Coronavirus COVID-19

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Thanks for pointing that out skinned knee little girl!

You can't quit me, Mike.

Yeah......I wake up everyday and log in just so I can find out how CNN programmed their little robot today.

[BDKJMU]

So you think hundreds of people at a time should continue to cram into a tightly confined, small space, shoulder to shoulder, for 7-12 hours at a time, basically a flying petri dish, criss crossing the Atlantic, thousands of times a day, from dozens of European airports, from one infected block of countries (the EU), to another. Got it.

I bet you're fine though with banning large crowds in the US, which BTW aren't as crammed or in as tightly a confined space as an aircraft, and are generally for much shorter periods of time than trans Atlantic flights.

The speech wasn't a weak response at all.

If the EU wants to ban US citizens for 30 days, so be it.

It was a WEAK ass response, and possibly a dangerous one where passengers will now circumvent point-to-point travel and spread this to uninfected regions of the world just so they can get to the US.

Nations are dealing with this successfully without travel bans, then you've got a dumb ass doing little at home and tanking the economy.

Also you're completely misinformed about airplanes being human petri dishes:
https://www.livescience.com/62060-respi ... ssion.html

Large gatherings ARE worse. Do you think scientists are asking to ban large crowds instead of imposing travel restrictions based on nothing but their feelings? See: human history.

You're a moron if you think a few hours in an open air stadium, or even a high ceiling arena, is worse than 8-15 hours on a densely packed aluminum tube.
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists ... aeroplanes
And if COVID-19 is more contagious than the regular flu, with its ability to last on surfaces longer.
https://www.livescience.com/how-long-co ... faces.html

It makes ZERO sense to ban crowds in the US, close schools, close workplaces, and then still allow 2k+ daily flights, with hundreds of thousands of DENSELY packed people, more densely packed than they are in schools, workplaces, or stadiums, for longer periods of time, from the hot spot of COVID-19, that has open borders, to the US.

Trump failed in that he didn't announce this ban earlier.

[BDKJMU]

The UK has an open border with the EU until the end of the year. People can just circumvent the UK if they want to, spreading the virus where it may not be. The best way to deal with this isn't travel bans, but focusing on protecting the homeland and having proper responses when cases occur. Start testing people at a mass scale if we want to actually prevent this from spreading, and allow people to stay at home without having to suffer financial setbacks (would be easier if we had universal healthcare, UBI, and/or codified leave times).

I didn't see the speech, but a travel ban should have happened in early Feb. Not buying how a travel ban is a bad idea. Funny how the open border folks still want an open border even with this shit going around.


As far as what this thing turnouts out to be, I'm leaning along the lines of 93's thinking as far as health impact. The economic impacts will be hard, especially on travel/tourism industries but they'll bounce back when this thing runs it course. When that will be remains the question.

All I know is Disneyland better stay the fuck open as I have a trip with the fam scheduled there in a few weeks. Hoping for short lines and a less crowded environment.

Bingo.

[GannonFan]

Trump failed in that he didn't announce this ban earlier.

Yes, that ban should've happened two weeks ago. Europe is all up in arms that we did it without collaborating with them, but then they're at a loss as to what would've been the outcome if we had talked to them anyway. The EU spokesperson on NPR this morning was saying we could've just relied on self identifying forms as a means of control, but even the NPR folks were scoffing at that.

Of course, Trump also got a lot of crap when they announced a ban on flights from China back when this was all just conjecture and still just starting and was accused of racism or scapegoating China at the time. Politics have not been rising to the occasion during this epidemic.

[Skjellyfetti]

[catbooster]

You don't post enough on the Poli Board for me to know it was TIC.

That made me look at the profiles on the right - I joined this board the day before you and I've amassed a whopping 427 posts!

I've lurked here long enough to have a feel for the regulars, but sometimes forget that none of you would have any idea about me.

