CFP championship game

[89Hen]

That's unfair. Have you heard me chastise anyone for weed?

My apologies Senator Sessions, you haven't. I confused your lectures on why weed shouldn't be legalized.

No problem, it seems most folks here try to insert things into my posts and position that simply aren't there. I've clearly spelled out my position the subject several times over the years. The posts and position get muddled because of statements like "your lectures on why weed shouldn't be legalized" when I've never said that.

[89Hen]

I asked you earlier, why is the FBS version not real?

Sorry. I've been offline for awhile.

The FBS "championship" isn't legit (IMO, of course) because it isn't a true playoff, which consists of auto-bids for each conference that CHOOSES to participate (i.e. no defining people out) and at-large bids, to a total of AT LEAST 16 teams. I'm not a fan of defining people out, and thereby defining out the potential upset. IMO, the P5/ND are running scared....

Adding Memphis, Florida Atlantic, Miami (OH) and App St to the playoffs makes them legit?

[SuperHornet]

FAU not so much. But App State, certainly. They have history....

[JohnStOnge]

FAU not so much. But App State, certainly. They have history....

I think that a top Division playoff should have an automatic bid for every top Division conference champ. So Appalachian State would have been included. However, I think there is very little chance Appalachian State would have been able to compete with their first round draw if it was a 16 team seeded tournament where 1 plays 16 and so on. If you use the CFP ranking Appalachian State would've been the 14 seed and would've opened the playoffs at Clemson.

Is it POSSIBLE they could've won such a matchup? Yes. But very, very unlikely. I think the most likely outcome would be a very easy blowout win for Clemson.

And yes I know Clemson struggled with North Carolina. Such things happen. But we all know the most likely outcome would be a Clemson cake walk and an Appalachian State win would be very unlikely.

And, yes, I remember that Appalachian State had a magical win as a FCS power over Michigan in 2007. Michigan was rated in the top 5 early in the season. But if losing to Appalachian State to open the season left any doubt about them starting off over rated that remaining doubt was erased when they lost by 39-7 to Oregon the next week.

The Wolverines did end up with a decent season at 9-4. But they ended as a borderline top 20 team. 18 and 19 in the two major polls and 21 in Sagarin. Not the same kind of thing as Clemson or any other team that entered the bowl season in the top 10 in the CFP was this year.

Odds are overwhelming that with a 16 team top Division playoff with seeding throughout Appalachian State would've been nothing but a tune up for one of the top teams.

[89Hen]

FAU not so much. But App State, certainly. They have history....

There's no fixing you Casey.

[AshevilleApp]

FAU not so much. But App State, certainly. They have history....

I think that a top Division playoff should have an automatic bid for every top Division conference champ. So Appalachian State would have been included. However, I think there is very little chance Appalachian State would have been able to compete with their first round draw if it was a 16 team seeded tournament where 1 plays 16 and so on. If you use the CFP ranking Appalachian State would've been the 14 seed and would've opened the playoffs at Clemson.

Is it POSSIBLE they could've won such a matchup? Yes. But very, very unlikely. I think the most likely outcome would be a very easy blowout win for Clemson.

And yes I know Clemson struggled with North Carolina. Such things happen. But we all know the most likely outcome would be a Clemson cake walk and an Appalachian State win would be very unlikely.

And, yes, I remember that Appalachian State had a magical win as a FCS power over Michigan in 2007. Michigan was rated in the top 5 early in the season. But if losing to Appalachian State to open the season left any doubt about them starting off over rated that remaining doubt was erased when they lost by 39-7 to Oregon the next week.

The Wolverines did end up with a decent season at 9-4. But they ended as a borderline top 20 team. 18 and 19 in the two major polls and 21 in Sagarin. Not the same kind of thing as Clemson or any other team that entered the bowl season in the top 10 in the CFP was this year.

Odds are overwhelming that with a 16 team top Division playoff with seeding throughout Appalachian State would've been nothing but a tune up for one of the top teams.

You are correct that it would likely be the outcome. I seem to remember that FCS use to seed 1-16 as well. (Maybe I'm wrong, if so I apologize.) And that led to some blowouts as well. Same with college basketball. But I don't see a big push to do away with those matchups in March and April. In fact, many people like the mid-majors in college hoops and root for them. Basically that is what App is in FBS, a mid-major. Never likely to win a championship, but sometimes able to pull off an upset or two. Not really a bad place to be.

[89Hen]

I think that a top Division playoff should have an automatic bid for every top Division conference champ.

This is what you would have had...

1 LSU
16 Miami (OH) (NR)

8 Wisconsin
9 Florida

5 Georgia
12 Memphis (17)

4 Oklahoma
13 Boise State (19)


2 Ohio State
15 Florida Atlantic (NR)

7 Baylor
10 Penn State

3 Clemson
14 Appalachian State (20)

6 Oregon
11 Utah

[UNI88]

I think that a top Division playoff should have an automatic bid for every top Division conference champ.

This is what you would have had...

