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The Wopage is strong in this:

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[kalm]

The Wopage is strong in this:

That’s pretty damn cool.

[Skjellyfetti]

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3 weeks ago...

[SDHornet]

What's next, Russia is our greatest ally?

[89Hen]

The Wopage is strong in this:

That’s pretty damn cool.

Don't be fooled, that is chemtrails which will eliminate all living things.

[UNI88]

China still being China:


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/worl ... ticleShare

Let me save some of you some time and ink (and maybe a 1000 word screed from StOCDonge)... Trump does it too


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Do I need to BDK you CID?

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[CID1990]

China still being China:


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/worl ... ticleShare

Let me save some of you some time and ink (and maybe a 1000 word screed from StOCDonge)... Trump does it too


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Do I need to BDK you CID?

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Just making sure nobody gets butthurt if I talk about officials other than Trump spreading conspiracy theories

[UNI88]

Do I need to BDK you CID?

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Just making sure nobody gets butthurt if I talk about officials other than Trump spreading conspiracy theories

NP. I linked to the same article earlier in the thread.

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[CID1990]

Just making sure nobody gets butthurt if I talk about officials other than Trump spreading conspiracy theories

NP. I linked to the same article earlier in the thread.

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My bad

[93henfan]

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[ALPHAGRIZ1]

And the last state without a confirmed case is....West Virginia...

Alaska is still showing on the John Hopkins arcgis site as having no case, but yesterday they confirmed a international cargo pilot landed in Anchorage with symptoms and has been treated & remains in Alaska in quarantine.

1 case:
-N Dakota
-Idaho
-Alaska

-Wyoming 2 cases
-Montana had 1 case up until today, but now showing 5.

States most cases as of right now (argis site)
Washington: 572
New York: 525
California: 340 (+ 21 Grand Princess)
Mass: 138
Colorado: 101

Most of the rest of the states showing a handful to a few doz..

Huh all states that love open borders. Fuck em they deserve it

[JohnStOnge]

This is a 50 page thread and I don't want to look through it to find discussion of what I'm going to mention. If you guys discussed it some and have an idea as to which page or pages to look at let me know. It's this:

What do you think of the fact that the Trump Administration eliminated the National Security Council Directorate of Global Health Security in 2018? I saw an interview with a woman who headed it during the Obama Administration. She said that had that Directorate been in place we'd have been doing the kinds of things we are doing now a couple of months ago. Do you think it's just a political enemy taking a shot? Or do you think there is something to the idea that it was good to emphasize pandemic monitoring and response by having a unit devoted to that within the National Security Council?

Me, I'll just say that it doesn't look real good right now to have eliminated that Directorate. Also, I should say that it was Bolton who did it.

[JohnStOnge]

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3 weeks ago...

So far I have restrained myself on how the Trump Administration has handled the messaging on this to at least some extent. But let's face it: It hasn't worked out well. They definitely took a "this is no big deal" approach to this early on. Maybe I would have too. I hope I'd have enough sense not to do that even if I was thinking maybe it was no big deal but maybe I wouldn't have. Regardless, we have gone from having them say this is no big deal to declaring a national emergency now. And we've got obvious case studies in Italy and Spain showing that it's a big deal.

About 45% of the population is in the cult and will say Trump is doing a good job on whatever the situation is no matter how obvious it is that he's not. But I think at this point the Administration has a real credibility problem with the majority of the population.

[JohnStOnge]

Update: As of now the United States has the highest cases per million population rate among nations in the Americas. USA, at 10.2, has moved past Panama at 10.0. Canada, which did not implement a China travel ban, is at 8.4.

[Gil Dobie]

I watched CNN for the word from the White House. After that was over the news ends and the Trump bashing began. We know he's an idiot, I want to hear news about COVID 19, not about beating the dead horse Trump bashing. HINT TO JSO.

[93henfan]

I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure this is all Trump's fault.

[Pwns]

This is a 50 page thread and I don't want to look through it to find discussion of what I'm going to mention. If you guys discussed it some and have an idea as to which page or pages to look at let me know. It's this:

What do you think of the fact that the Trump Administration eliminated the National Security Council Directorate of Global Health Security in 2018? I saw an interview with a woman who headed it during the Obama Administration. She said that had that Directorate been in place we'd have been doing the kinds of things we are doing now a couple of months ago. Do you think it's just a political enemy taking a shot? Or do you think there is something to the idea that it was good to emphasize pandemic monitoring and response by having a unit devoted to that within the National Security Council?

Me, I'll just say that it doesn't look real good right now to have eliminated that Directorate. Also, I should say that it was Bolton who did it.

Sounds like something libertarian JSO would support.

[JohnStOnge]

I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure this is all Trump's fault.

It is not Trump's fault. But there is a legitimate question as to whether we'd be in better position right now if his Administration hadn't removed the effort to monitor and respond to potential pandemics from the National Security Council and there is also a legitimate question as to whether he erred in starting off by saying thins like "“And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”

That was on February 26. Ironically, that was the date of the Boston Biogen conference. About 175 people attended and as of the latest info I can find more than 104 cases have been linked to that conference. I say "more than 104" because the 104 cases are in Massachusetts and there are additional cases among attendees who went back to other States as well as some foreign nations after the conference. Right now I can't find specific numbers on those.

Anyway, there are legitimate questions as to Trump's handling of the situation and I don't think the line about him stopping travel from China really covers him. He acted like that would do the trick and it obviously did not. Further, had people on his staff been doing their homework as to the opinions of epidemiologists and research on such measures they would have KNOWN that it would not do the trick.

[AshevilleApp]

I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure this is all Trump's fault.

Nope, it's Obama's fault. Trump said so.

[Ibanez]

And now the Fed has cut the interest rate to Zero.


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[JohnStOnge]

This is a 50 page thread and I don't want to look through it to find discussion of what I'm going to mention. If you guys discussed it some and have an idea as to which page or pages to look at let me know. It's this:

What do you think of the fact that the Trump Administration eliminated the National Security Council Directorate of Global Health Security in 2018? I saw an interview with a woman who headed it during the Obama Administration. She said that had that Directorate been in place we'd have been doing the kinds of things we are doing now a couple of months ago. Do you think it's just a political enemy taking a shot? Or do you think there is something to the idea that it was good to emphasize pandemic monitoring and response by having a unit devoted to that within the National Security Council?

Me, I'll just say that it doesn't look real good right now to have eliminated that Directorate. Also, I should say that it was Bolton who did it.

Sounds like something libertarian JSO would support.

Is there some reason why you think a Libertarian shouldn't support having a unit within the National Security Council to monitor for potential pandemics and respond to evidence that they are emerging?

Yes I can see lots of potential for Libertarian objection to strategies that might be considered. But don't see any problem with having experts in place to emphasize potential for pandemics as a national security matter. We can cross bridges associated with encroaching on individual Liberty as we get to them.

BTW I watched a CNN documentary last night and there was this part where people went into a community at night and forcibly administered smallpox vaccinations. The community objected to such vaccination on a religious basis. They kept knocking out smallpox in the rest of India but it kept coming back because this community was a reservoir. So they flipping did a vaccination assault and gave them vaccinations whether they liked it or not.

Googled around and found out stuff like that was done in the United States too:

Now, if we get to that point there would be some personal liberty issues.