[SunCoastBlueHen]

MLB and NHL are joining the NCAA and NBA in shutting 'er down, but as of now I still have to drive to Sarasota on Saturday morning for a gymnastics meet. That's 1000 people crammed into a tiny gym.

[GannonFan]

MLB and NHL are joining the NCAA and NBA in shutting 'er down, but as of now I still have to drive to Sarasota on Saturday morning for a gymnastics meet. That's 1000 people crammed into a tiny gym.

Yeah, indoor sporting events, youth included, probably should be cancelled, or at a bare minimum be done with no spectators at all. I'm good with outdoor ones still going on, albeit with spectator restrictions there as well.

[BDKJMU]

Maybe, maybe not. Can you tell me if it does? Can Trump?

WHO certainly doesn't think it'd be effective at this point.

Travel ban aside, yesterday's speech was also an indication that the administration is focusing on the wrong stuff. He's treating this as some foreign entity that can be stopped at the border when the thing virus is here for weeks now. If he really wants to fix this, he needs to go on prime time again and detail the ground game the federal government is going to implement, not just some limp-wrist travel restrictions.

Being dismissive, and treating the virus as some weird enemy of the state, is a very dangerous game.

This shit ain’t political and it’s not going away anytime soon. We’re past prevention and into mitigation. It’s going to take a very quick and massive response (like literally constructing temporary hospitals and staying home...today) in order to realistically flatten the curve.

In a free and open society we are at a much higher risk and we are already behind.

True. Which includes travel restrictions. How are you going to do a "social distancing" on a plane? Or on mostly full trains, buses, or stadiums, etc.

China did their own internal travel restrictions, which seemed to have worked. Italy is doing their own, which remains to be seen.

[SeattleGriz]

Work just notified everyone to be prepared for several weeks of telecommuting.

[Ibanez]

You can't quit me, Mike.

Yeah......I wake up everyday and log in just so I can find out how CNN programmed their little robot today.

You must not know how to read because i've call out CNN quite frequently, especially in this thread. It's ok...reading can hard. Here's a coloring book for you to work on

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Stickybunz is right this whole thing is Trumps fault, his open borders policy is insane. He should have built a wall or something, what an asshole

[BDKJMU]

Maybe, maybe not. Can you tell me if it does? Can Trump?

WHO certainly doesn't think it'd be effective at this point.

Travel ban aside, yesterday's speech was also an indication that the administration is focusing on the wrong stuff. He's treating this as some foreign entity that can be stopped at the border when the thing virus is here for weeks now. If he really wants to fix this, he needs to go on prime time again and detail the ground game the federal government is going to implement, not just some limp-wrist travel restrictions.

Being dismissive, and treating the virus as some weird enemy of the state, is a very dangerous game.

Your whole response is just
Trump does something, it's his fault. Trump does nothing, it's his fault.

This virus is here, steps are being taken to limit how fast it spreads and that includes importing additional cases via air travel to Europe. In addition to the Fed; State, county, and local agencies/entities are already taking actions they see fit. I think it's already too late for a travel ban (BTW closing the borders worked great for Russia), but I'm not opposed to taking the steps deemed necessary. Not sure why you feel otherwise and in fact, seem contradictory to your "shut down big local gatherings" you posted yesterday.

Yep. Trips TDS is on full overdrive.
Good point on Russia. Looking at the site:
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboar ... 7b48e9ecf6
they are only 28 cases, about 48th on the list, despite sharing a border with China.
Still think the travel restrictions can slow the spread some, but should have been done earlier.

[Ivytalk]

Are you questioning AlphaGriz???????!!!!!!!!

Ivy can you cant

Wut?

I can rant.

I can chant.

But I can’t cant.

[dbackjon]

People keep saying that. For weeks. People lie Z ranting about the Media instead of taking it seriously. The Non-Right wing media has been more accurate on this than the walking disaster of the hoax in the White House who is unprepared, incompetent and making matters worse

Giving the news/updates/information is one thing. Having experts on to talk about it and what could be expected here based off what's happened in other countries is one thing (and it's good).

