unlikely Bison can cover 5
  Take the under total game: 51
  Take the under first half: 24.5

[Gil Dobie]

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[Gil Dobie]

NDSU is a young team compared to other teams, if you look at the entire roster and players that played this season. They are a young NDSU team too. I think you should do an entire team comparison with Phil Steele's formula.

NDSU isn't a young team compared to other teams if you look at the 2 deep.
The entire roster isn't relevant when its the 2 deep that plays almost all the snaps outside of garbage time.
Yeah I'm going to pull up the most recent game notes for 120+ teams, and scoring their 2 deep with Steele's formula would only take about 30+ hrs.

If this young Bison team doesn't win this year, they should have a good chance next year.

[UNI88]

NDSU isn't a young team compared to other teams if you look at the 2 deep.
The entire roster isn't relevant when its the 2 deep that plays almost all the snaps outside of garbage time.
Yeah I'm going to pull up the most recent game notes for 120+ teams, and scoring their 2 deep with Steele's formula would only take about 30+ hrs.

If this young Bison team doesn't win this year, they should have a good chance next year.

I think UNI has more coming back than NDSU.

[Gil Dobie]

If this young Bison team doesn't win this year, they should have a good chance next year.

I think UNI has more coming back than NDSU.

That's Quite possible.

[BDKJMU]

NDSU isn't a young team compared to other teams if you look at the 2 deep.
The entire roster isn't relevant when its the 2 deep that plays almost all the snaps outside of garbage time.
Yeah I'm going to pull up the most recent game notes for 120+ teams, and scoring their 2 deep with Steele's formula would only take about 30+ hrs.

The entire roster is relevant! NDSU plays more than 2 deep in every game.

No its not. Sure you play more than the 2 deep in blowouts, esp regular season home when you dress just about everyone. I counted about 108 on NDSU’s roster listed under their NC game notes. JMU is in the same ballpark.
-Only 64 are allowed to dress for the playoffs. That’s only about 2 1/2 strings + special teams.
-Sure at a couple positions you might use more than the 2 deep outside of garbage time (RB, TE, WR, maybe another) But even those positions the top 2 at each position will get the bulk of the snaps outside of garbage time. And other positions the 2 deep will be 100% of the snaps outside garbage time.

[BDKJMU]

NDSU isn't a young team compared to other teams if you look at the 2 deep.
The entire roster isn't relevant when its the 2 deep that plays almost all the snaps outside of garbage time.
Yeah I'm going to pull up the most recent game notes for 120+ teams, and scoring their 2 deep with Steele's formula would only take about 30+ hrs.

4 of the top 6 offensive performers are 2 Fr, 2 Soph
Top 2 receivers are Soph
Top 2 tacklers are Soph
2 of the top 4 rushers are Fr or Soph (over 500 yards)
Freshman QB
Int leader Soph
Total Offense 2 of 4 Fr or Soph (over 500 yards)
Top Scores 6 of 10 Fr or Soph (over 30 points)
Season High for for a single game 17 times by Fr & Soph, 6 by Jr & Sr

19 times a Fr or Soph lead NDSU Yards Rushing and/or Receiving out of 30 chances, 6 different players.

2 deep 44 player game notes (not including special teams):
-JMU 15 seniors/12 starters.
-NDSU 12 seniors/8 starters.
You want to see young?
-Weber St 2 deep vs JMU: 5 seniors/4 starters (a 6th Sr if you count a 3rd player listed at 1 of the DE positions).
-JMU (last year): 6 seniors/2 starters (8 seniors if you counted the 3rd RB and a 3rd player listed at 1 of the LB positions).

[BDKJMU]

Game notes
JMU:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/ ... s_NDSU.pdf
NDSU:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/ ... 200106.pdf