Coronavirus COVID-19

[kalm]

What "hysteria" would that be?

The hysteria that the mainstream media keeps promoting. I keep reading how bad it is out here in Seattle, but when I go places, outside of Costco being sold out of TP, I'm not seeing this hysteria.

That’s a good thing. Vigilance is better than hysteria. But vigilance is still needed at this point and probably for the next year. Especially when you read stories like this. You don’t here about this happening with the flu.

https://www.kuow.org/stories/the-days-l ... n-kirkland

[SeattleGriz]

The hysteria that the mainstream media keeps promoting. I keep reading how bad it is out here in Seattle, but when I go places, outside of Costco being sold out of TP, I'm not seeing this hysteria.

That’s a good thing. Vigilance is better than hysteria. But vigilance is still needed at this point and probably for the next year. Especially when you read stories like this. You don’t here about this happening with the flu.

https://www.kuow.org/stories/the-days-l ... n-kirkland

I blame Inslee.

[Baldy]

The hysteria that the mainstream media keeps promoting. I keep reading how bad it is out here in Seattle, but when I go places, outside of Costco being sold out of TP, I'm not seeing this hysteria.

That’s a good thing. Vigilance is better than hysteria. But vigilance is still needed at this point and probably for the next year. Especially when you read stories like this. You don’t here about this happening with the flu.

https://www.kuow.org/stories/the-days-l ... n-kirkland

Sure you do. The 2009 Swine flu pandemic killed 12,000-16,000 in the US, but with just a fraction of the hysteria.

I wonder why...

Oh...BTW *hear

[kalm]

That’s a good thing. Vigilance is better than hysteria. But vigilance is still needed at this point and probably for the next year. Especially when you read stories like this. You don’t here about this happening with the flu.

https://www.kuow.org/stories/the-days-l ... n-kirkland

Sure you do. The 2009 Swine flu pandemic killed 12,000-16,000 in the US, but with just a fraction of the hysteria.

I wonder why...

Oh...BTW *hear

Yeah I here ya.

I just don’t recall a situation like what happened at that care center. It went pretty damn quick threw their.

Maybe similar occurrences happened and it was not sensationalized or the reporting wasn’t as prevalent?

[SeattleGriz]

Sure you do. The 2009 Swine flu pandemic killed 12,000-16,000 in the US, but with just a fraction of the hysteria.

I wonder why...

Oh...BTW *hear

Yeah I here ya.

I just don’t recall a situation like what happened at that care center. It went pretty damn quick threw their.

Maybe similar occurrences happened and it was not sensationalized or the reporting wasn’t as prevalent?

*through

I think part of the issue is their death rate before Coronavirus. Staff just assuming it was an everyday occurrence happening.

[LeadBolt]

That’s a good thing. Vigilance is better than hysteria. But vigilance is still needed at this point and probably for the next year. Especially when you read stories like this. You don’t here about this happening with the flu.

https://www.kuow.org/stories/the-days-l ... n-kirkland

Sure you do. The 2009 Swine flu pandemic killed 12,000-16,000 in the US, but with just a fraction of the hysteria.

I wonder why...

Oh...BTW *hear

I’m so glad this administration acted much quicker and requested 60% higher initial appropriation than was done for swine flu.


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[BDKJMU]

Sure you do. The 2009 Swine flu pandemic killed 12,000-16,000 in the US, but with just a fraction of the hysteria.

I wonder why...

Oh...BTW *hear

Yeah I here ya.

I just don’t recall a situation like what happened at that care center. It went pretty damn quick threw their.

Maybe similar occurrences happened and it was not sensationalized or the reporting wasn’t as prevalent?

*through
*there

[JohnStOnge]

Again: Use the MMR as an example. It contains weakened versions of the viruses that cause measles, mumps and rubella. It prepares the body's immune system for all three of the viruses because it exposes that immune system to versions of all three of them. If it did not contain, for example, the measles virus it would not prepare the body's immune system for measles.

You can read about the flu vaccine at https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/keyfacts.htm. It is actually also a combination shot but all of the viruses targeted by the combination are influenza viruses. As you can see, the idea is to use either killed influenza viruses, proteins from target influenza viruses, or live weakened influenza viruses (see "Can a flu vaccine give men the flu" section).

You can also find a section about how the effectiveness of the flu vaccines administered each year depends on how well they anticipate which influenza viruses to target (see "Vaccine Match" section). That section gives you an idea as to how important it is that the viral materials introduced to the immune system via the vaccine or vaccines match the viruses invading the body. There is no WAY a vaccine composed of influenza virus materials is going to have any effect on immunity to a totally different family of viruses (coronavirus).