Telling people that your lives will change, " You can no longer do what you want, when you want, how you want and with whatever means you have", to me, sparks panic. Especially when it's repeated over and over. You aren't sounding the alarm. Cuomo did that last night after the address. Yes, we all realize that something serious is happening here. Forget about comparing it to the flu, something is happening and it's having an incredible impact on our society. As I said previously, I think the matter of fact manor in which Dr. Fauci gave us information the other day was the way to go. He wasn't emotional about it. At least that is how I perceive it.

And again, Trump did better than I expected last night. He was a bit robotic and clearly can't read from a teleprompter. But he sounded sober. Better late than never. I think his response to tell everyone "within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero" was extremely stupid. Calm people down, be factual and not hyperbolic.

Good lord your expectations were low. Shows how badly Trump performs under pressure.

[89Hen]

You don't post enough on the Poli Board for me to know it was TIC.

That made me look at the profiles on the right - I joined this board the day before you and I've amassed a whopping 427 posts!

I've lurked here long enough to have a feel for the regulars, but sometimes forget that none of you would have any idea about me.

You have to remember that I'm the oldest guy on the board (or so I've been told) so it could just be me that can't remember everyone.

[AZGrizFan]

You don't post enough on the Poli Board for me to know it was TIC.

That made me look at the profiles on the right - I joined this board the day before you and I've amassed a whopping 427 posts!

I've lurked here long enough to have a feel for the regulars, but sometimes forget that none of you would have any idea about me.

All we need to know is you're a cat booster. We automatically know, then, that your IQ < 70.

[93henfan]

<snip> old news

[Ibanez]

Stickybunz is right this whole thing is Trumps fault, his open borders policy is insane. He should have built a wall or something, what an asshole

I said this is Trump's fault? Wow. Who would've known.

Oh wait. I didn't. You're a liar.

[SDHornet]

MLB, NHL, and Formula 1 all suspend operations.

I didn't see that announcement. Was looking forward to Australia this Sunday.

[Ibanez]

Giving the news/updates/information is one thing. Having experts on to talk about it and what could be expected here based off what's happened in other countries is one thing (and it's good).

Telling people that your lives will change, " You can no longer do what you want, when you want, how you want and with whatever means you have", to me, sparks panic. Especially when it's repeated over and over. You aren't sounding the alarm. Cuomo did that last night after the address. Yes, we all realize that something serious is happening here. Forget about comparing it to the flu, something is happening and it's having an incredible impact on our society. As I said previously, I think the matter of fact manor in which Dr. Fauci gave us information the other day was the way to go. He wasn't emotional about it. At least that is how I perceive it.

And again, Trump did better than I expected last night. He was a bit robotic and clearly can't read from a teleprompter. But he sounded sober. Better late than never. I think his response to tell everyone "within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero" was extremely stupid. Calm people down, be factual and not hyperbolic.

Good lord your expectations were low. Shows how badly Trump performs under pressure.

The bar is so low that the only way he could've exceeded them is if he just sat in silence for 10 minutes.

[93henfan]

MLB, NHL, and Formula 1 all suspend operations.

I didn't see that announcement. Was looking forward to Australia this Sunday.

Yeah man, I was jonesing for some F1 racing. BBC and Sky Sports have announced, attributing senior officials. F1 has not announced.

[89Hen]

So we're going to be stuck at home with no sports to watch.

PGA Tour going on, but all spectators banned for rest of Players Championship this weekend. I have a buddy there today.

[Ivytalk]

Might as well furlough everyone on ESPN for a month.

Oh, well, I have a stack of good books to read!

[catbooster]

That made me look at the profiles on the right - I joined this board the day before you and I've amassed a whopping 427 posts!

I've lurked here long enough to have a feel for the regulars, but sometimes forget that none of you would have any idea about me.

All we need to know is you're a cat booster. We automatically know, then, that your IQ < 70.

Too bad we didn't do the avatar bets on Cat/Griz the last few years.