Impeach Trump!

[89Hen]

But it's just as reasonable to assume the opposite.

There's our disagreement.

[Ibanez]

But it's just as reasonable to assume the opposite.

There's our disagreement.

You don't think it's reasonable that someone can ultimately do the right thing?

[AZGrizFan]

There's our disagreement.

You don't think it's reasonable that someone can ultimately do the right thing?

Guess that depends if you actually believe his remorse. Personally, I don't think there's a remorseful bone in his (or Hildabeast's) body.

[kalm]

You don't think it's reasonable that someone can ultimately do the right thing?

Guess that depends if you actually believe his remorse. Personally, I don't think there's a remorseful bone in his (or Hildabeast's) body.

I agree with this. With the Epstein ties and practically everything Hillary does politically...these are not good people. I think they may be on a Trump level.

To the greater point...most people don’t publicly own their shit until they’re forced to. Why should we expect more from politicians?

[AZGrizFan]

Guess that depends if you actually believe his remorse. Personally, I don't think there's a remorseful bone in his (or Hildabeast's) body.

I agree with this. With the Epstein ties and practically everything Hillary does politically...these are not good people. I think they may be on a Trump level.

To the greater point...most people don’t publicly own their shit until they’re forced to. Why should we expect more from politicians?

Yep, especially considering that, for the most part, they're bigger POS's than the general population.

[89Hen]

There's our disagreement.

You don't think it's reasonable that someone can ultimately do the right thing?

Someone? Yes.

[89Hen]

To the greater point...most people don’t publicly own their shit until they’re forced to.

I don't disagree with that, but it was the utter defiance he showed after getting caught that led me to my feelings on this particular case. I will never forget...

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That one clip automatically forfeits his "manning up" card in my book. To be fair, Raul may have been too young to really remember that as it happened.

[Ibanez]

You don't think it's reasonable that someone can ultimately do the right thing?

Guess that depends if you actually believe his remorse. Personally, I don't think there's a remorseful bone in his (or Hildabeast's) body.

Yes. Hence my "We can debate his sincerity." comment.

I'm playing devil's advocate here otherwise this place is a circle jerk.

I don't think someone with Clinton's history of assault is sorry. Just sorry he got caught.

[BDKJMU]

Yeah, this thing has witnesses called and the Biden(s) have to testify, the Dems are essentially throwing Bidens hopes for President away.

You do realize that the Rs control this cover up and can call whoever they want to call anytime, right?

Remember four days ago when this thing was already over except for the formalities?

The question is: Does Nancy Pelosi kick ass at the Jackie Chan level or at the Bruce Lee level?

Thing thing is already over except for the formalities. The only ass Pelosi has kicked has been that of her fellow dems..You can thank Pelosi when Trump is re elected..

[SDHornet]

Yeah, this thing has witnesses called and the Biden(s) have to testify, the Dems are essentially throwing Bidens hopes for President away.

You do realize that the Rs control this cover up and can call whoever they want to call anytime, right?

Remember four days ago when this thing was already over except for the formalities?

The question is: Does Nancy Pelosi kick ass at the Jackie Chan level or at the Bruce Lee level?

What cover up? Oh you think Trump actually has a chance at getting removed over this Ukraine thing?

Bless your heart.

[kalm]

You do realize that the Rs control this cover up and can call whoever they want to call anytime, right?

Remember four days ago when this thing was already over except for the formalities?

The question is: Does Nancy Pelosi kick ass at the Jackie Chan level or at the Bruce Lee level?

Thing thing is already over except for the formalities. The only ass Pelosi has kicked has been that of her fellow dems..You can thank Pelosi when Trump is re elected..

So you believe this actually helps Trump and vulnerable Republican senators come election time?

[SDHornet]

Thing thing is already over except for the formalities. The only ass Pelosi has kicked has been that of her fellow dems..You can thank Pelosi when Trump is re elected..

So you believe this actually helps Trump and vulnerable Republican senators come election time?

The populace at large has tuned this thing out. I don't think this vote will have much say in whether or not a vulnerable conk keeps their seat. A vulnerable conk could vote for removal and still likely lose their seat anyways.

[kalm]

So you believe this actually helps Trump and vulnerable Republican senators come election time?

The populace at large has tuned this thing out. I don't think this vote will have much say in whether or not a vulnerable conk keeps their seat. A vulnerable conk could vote for removal and still likely lose their seat anyways.

Agreed.

[houndawg]

You do realize that the Rs control this cover up and can call whoever they want to call anytime, right?

Remember four days ago when this thing was already over except for the formalities?

The question is: Does Nancy Pelosi kick ass at the Jackie Chan level or at the Bruce Lee level?

What cover up? Oh you think Trump actually has a chance at getting removed over this Ukraine thing?

Bless your heart.

Good grief.

