Officer says he'll 'never apologize'...

[wkuhillhound]

AZGrizFan- self-proclaimed "minority" of cs.com

[AZGrizFan]

AZGrizFan- self-proclaimed "minority" of cs.com

I didn't say "of cs.com".

[wkuhillhound]

AZGrizFan- self-proclaimed "minority" of cs.com

I didn't say "of cs.com".

[AZGrizFan]

I didn't say "of cs.com".

Love you too.

[wideright82]

Victory for NorthernCOU

D1B-self proclaimed "scorekeeper" for cs.com.

I should probably lend him my chalk then.

[wkuhillhound]

Love you too.

Just mad because I mad fun of your schtick.

[native]

Most idiotic post of the day.

Na what's idiotic is that you DON'T think cops racial profile, thats an almost a border line retarded thought.

As far as the cops' investigative leads are concerned, they SHOULD profile for any risk factor which is rooted in factual crime statistics. However, once they engage an individual, they should just go down the checklist of established procedures the same way for everyone - by the book.

[native]

IMHO, there are less than a handful of people who truly know what happened. It appears to me that the cop was doing his job and Gates was being an a$$, but that's what I've read and heard (from the same media who lovingly embraced Obama). Again, that's my opinion based on what I've heard, which is about the same amount that our comrade in the White House knew before he spouted off about how stupidly the Cambridge police department handled the situation. He singlehandedly eroded the credibility of a police force (maybe hundreds?) with a single sentence when he should have uttered "no comment" until he knew the specifics. Now he's still standing by his statement and saying it was blown out of proportion? The White House will never admit any fault on this, but again IMHO BHO was WAAAAYY out of line calling out a police matter when he (self admittedly) didn't have all the facts. What an a$$hat.

Yep....rookie mistake of collosal proportions IMO....not very Statesman-like or diplomatic....opens himself & WH up to controversey not needed on the heels of their failure to get a HC vote pre-summer break....

Another rookie mistake --- you, ASUG8 and others nailed it, Appy!

[Grizalltheway]

Yep....rookie mistake of collosal proportions IMO....not very Statesman-like or diplomatic....opens himself & WH up to controversey not needed on the heels of their failure to get a HC vote pre-summer break....

Another rookie mistake --- you, ASUG8 and others nailed it, Appy!

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaki ... eaded.html

But I'm sure you and other Fox news mouthpieces won't even give him credit for sacking up.

[native]

Another rookie mistake --- you, ASUG8 and others nailed it, Appy!

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaki ... eaded.html

But I'm sure you and other Fox news mouthpieces won't even give him credit for sacking up.

I give the president credit for calling Crowley, but he did not "sack up." Sacking up would have been making a public apology, which the president failed to do.

If Obama really wants to do the right thing and exhibit Presidential leadership as it should be done, he would not only apologize to officer Crowley, he would also use this episode as a teaching moment to encourage all Americans to:
1. support legitimate law enforcement,
2. avoid factually uninformed knee-jerk racist assumptions, and
3. castigate race-baiters like Professor Gates.

If Obama were to take this bold step, he would catapult the country forward a decade in race relations and his approval ratings would shoot back up through the roof.

[BlueHen86]

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaki ... eaded.html

But I'm sure you and other Fox news mouthpieces won't even give him credit for sacking up.

I give the president credit for calling Crowley, but he did not "sack up." Sacking up would have been making a public apology, which the president failed to do.

If Obama really wants to do the right thing and exhibit Presidential leadership as it should be done, he would not only apologize to officer Crowley, he would also use this episode as a teaching moment to encourage all Americans to:
1. support legitimate law enforcement,
2. avoid factually uninformed liberal knee-jerk racist assumptions, and
3. castigate race-baiters like Professor Gates.

If Obama were to take this bold step, he would catapult the country forward a decade in race relations and his approval ratings would shoot back up through the roof.

Take the word liberal out of your second point, and I agree with you. Conservatives are just as capable of making knee jerk reactions.

[native]

I give the president credit for calling Crowley, but he did not "sack up." Sacking up would have been making a public apology, which the president failed to do.