However, as I wrote earlier, I did completely over estimate how widespread the understanding of what vaccines are and how they basically works is. When I saw video of Trump asking that question I cringed and thought, "What a STUPID question." But in discussing it with people I was surprised to see how many people thought it could be like one medication being used to treat different diseases. Like one antibiotic being used to address two different bacterial diseases or one anti viral agent being used to address two different viral diseases AFTER the body is infected.

I've been married to an actual real live microbiologist for 20+ years. If I have any questions, I'll ask someone who actually knows what they're talking about.

And yes, she's laughing at all this unnecessary hysteria.

That's fine and I actually remembered something where a different virus was used to immunize. It's the case of cowpox and smallpox. In fact I think it may have been the first vaccine. Not sure about that but back in 1796 a British Doctor named Edward Jenner noticed that milkmaids who had gotten cowpox appeared to be protected from smallpox. That led to the cowpox virus being used to vaccinate against smallpox and it worked. However, the cowpox and smallpox viruses are closely related (see https://www.britannica.com/science/cowpox).

I also found something at https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5010a1.htm that says this:

Vaccinia virus can be genetically engineered to contain and express foreign DNA with or without impairing the ability of the virus to replicate. Such foreign DNA can encode protein antigens that induce protection against one or more infectious agents. Recombinant vaccinia viruses have been engineered to express immunizing antigens of herpesvirus, hepatitis B, rabies, influenza, human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), and other viruses (27--32).

So it looks to me like that virus can be used to make vaccines against other viruses through genetic engineering.

[SDHornet]

A pretty large school district here in the Sac area closed all schools for this upcoming week.

Update. So one family that has a student in the district tested positive. The district will use this upcomming week as its spring break. So all those teachers and families that had plans and booked travel on the original spring break are screwed.

[BDKJMU]

Musk tweets: “The coronavirus panic is dumb”.
Gets a million likes.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/tesla ... r-BB10UC1Q

[kalm]

A pretty large school district here in the Sac area closed all schools for this upcoming week.

Update. So one family that has a student in the district tested positive. The district will use this upcomming week as its spring break. So all those teachers and families that had plans and booked travel on the original spring break are screwed.

Oh no’s!!!!!

[mainejeff]

Musk tweets: “The coronavirus panic is dumb”.
Gets a million likes.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/tesla ... r-BB10UC1Q

I'd probably tweet that too if my stock had dropped from $950 to below $700.

[93henfan]

Update. So one family that has a student in the district tested positive. The district will use this upcomming week as its spring break. So all those teachers and families that had plans and booked travel on the original spring break are screwed.

Oh no’s!!!!!

It's California. They'll just pass a proposition to pay them back. And then keep the tax in place permanently.

[BDKJMU]

Passengers aboard cruise ship off California amid coronavirus outbreak to be transferred to military posts for quarantine

American passengers on the Grand Princess, a cruise ship that has been docked off the coast of Northern California since Thursday because of the coronavirus, will be transferred to military posts in California, Texas and Georgia to be tested and for a mandatory 14-day quarantine, federal health officials said Sunday during a news conference with Gov. Gavin Newsom.

Health and Human Services officials said nearly 1,000 California residents on the ship will complete the quarantine at Travis Air Force Base north of San Francisco and Marine Corps Air Station Miramar near San Diego. Residents of other states will complete the quarantine at Joint Base San Antonio-Lackland in Texas or Dobbins Air Reserve Base in Georgia.

The officials said all will be monitored for symptoms of COVID-19 throughout their quarantine, adding that crew members who tested positive for the virus would remain on the ship.

The Grand Princess ship, which has been carrying over 3,500 people from 54 countries, is expected to dock at the Port of Oakland, Calif., on Monday. It has been docked some 10 to 12 miles offshore since Thursday.

Of the 21 people infected aboard the ship, 19 crew members and two passengers had tested positive for COVID-19. As of Friday, only 45 of the ship’s passengers had been tested. The ship canceled its final stop in Mexico en route to San Francisco from Hawaii after officials learned a man who had been on the ship last month contracted the virus and died.

Passengers have been on the ship since Feb. 21 when they left California for Hawaii. The ship’s chief medical officer, Dr. Grant Tarling, said the company believed the man, who didn’t show any symptoms until he was on board, contracted the virus before boarding, The Mercury News reported.

Newsom said California residents will take priority, followed by non-California residents who are U.S. citizens, and then non-U.S. citizens. Those who have tested positive for the virus will be sent directly to California hospitals, officials said.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/californ ... quarantine

[BDKJMU]

In the meantime, no cruises..