1 LSU
16 Miami (OH) (NR)

8 Wisconsin
9 Florida

5 Georgia
12 Memphis (17)

4 Oklahoma
13 Boise State (19)

2 Ohio State
15 Florida Atlantic (NR)

7 Baylor
10 Penn State

3 Clemson
14 Appalachian State (20)

6 Oregon
11 Utah

What about this instead:

8 Memphis (17)
9 Boise State (19)
Winner plays 1 LSU

5 Georgia
12 Miami (OH) (NR)
Winner plays 4 Oklahoma

6 Oregon
11 Florida Atlantic (NR)
Winner plays 3 Clemson

7 Baylor
10 Appalachian State (20)
Winner plays 2 Ohio State

It's not an NCAA Tourney so 1/2 the field wouldn't need to be at-large.

[AshevilleApp]

This is what you would have had...

1 LSU
16 Miami (OH) (NR)

8 Wisconsin
9 Florida

5 Georgia
12 Memphis (17)

4 Oklahoma
13 Boise State (19)

2 Ohio State
15 Florida Atlantic (NR)

7 Baylor
10 Penn State

3 Clemson
14 Appalachian State (20)

6 Oregon
11 Utah

What about this instead:

8 Memphis (17)
9 Boise State (19)
Winner plays 1 LSU

5 Georgia
12 Miami (OH) (NR)
Winner plays 4 Oklahoma

6 Oregon
11 Florida Atlantic (NR)
Winner plays 3 Clemson

7 Baylor
10 Appalachian State (20)
Winner plays 2 Ohio State

It's not an NCAA Tourney so 1/2 the field wouldn't need to be at-large.

Either option would be a hell of a lot of fun.

[89Hen]

What about this instead:

8 Memphis (17)
9 Boise State (19)
Winner plays 1 LSU

5 Georgia
12 Miami (OH) (NR)
Winner plays 4 Oklahoma

6 Oregon
11 Florida Atlantic (NR)
Winner plays 3 Clemson

7 Baylor
10 Appalachian State (20)
Winner plays 2 Ohio State

It's not an NCAA Tourney so 1/2 the field wouldn't need to be at-large.

I cut off JSO's quote early, he did say a 16 team field.

This 12 team field... a definite PASS for me. It's already hard enough to swallow an unranked team in the field over a #12 Auburn... crank that up to a top 10 team. It's a no go for me.

[89Hen]

Either option would be a hell of a lot of fun.

Agreed, but I still prefer an 8 team field for I-A with no autos.

1 LSU
8 Wisconsin

4 Oklahoma
5 Georgia


2 Ohio State
7 Baylor

3 Clemson
6 Oregon

That looks good to me.

[UNI88]

Either option would be a hell of a lot of fun.

Agreed, but I still prefer an 8 team field for I-A with no autos.

1 LSU
8 Wisconsin

4 Oklahoma
5 Georgia

2 Ohio State
7 Baylor

3 Clemson
6 Oregon

That looks good to me.

An 8 team field is my preference as well but I would give the highest ranked G5 team a spot.

[SuperHornet]

FAU not so much. But App State, certainly. They have history....

I think that a top Division playoff should have an automatic bid for every top Division conference champ. So Appalachian State would have been included. However, I think there is very little chance Appalachian State would have been able to compete with their first round draw if it was a 16 team seeded tournament where 1 plays 16 and so on. If you use the CFP ranking Appalachian State would've been the 14 seed and would've opened the playoffs at Clemson.

Is it POSSIBLE they could've won such a matchup? Yes. But very, very unlikely. I think the most likely outcome would be a very easy blowout win for Clemson.

And yes I know Clemson struggled with North Carolina. Such things happen. But we all know the most likely outcome would be a Clemson cake walk and an Appalachian State win would be very unlikely.

And, yes, I remember that Appalachian State had a magical win as a FCS power over Michigan in 2007. Michigan was rated in the top 5 early in the season. But if losing to Appalachian State to open the season left any doubt about them starting off over rated that remaining doubt was erased when they lost by 39-7 to Oregon the next week.

The Wolverines did end up with a decent season at 9-4. But they ended as a borderline top 20 team. 18 and 19 in the two major polls and 21 in Sagarin. Not the same kind of thing as Clemson or any other team that entered the bowl season in the top 10 in the CFP was this year.

Odds are overwhelming that with a 16 team top Division playoff with seeding throughout Appalachian State would've been nothing but a tune up for one of the top teams.

Sure, it would have been tough. But App pulling it off would be MUCH more likely than FAU....

[GannonFan]

Agreed, but I still prefer an 8 team field for I-A with no autos.

1 LSU
8 Wisconsin

4 Oklahoma
5 Georgia

2 Ohio State
7 Baylor

3 Clemson
6 Oregon

That looks good to me.

An 8 team field is my preference as well but I would give the highest ranked G5 team a spot.

Even if that team is the #25 ranked team and barely in the polls? The FCS playoffs aren't better off with crappy games at the start of the playoffs - that opening round is a weak way to kick off the playoffs. Things don't really get interesting until the quarterfinals - that's where the games really get good.