If Obama really wants to do the right thing and exhibit Presidential leadership as it should be done, he would not only apologize to officer Crowley, he would also use this episode as a teaching moment to encourage all Americans to:
1. support legitimate law enforcement,
2. avoid factually uninformed liberal knee-jerk racist assumptions, and
3. castigate race-baiters like Professor Gates.

If Obama were to take this bold step, he would catapult the country forward a decade in race relations and his approval ratings would shoot back up through the roof.

Take the word liberal out of your second point, and I agree with you. Conservatives are just as capable of making knee jerk reactions.

Done.

[BlueHen86]

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaki ... eaded.html

But I'm sure you and other Fox news mouthpieces won't even give him credit for sacking up.

I give the president credit for calling Crowley, but he did not "sack up." Sacking up would have been making a public apology, which the president failed to do.

If Obama really wants to do the right thing and exhibit Presidential leadership as it should be done, he would not only apologize to officer Crowley, he would also use this episode as a teaching moment to encourage all Americans to:
1. support legitimate law enforcement,
2. avoid factually uninformed knee-jerk racist assumptions, and
3. castigate race-baiters like Professor Gates.

If Obama were to take this bold step, he would catapult the country forward a decade in race relations and his approval ratings would shoot back up through the roof.

Agree 100%

[AZGrizFan]

Another rookie mistake --- you, ASUG8 and others nailed it, Appy!

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaki ... eaded.html

But I'm sure you and other Fox news mouthpieces won't even give him credit for sacking up.

When Obama comes on the television and admits HIMSELF that he made a mistake, THEN I'll give him credit.

[CID1990]

As much as I would probably enjoy having a beer with the President, I don't think I would go with the latest offer if I were Crowley. The belligerent in this whole case is Gates. Crowley goes to the White House, gets his beer, and then gets subjected to a 2-hour 'talking to' from Gates about seeing the other guy's point of view. That's where these people go wrong. "Their" point of view is fueled by emotion, usually irrational. A cop's point of view is fueled by getting the job done, i.e: let's figure out if this guy is legit and then move on to the next call.

Crowley doesn't need a sensitivity session from Obama and Gates. Considering that he is a cop in Cambridge, Massachusetts, I'd say he has spent way too much time already in sensitivity training and diversity training that would have been better spent riding calls and doing his job. Heck, he probably has the "other people see things differently" Power Point slides burned into his retinas.

I think I'd respond this way: "Mr. President, I would love to have a beer and a ciggie with you and maybe bend your ear a little bit about the FBS bowl system and other guy issues, but I don't go to parties where I know there will be people who irrevocably hate my guts because of what I do for a living, so unless you un-invite Professor Gates I will have to respectfully decline."

BTW- I've heard a lot of talk in the media and from Gates himself about how this incident brings 'racial profiling' issues to the forefront. Since when is responding to a call of two black guys breaking into a house profiling? Profiling is riding around and randomly stopping people based on their charateristics rather than having reasonable suspicion of a crime. A citizen providing a specific description of a black suspect at a possible crime in progress is not profiling. It is called 'giving a good description of the suspect to the 911 operator.' I know why Gates, et al. threw the profiling thing out there. Too many people hear the words and then are too willing to just nod their heads and say "yeah, that racism stuff is just bad" without stopping to consider what they are being fed.

If anything, somebody needs to look at this woman who lives next door to Gates and doesn't even know the guy. Sounds like there needs to be a little sensitivity and maybe a little friendly race mixing in Gates' neighborhood. Seems like she cared enough to look out for his property interests without even knowing him, yet he can't be bothered to get to know the woman who lives next door. Maybe he is just afraid that the police will come arrest him for talking to a white woman. Or maybe he just doesn't like white people.

[catamount man]

I did the LE thing for 17 years. Most of that was in patrol, with a little bit in investigations and narcotics. I supervised all kinds of cops. I must have run into this same situation a million times. I was mostly in our downtown district that was mostly black. Sometimes, the "here's my ID, no problem here" scenario played out. However, more often than not, there was hollering and yelling, black man can't be left alone in his own house, blah blah blah. Maybe the whole belligerent, uncooperative attitude is cultural, like the hispanic machismo, I don't know. Sometimes we were able to satisfy whatever reason we had for being there and were able to leave. usually with the guy yelling at us the whole time.