Repeat after me: "Its the Senate, dumbass."

[∞∞∞]

Ivy, you have to remember than to the extremists (like Trip) anyone to the right of comrade Sanders is a conservative.

Extremists.

Look at the other side of the pond. Sanders would be to the center, maybe even center-right.

This country is pathetically far behind our western counterparts. Cons have tilted the field so right that we think sensible items like universal healthcare and environmental protections are extreme positions.

I want someone even more progressive than Sanders, but baby steps.

[89Hen]

Ivy, you have to remember than to the extremists (like Trip) anyone to the right of comrade Sanders is a conservative.

Extremists.

Look at the other side of the pond. Sanders would be to the center, maybe even center-right.

This country is pathetically far behind our western counterparts. Cons have tilted the field so right that we think sensible items like universal healthcare and environmental protections are extreme positions.

I want someone even more progressive than Sanders, but baby steps.

That post kinda sums up trip in just a few sentences. Congrats!

[89Hen]

Trip, you may be too late in moving.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-norw ... SKCN1BL0J3

Norway's right-wing government wins re-election fought on oil, tax

https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... on/569500/

Why Sweden’s Far Right Is on the Rise

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... can-082755

It’s Not Just Boris and Trump. British Political Parties Are Starting to Look More American.

[AZGrizFan]

Ivy, you have to remember than to the extremists (like Trip) anyone to the right of comrade Sanders is a conservative.

Extremists.

Look at the other side of the pond. Sanders would be to the center, maybe even center-right.

This country is pathetically far behind our western counterparts. Cons have tilted the field so right that we think sensible items like universal healthcare and environmental protections are extreme positions.

I want someone even more progressive than Sanders, but baby steps.

Look to the other side of the pond? You mean like France? England? Spain, Italy, Greece, etc.? Yeah, let's be more like THEM.

rampant unemployment
rampant illegal immigration
rampant terrorism/attacks/bombings
rights stripped away or never recognized
police states where police routine walk around with automatic weapons
rampant poverty




Looks like a real paradise over there.

Trip, we're not "behind" those countries because the truth is we HAVE no "counterparts". America stands alone. Despite your hatred for our country and our system, there's a reason we're the richest, most powerful nation on earth and the one country EVERY country's people flock to.

[∞∞∞]

So basically what those maps show is that the more conservative a nation is, the more poverty exists.

I wonder if that lines up with American states...

[Ibanez]

Ivy, you have to remember than to the extremists (like Trip) anyone to the right of comrade Sanders is a conservative.

Extremists.

Look at the other side of the pond. Sanders would be to the center, maybe even center-right.

This country is pathetically far behind our western counterparts. Cons have tilted the field so right that we think sensible items like universal healthcare and environmental protections are extreme positions.

I want someone even more progressive than Sanders, but baby steps.

We're more Western than our Western allies. Go anymore West and you end with the Commies in China...


Oh wait. I see your point.


The only thing progressive about Sanders is his heart disease and the amount of new liver spots has.

[Ibanez]

So basically what those maps show is that the more conservative a nation is, the more poverty exists.

I wonder if that lines up with American states...

What a minute. Libs have been saying we need be more like those countries, especially the Nordic ones. Now, they're suddenly "Conservative"?


Am I missing something?!

[∞∞∞]

So basically what those maps show is that the more conservative a nation is, the more poverty exists.

I wonder if that lines up with American states...

What a minute. Libs have been saying we need be more like those countries, especially the Nordic ones. Now, they're suddenly "Conservative"?


Am I missing something?!

Yes you are. Look at the most at risk nations in that map...the Baltics, Eastern Europe, the Balkans, and two of the most conservative nations in Europe: Spain and Italy. The UK takes a turn right, and they're in the red too.

The Nordic nations are not conservative.

[AZGrizFan]

So basically what those maps show is that the more conservative a nation is, the more poverty exists.

I wonder if that lines up with American states...

What they show is that virually all of Europe has a higher poverty rate than the US.

[Ibanez]

What a minute. Libs have been saying we need be more like those countries, especially the Nordic ones. Now, they're suddenly "Conservative"?


Am I missing something?!

Yes you are. Look at the most at risk nations in that map...the Baltics, Eastern Europe, the Balkans, and two of the most conservative nations in Europe: Spain and Italy. The UK takes a turn right, and they're in the red too.

The Nordic nations are not conservative.

Right wing ideology is on the rise in those countries.

[89Hen]

What a minute. Libs have been saying we need be more like those countries, especially the Nordic ones. Now, they're suddenly "Conservative"?


Am I missing something?!

Yes you are. Look at the most at risk nations in that map...the Baltics, Eastern Europe, the Balkans, and two of the most conservative nations in Europe: Spain and Italy. The UK takes a turn right, and they're in the red too.

The Nordic nations are not conservative.

They're also as white as the snow.