[89Hen]

Agreed, but I still prefer an 8 team field for I-A with no autos.

1 LSU
8 Wisconsin

4 Oklahoma
5 Georgia

2 Ohio State
7 Baylor

3 Clemson
6 Oregon

That looks good to me.

An 8 team field is my preference as well but I would give the highest ranked G5 team a spot.

I think the NCAA/BCS would agree with you but Wisconsin > Memphis.

[JohnStOnge]

To me the thing is to get as close as you can to having each team control its own destiny so that polls, rankings, power ratings, opinions don't matter. The way to do that is to give every conference champ an automatic bid. That leaves the independents out and having to rely on getting an at large berth but I don't know what you can do about that.

Sure, it means you will have teams that left out that are obviously better than some teams that get in. Like there are lots of teams that wouldn't have gotten in under such a system that would've been better than Miami of Ohio this past year. But all those teams that were in a conference controlled their own destiny. If they'd have done what they needed to do to ensure being in (win their conference) they'd have been in.

There are 10 conferences in what we now call FBS so 10 auto bids and 6 at large berths. Six at large berths means the second team in each Power 5 conference could be in and there could be one more slot for somebody else. Like, say, Notre Dame.

[GannonFan]

I don't like watering down the playoffs just to make teams that aren't really worthy feel good about being included in the process. Right now, you get 4 good teams every year in the playoffs. I don't want to keep expanding it so we can eventually fit in some teams that don't belong. Eventually you get to where the FCS has gotten to and it's too bloated and a lot of early games don't matter.

[89Hen]

To me the thing is to get as close as you can to having each team control its own destiny so that polls, rankings, power ratings, opinions don't matter.

They control their own destiny now to some extent. Memphis played Ole Miss, Southern, South Alabama and UL Monroe OOC. Now, they can't control that Ole Miss sucked this year, but they played the 49th hardest schedule. Sorry.

[89Hen]

I don't like watering down the playoffs just to make teams that aren't really worthy feel good about being included in the process. Right now, you get 4 good teams every year in the playoffs. I don't want to keep expanding it so we can eventually fit in some teams that don't belong. Eventually you get to where the FCS has gotten to and it's too bloated and a lot of early games don't matter.

[89Hen]

Coach O in DC this morning for a recruiting trip to 89Jr's alma mater. He's after their QB, a Junior who is one of the highest ranked QB's in the country. My friend is the Asst AD and he said Coach O was awesome. Maryland's HC, Locksley, was there at the same time. He stole a local 5 star WR from LSU in December. Awkward.

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[UNI88]

To me the thing is to get as close as you can to having each team control its own destiny so that polls, rankings, power ratings, opinions don't matter.

They control their own destiny now to some extent. Memphis played Ole Miss, Southern, South Alabama and UL Monroe OOC. Now, they can't control that Ole Miss sucked this year, but they played the 49th hardest schedule. Sorry.

And it will end up being like basketball where a lot of P5 schools duck the better mid-majors (or G5 schools) and then talk out of the other side of their mouth to complain that they don't belong because they haven't played anyone.

Memphis' schedule might be what they want but it could also be what they could get because teams won't risk playing them. Do they control their own destiny if schools are afraid to play them?

Props to schools that have the balls to play Memphis, Boise St, Cincinnati, etc.

[89Hen]

They control their own destiny now to some extent. Memphis played Ole Miss, Southern, South Alabama and UL Monroe OOC. Now, they can't control that Ole Miss sucked this year, but they played the 49th hardest schedule. Sorry.

And it will end up being like basketball where a lot of P5 schools duck the better mid-majors (or G5 schools) and then talk out of the other side of their mouth to complain that they don't belong because they haven't played anyone.

Memphis' schedule might be what they want but it could also be what they could get because teams won't risk playing them. Do they control their own destiny if schools are afraid to play them?

Props to schools that have the balls to play Memphis, Boise St, Cincinnati, etc.

That could be true, but can also be a copout. It's doubtful that any big P5 is going to do a home and home with them, so Memphis may not like the alternative. They'll be stuck playing Ole Miss, Miss St, Purdue instead of Auburn, Georgia, Michigan....

Penn State 53 - Memphis 39 really hurts too.

[Gil Dobie]

Minnesota nearly and should have lost to South Dakota St and Georgia Southern, and took 2 OT's to beat Fresno St.
Went on to a New Years Bowl game and beat Auburn. Who'd of Thunk.

[Ivytalk]

Minnesota nearly and should have lost to South Dakota St and Georgia Southern, and took 2 OT's to beat Fresno St.
Went on to a New Years Bowl game and beat Auburn. Who'd of Thunk.

Exactly. I don’t see Minnesota becoming a perennial Big Ten power. They got lucky this year.

Hockey school.

[SuperHornet]

Coach O in DC this morning for a recruiting trip to 89Jr's alma mater. He's after their QB, a Junior who is one of the highest ranked QB's in the country. My friend is the Asst AD and he said Coach O was awesome. Maryland's HC, Locksley, was there at the same time. He stole a local 5 star WR from LSU in December. Awkward.

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Coach O:

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