Imagine doing that for years... the same old thing, the same old mantra, over and over and over. Add to that the occasional high profile case like this one when suddenly all cops are douchebags. Imagine sitting in a diner at 0300 trying to get some breakfast between calls with some a$$hole drunk in the next booth mumbling about donuts and bacon. Add to that the knowledge that you have always given everybody an even break... I delivered a couple babies, comforted countless mothers in grief, attended many murder scenes, returned runaways home, performed CPR, pulled an old woman out of a car submerged in a canal, mentored inner city kids, even bought groceries for a mother so she could keep her kids. These people were all black. Yet night in and night out, I get called racist, spit at, have piss balloons dropped out of apartment windows, and about once every two or three weeks I got the privilege of going down to Internal Affairs and grilled by some ladder climber about whether I was rude to some guy or put the handcuffs on too tight after arresting him for beating down his baby mama.

I'm no hero, either. For every one bad cop there are 1000 guys just like I was. Giving everyone an even break, and trying to be as fair as possible while enforcing the law. I got fed up and tired of it about two years ago. I called my marker due for past work in the foreign affairs community, took a new job, and hung up the badge. My blood pressure and budding hypertension are now under control after only 5 months off the job. And you know what? I have all the respect in the world for the guys still doing the job. I pulled up to an Arlington County cop last week and just told him thank you. But I pity those guys, too, because it is the most thankless, onerous job in the world. Even military guys eventually get to come home from war. Cops are at it from day one until they quit or they die.

James Crowley, the officer who arrested Henry Louis Gates, Jr is the very same James Crowley who performed CPR on Celtics star Reggie Lewis about 16 years ago. He was called a racist for not doing enough. I can only wonder what it is that keeps him going to work. If I was a private employer I would offer the guy a job shoveling sh!t. It would be an improvement over what he does now.

As for the public, I can finally say piss on the public, especially in Charleston, SC. You're on your own. I hope they replaced me with a young guy who still thinks he can save the world (although you do not deserve him). I just hope he has the good sense to get out before it kills him.

This is because people in America don't want to be held accountable for ANYTHING anymore. Today one's responsibility has been replaced by a victim mentality or some "disease" that some doctor invents to keep people doped up for whatever reason. We are a spoiled nation of diseased thinking people where things that were once hailed as sacred are now mocked with utter ridicule. Hard work, paying one's debts, and raising children with love and discipline is now the minority. The liberal indoctrination started in the 1960s and this country is no more the better since then. You cannot deny the facts of the rising crime rate, rising STD rate, rising murder, rising rape, rising lawlessness, etc, etc all since the dawn of the "enlightened" liberal.

America will not recover unless a true repentence of heart and mind come to fruition. Given today's society, AND I INCLUDE EVERY SPECTRUM, EVERY RACE, EVERY CREED AND EVERY RELIGION, I won't be holding my breath anytime soon.

[native]

As much as I would probably enjoy having a beer with the President, I don't think I would go with the latest offer if I were Crowley. The belligerent in this whole case is Gates. Crowley goes to the White House, gets his beer, and then gets subjected to a 2-hour 'talking to' from Gates about seeing the other guy's point of view. That's where these people go wrong. "Their" point of view is fueled by emotion, usually irrational. A cop's point of view is fueled by getting the job done, i.e: let's figure out if this guy is legit and then move on to the next call.

Crowley doesn't need a sensitivity session from Obama and Gates. Considering that he is a cop in Cambridge, Massachusetts, I'd say he has spent way too much time already in sensitivity training and diversity training that would have been better spent riding calls and doing his job. Heck, he probably has the "other people see things differently" Power Point slides burned into his retinas.

I think I'd respond this way: "Mr. President, I would love to have a beer and a ciggie with you and maybe bend your ear a little bit about the FBS bowl system and other guy issues, but I don't go to parties where I know there will be people who irrevocably hate my guts because of what I do for a living, so unless you un-invite Professor Gates I will have to respectfully decline."