[CAA Flagship]

So a girl from STL was attending college in Italy. They were sent home as the outbreak widened. When she got home, she began feeling sick. She got tested along with the rest of her family. But before getting the test results back, the father and younger sister went to a school dance. Tests came back positive in the middle of the dance and they left immediately. Everyone who was there is being asked to stay out of school this week (with the following week being Spring Break).

Not sure why they thought if was a good idea to go to the dance after they knew they were tested and the older sister feeling sick.

[mainejeff]

So a girl from STL was attending college in Italy. They were sent home as the outbreak widened. When she got home, she began feeling sick. She got tested along with the rest of her family. But before getting the test results back, the father and younger sister went to a school dance. Tests came back positive in the middle of the dance and they left immediately. Everyone who was there is being asked to stay out of school this week (with the following week being Spring Break).

Not sure why they thought if was a good idea to go to the dance after they knew they were tested and the older sister feeling sick.

This is only the tip of the Americans-are-dumb iceberg. Just look at this site....half of us think that this is a libtard hoax.

[93henfan]

So a girl from STL was attending college in Italy. They were sent home as the outbreak widened. When she got home, she began feeling sick. She got tested along with the rest of her family. But before getting the test results back, the father and younger sister went to a school dance. Tests came back positive in the middle of the dance and they left immediately. Everyone who was there is being asked to stay out of school this week (with the following week being Spring Break).

Not sure why they thought if was a good idea to go to the dance after they knew they were tested and the older sister feeling sick.

This is only the tip of the Americans-are-dumb iceberg. Just look at this site....half of us think that this is a libtard hoax.

Definitely not a hoax. It's real. The hysteria is unnecessary though, This is basically a flu. Nothing to go nuts about. It kills babies and the infirmed, like the flu does. It makes healthy people get a fever and the shits and then they're fine once it runs its course.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

It is stupid.

330 million people in this country. More were killed so far by the tornado (in less than an hour) in Nashville last week.

I'm terrified.

Wake me when this kills 30 million then I might give a fuck

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[JohnStOnge]

Musk tweets: “The coronavirus panic is dumb”.
Gets a million likes.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/tesla ... r-BB10UC1Q

I basically agree but it's the nature of our culture.

[CID1990]

This is only the tip of the Americans-are-dumb iceberg. Just look at this site....half of us think that this is a libtard hoax.

Definitely not a hoax. It's real. The hysteria is unnecessary though, This is basically a flu. Nothing to go nuts about. It kills babies and the infirmed, like the flu does. It makes healthy people get a fever and the shits and then they're fine once it runs its course.

It doesn't even kill kids ... children are in the lowest risk group if you look at the actual death stats that are now coming out

It is starting to look like people who don't heal quickly are at most risk - so the elderly starting at 60, and pre-existing conditions that hamper the healing process. This thing creates lesions in the lungs that require timely healing processes. Kids heal fast.

Old people and people with conditions like diabetes do not - so while their lungs are sloooowly healing, the crud in the lungs gets infected, they get pneumonia, lack of oxygen starts to shut down the organs, and then off to the death pool thread

Hope I'm not on it

[BDKJMU]

Wow Germany is an outlier. Comparing them some to other countries, as of 0630 ECB time, reported:
Italy, 7300+ cases, 366 deaths
S Korea 7400+ cases, 51 deaths
France: 1200+ cases, 19 deaths.
Germany 1100+ cases 0 deaths.
Spain 673 cases, 17 deaths.
US 582 cases, 22 deaths.
Japan 500+ cases, 7 deaths

What are the Krauts doing that others aren’t?

[∞∞∞]

It doesn't even kill kids ... children are in the lowest risk group if you look at the actual death stats that are now coming out...

Yeah I don't think anyone in the entire world under the age of 20 has died. In fact, so far that group has a 1% infection rate.

That said, they might be asymptomatic carriers so no one's getting tested, but 0-20 is currently a good age to be in.

70+ is where it gets dicey, and as has been said, if you have underlying health conditions. Smokers getting hit hard too.

[93henfan]

Wow Germany is an outlier. Comparing them some to other countries, as of 0630 ECB time, reported:
Italy, 7300+ cases, 366 deaths
S Korea 7400+ cases, 51 deaths
France: 1200+ cases, 19 deaths.
Germany 1100+ cases 0 deaths.
Spain 673 cases, 17 deaths.
US 582 cases, 22 deaths.
Japan 500+ cases, 7 deaths

What are the Krauts doing that others aren’t?

Washing their hands.

[kalm]

EWU cancelled finals week. All tests are online. Oldest kalm boy very happy. Youngest (who’s still in high school), pissed.

Just bought him a heavy bag and I’m printing out a pic of his brother to tape to it as per request.