Democracy

[93henfan]

Chizzwold is correct. Our system was well-intentioned. Human nature seems to be able to maintain such a system for about four score and seven years or so. They all hell starts to break loose.

[AZGrizFan]

That's right motherfucker...I just went from Percey Shelley to the Dice Man.

I win!

Well aren't you the hickory dickory dock of CS!

He's at the front of the line, and we're all standing fucking backwards!

[AZGrizFan]

Whatever, Trip.

Chizzy pointed out the flaws in our system more effectively than all of Trip's posts combined. Trip wants to transform our flawed system to one that historically hasn't worked. The better question is, how do we improve the system without changing who we are as a nation - a Republic Ruled by Law?

Here's a hint tho: Before "mega businesses", it wasn't all "pure as the driven snow politics". It's been a crooked, rigged game since right about the time GW was replaced by John Adams. The players have changed, but the game remains pretty much the same...

[Chizzang]

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[Chizzang]

Here's a hint tho: Before "mega businesses", it wasn't all "pure as the driven snow politics". It's been a crooked, rigged game since right about the time GW was replaced by John Adams. The players have changed, but the game remains pretty much the same...

My point was this:
In a Republic the biggest obstruction to corruption and general malfeasance is "The Rule of Law"
in short: Nobody is above the law in a properly functioning Republic

Mega Corps have devised a work around ^ to this problem
(That's all)

[kalm]

My point was this:
In a Republic the biggest obstruction to corruption and general malfeasance is "The Rule of Law"
in short: Nobody is above the law in a properly functioning Republic

Mega Corps have devised a work around ^ to this problem
(That's all)

So have presidents and many congressman. Hell even state and local governments find work arounds to their constitutions, codes, and ordinances at the expense of the “republic” and its citizens. Most of the time without consequences.

[kalm]

Well aren't you the hickory dickory dock of CS!

He's at the front of the line, and we're all standing fucking backwards!

You standing backwards is a very apt description.

[AZGrizFan]

He's at the front of the line, and we're all standing fucking backwards!

You standing backwards is a very apt description.

[AZGrizFan]

My point was this:
In a Republic the biggest obstruction to corruption and general malfeasance is "The Rule of Law"
in short: Nobody is above the law in a properly functioning Republic

Mega Corps have devised a work around ^ to this problem
(That's all)

And my point was that before megacorps had devised that workaround, it was someone else who'd devised that workaround.

[CID1990]

I would not eat green eggs and ham
I do not like them Sam I Am

Would you eat them in a box?
Would you eat them with a fox?

Would you use them for a stunt?

Would you shove them in your cunt?


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[kalm]

My point was this:
In a Republic the biggest obstruction to corruption and general malfeasance is "The Rule of Law"
in short: Nobody is above the law in a properly functioning Republic

Mega Corps have devised a work around ^ to this problem
(That's all)

And my point was that before megacorps had devised that workaround, it was someone else who'd devised that workaround.

And they were challenged by things like the Sherman Anti-Trust Act, or the New Deal, or the Revolutionary War.

[UNI88]

And my point was that before megacorps had devised that workaround, it was someone else who'd devised that workaround.

And they were challenged by things like the Sherman Anti-Trust Act, or the New Deal, or the Revolutionary War.

What's a greater threat to our Republic? The megacorps or the government itself?

[AZGrizFan]

And they were challenged by things like the Sherman Anti-Trust Act, or the New Deal, or the Revolutionary War.

What's a greater threat to our Republic? The megacorps or the government itself?

Yes. Exactly.

[Chizzang]

And they were challenged by things like the Sherman Anti-Trust Act, or the New Deal, or the Revolutionary War.

What's a greater threat to our Republic? The megacorps or the government itself?

in theory...
and according to Roman philosophy on political process one was fist a consul and then a Censor and after that service to the Republic you were appointed Senator after you had worked for the people

you were bound by dignity and honor to the people
So Mega Corps in theory are a greater threat to the Government
today I'd say it was 50/50

[kalm]

What's a greater threat to our Republic? The megacorps or the government itself?

in theory...
and according to Roman philosophy on political process one was fist a consul and then a Censor and after that service to the Republic you were appointed Senator after you had worked for the people

you were bound by dignity and honor to the people
So Mega Corps in theory are a greater threat to the Government
today I'd say it was 50/50

Agreed. Regardless, they’re similar in threat and in many instances, one in the same.