BTW- I've heard a lot of talk in the media and from Gates himself about how this incident brings 'racial profiling' issues to the forefront. Since when is responding to a call of two black guys breaking into a house profiling? Profiling is riding around and randomly stopping people based on their charateristics rather than having reasonable suspicion of a crime. A citizen providing a specific description of a black suspect at a possible crime in progress is not profiling. It is called 'giving a good description of the suspect to the 911 operator.' I know why Gates, et al. threw the profiling thing out there. Too many people hear the words and then are too willing to just nod their heads and say "yeah, that racism stuff is just bad" without stopping to consider what they are being fed.

If anything, somebody needs to look at this woman who lives next door to Gates and doesn't even know the guy. Sounds like there needs to be a little sensitivity and maybe a little friendly race mixing in Gates' neighborhood. Seems like she cared enough to look out for his property interests without even knowing him, yet he can't be bothered to get to know the woman who lives next door. Maybe he is just afraid that the police will come arrest him for talking to a white woman. Or maybe he just doesn't like white people.

What a thoughtful post, Cid! You bring grace and matirity to the forum. ...and THANK YOU for your service!

[Appaholic]

As much as I would probably enjoy having a beer with the President, I don't think I would go with the latest offer if I were Crowley. The belligerent in this whole case is Gates. Crowley goes to the White House, gets his beer, and then gets subjected to a 2-hour 'talking to' from Gates about seeing the other guy's point of view. That's where these people go wrong. "Their" point of view is fueled by emotion, usually irrational. A cop's point of view is fueled by getting the job done, i.e: let's figure out if this guy is legit and then move on to the next call.

Crowley doesn't need a sensitivity session from Obama and Gates. Considering that he is a cop in Cambridge, Massachusetts, I'd say he has spent way too much time already in sensitivity training and diversity training that would have been better spent riding calls and doing his job. Heck, he probably has the "other people see things differently" Power Point slides burned into his retinas.

I think I'd respond this way: "Mr. President, I would love to have a beer and a ciggie with you and maybe bend your ear a little bit about the FBS bowl system and other guy issues, but I don't go to parties where I know there will be people who irrevocably hate my guts because of what I do for a living, so unless you un-invite Professor Gates I will have to respectfully decline."

BTW- I've heard a lot of talk in the media and from Gates himself about how this incident brings 'racial profiling' issues to the forefront. Since when is responding to a call of two black guys breaking into a house profiling? Profiling is riding around and randomly stopping people based on their charateristics rather than having reasonable suspicion of a crime. A citizen providing a specific description of a black suspect at a possible crime in progress is not profiling. It is called 'giving a good description of the suspect to the 911 operator.' I know why Gates, et al. threw the profiling thing out there. Too many people hear the words and then are too willing to just nod their heads and say "yeah, that racism stuff is just bad" without stopping to consider what they are being fed.

If anything, somebody needs to look at this woman who lives next door to Gates and doesn't even know the guy. Sounds like there needs to be a little sensitivity and maybe a little friendly race mixing in Gates' neighborhood. Seems like she cared enough to look out for his property interests without even knowing him, yet he can't be bothered to get to know the woman who lives next door. Maybe he is just afraid that the police will come arrest him for talking to a white woman. Or maybe he just doesn't like white people.

Well stated for a citadel man....

[catamount man]

As much as I would probably enjoy having a beer with the President, I don't think I would go with the latest offer if I were Crowley. The belligerent in this whole case is Gates. Crowley goes to the White House, gets his beer, and then gets subjected to a 2-hour 'talking to' from Gates about seeing the other guy's point of view. That's where these people go wrong. "Their" point of view is fueled by emotion, usually irrational. A cop's point of view is fueled by getting the job done, i.e: let's figure out if this guy is legit and then move on to the next call.

Crowley doesn't need a sensitivity session from Obama and Gates. Considering that he is a cop in Cambridge, Massachusetts, I'd say he has spent way too much time already in sensitivity training and diversity training that would have been better spent riding calls and doing his job. Heck, he probably has the "other people see things differently" Power Point slides burned into his retinas.

I think I'd respond this way: "Mr. President, I would love to have a beer and a ciggie with you and maybe bend your ear a little bit about the FBS bowl system and other guy issues, but I don't go to parties where I know there will be people who irrevocably hate my guts because of what I do for a living, so unless you un-invite Professor Gates I will have to respectfully decline."

BTW- I've heard a lot of talk in the media and from Gates himself about how this incident brings 'racial profiling' issues to the forefront. Since when is responding to a call of two black guys breaking into a house profiling? Profiling is riding around and randomly stopping people based on their charateristics rather than having reasonable suspicion of a crime. A citizen providing a specific description of a black suspect at a possible crime in progress is not profiling. It is called 'giving a good description of the suspect to the 911 operator.' I know why Gates, et al. threw the profiling thing out there. Too many people hear the words and then are too willing to just nod their heads and say "yeah, that racism stuff is just bad" without stopping to consider what they are being fed.

If anything, somebody needs to look at this woman who lives next door to Gates and doesn't even know the guy. Sounds like there needs to be a little sensitivity and maybe a little friendly race mixing in Gates' neighborhood. Seems like she cared enough to look out for his property interests without even knowing him, yet he can't be bothered to get to know the woman who lives next door. Maybe he is just afraid that the police will come arrest him for talking to a white woman. Or maybe he just doesn't like white people.

Well stated for a citadel man....

Me thinx THIS is why Gates has an eternal chip on his shoulder. One would think a man with his intellect and money would not be bothered by such trife. As is, he's still bitter. Kind of like that Goodman chick who killed her white neighbor because he was, well, white.

[Cap'n Cat]

You fvcking people are so blind, do you know that?

Root cause analysis of the issue dictates that the problem is, simply put - black people!











































Gotta give credit where credit is due: was very impressed at CID1990's post about being in law enforcement. I think he's 100% dead on.

[native]

...This is because people in America don't want to be held accountable for ANYTHING anymore. Today one's responsibility has been replaced by a victim mentality or some "disease" that some doctor invents to keep people doped up for whatever reason. We are a spoiled nation of diseased thinking people where things that were once hailed as sacred are now mocked with utter ridicule. Hard work, paying one's debts, and raising children with love and discipline is now the minority. The liberal indoctrination started in the 1960s and this country is no more the better since then. You cannot deny the facts of the rising crime rate, rising STD rate, rising murder, rising rape, rising lawlessness, etc, etc all since the dawn of the "enlightened" liberal.

America will not recover unless a true repentence of heart and mind come to fruition. Given today's society, AND I INCLUDE EVERY SPECTRUM, EVERY RACE, EVERY CREED AND EVERY RELIGION, I won't be holding my breath anytime soon.

I hate to be so danged cynical, but your analysis hits the mark!

[AZGrizFan]

Until that a-hole Gates AND the President BOTH offered me a public apology, I wouldn't go anywhere NEAR the White House if I were Crowley.

[BlueHen86]

Until that a-hole Gates AND the President BOTH offered me a public apology, I wouldn't go anywhere NEAR the White House if I were Crowley.

Unfortunately he'll never get an apology from the President. Politicians don't apologize, they spin. What Crowley got from Obama the other day is the best he could expect.

I agree regarding Gates, this incident is primarily the result of him overreacting. He owes Crowley - and the President - an apology.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Hussein Obama is NOT making a rookie mistake.

He has shown time and time again he is willing to use his power as President of the USA to attack private citizens of this country.

His "angry black man is gonna get back at somebody now" attitude is just another in the very long list of reasons this community organizer is not equipped to do the job.

Oh and if Gates is so educated and tapped into culture, why was it so hard to disarm the situation by outsmarting the dumb white cops?

Should have been easy for a man with his credentials to make this whole thing go away before it got any air time.

Dumb fu*ker.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Crowley needs to decline until Obama makes a public apology.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07 ... arly-week/


Only this assh*le (Hussein Obama) could fu*k up this bad over something so trivial and meaningless.