[houndawg]

Chizzy pointed out the flaws in our system more effectively than all of Trip's posts combined. Trip wants to transform our flawed system to one that historically hasn't worked. The better question is, how do we improve the system without changing who we are as a nation - a Republic Ruled by Law?

Here's a hint tho: Before "mega businesses", it wasn't all "pure as the driven snow politics". It's been a crooked, rigged game since right about the time GW was replaced by John Adams. The players have changed, but the game remains pretty much the same...

The game changed when Citizen's United made it official that government is for sale to the highest bidder.

[Ivytalk]

“America when will you be angelic?
When will you take off your clothes?
When will you look at yourself through the grave?
When will you be worthy of your million Trotskyites?
America why are your libraries full of tears?
America when will you send your eggs to India?
I’m sick of your insane demands.”

I just felt the need to quote Allen Ginsberg.

[houndawg]

And they were challenged by things like the Sherman Anti-Trust Act, or the New Deal, or the Revolutionary War.

What's a greater threat to our Republic? The megacorps or the government itself?

Obviously the megacorps, they own the government.


The crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe.

[∞∞∞]

What's a greater threat to our Republic? The megacorps or the government itself?

Obviously the megacorps, they own the government.


The crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe.

There's some interesting debate regarding megacorps today, especially with the rise of globalism. NPR had a segment about it a few months back, but the argument is that megacorps are basically governments at this point. It simply takes a re-evaluation of the idea that a state must occupy land.

With a globalized economy, megacorps have direct influence over tens of millions of people, they can and do affect the policies of other states, they often wage non-physical wars against nations, and have the ability to create their own rules by picking and choosing which laws to follow around the world.

It'll take a concerted, international effort to clamp down on these landless fiefdoms.

[AZGrizFan]

Here's a hint tho: Before "mega businesses", it wasn't all "pure as the driven snow politics". It's been a crooked, rigged game since right about the time GW was replaced by John Adams. The players have changed, but the game remains pretty much the same...

The game changed when Citizen's United made it official that government is for sale to the highest bidder.

That changed nothing. Merely codified it.

[houndawg]

The game changed when Citizen's United made it official that government is for sale to the highest bidder.

That changed nothing. Merely codified it.

"Merely" codified it? I think thats a pretty big deal - an official statement of GAME OVER from the government to the governed.

[Chizzang]

This dovetails in nicely with our conversation about what is a Democracy

[Winterborn]

Chizzy pointed out the flaws in our system more effectively than all of Trip's posts combined. Trip wants to transform our flawed system to one that historically hasn't worked. The better question is, how do we improve the system without changing who we are as a nation - a Republic Ruled by Law?

Here's a hint tho: Before "mega businesses", it wasn't all "pure as the driven snow politics". It's been a crooked, rigged game since right about the time GW was replaced by John Adams. The players have changed, but the game remains pretty much the same...

Yup, add in 93 comments about human nature and I am surprised we have kept the same system this long. Just goes to show how well the Founding Fathers understood human nature and the progression of government.

"Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?"
"A Republic, if you can keep it."
Benjamin Franklin

[SDHornet]

America is a failed state ruled by corporations.

We might be economically stronger, but I'd put us on par with Mexico in terms of democracy.

You're angry because our political framework is stable and won't change on a whim. You're young, educated and I'm guessing have the financial resources to move. If you dislike the USA so much why do you stay? You might change it incrementally but you're not going to get the revolutionary change that you desire.

[SDHornet]

We are a Republic
Ruled by law, not the masses

So... about 100 years ago
mega corps (like steel and oil) started hiring their own politicians to write the "laws" of the Republic
an excellent work around for a Republic and one not well foreseen by the fathers

So we are indeed still a Republic Ruled by Law
however the laws are sponsored almost entirely by Mega Corps
They own all of the necessary members of our political system

and so here we are...
A Healthcare system designed entirely around profit
a Military structure designed entirely around profit
a failing education system
a crumbling infrastructure
10% own 80% of everything

We are a Republic Ruled by Law

Well stated.