Coronavirus COVID-19

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[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I can't believe all these distilleries are going to profit off of making hand sanitizer............


#MoralityPolice

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[Gil Dobie]

Minnesota is 2nd to Washington with 24 recovered so far.

[dbackjon]

If businesses are getting billions, why shouldn't the workers get some benefit?
If airlines are getting bailed out, why SHOULDN'T we hold them to be more accountable
If Businesses are getting debt relief, why SHOULDN'T Americans?

Sounds like you want businesses to reap all the rewards, not ordinary Americans.

Stop it, you're just a parrot when you say stuff like that.

We've taken government action that directly harms these businesses and workers - we told companies to close their doors and stop doing business, we told airlines they can't fly anymore. This isn't that they planned poorly - what business can operate shuttered, for months at a time, and still pay all of their employees salary and health care? Again, like with kalmie, just calling them "businesses" and "corporations" hides the fact that all of these entities are made of workers. The airlines all founder, that's workers who suffer.

This should be easy - make people whole. We told everyone to shut their doors and don't work. All we have to do is cover the payrolls and debt service (or just freeze debt payments) until we let them open their doors again.

But why should we make them whole without conditions? Why shouldn't we require steps to prevent them from blowing it on unrelated items?

You need to wake up, Dude. The GOP TaxScam has put the country in financial peril, and yet you want to repeat those mistakes.

[BDKJMU]

I can't believe all these distilleries are going to profit off of making hand sanitizer............


#MoralityPolice

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The ones I've read about are giving it away. Kudos to them.

Of course, if they sell it for ballpark market price, nothing wrong with that.

[BDKJMU]

Minnesota is 2nd to Washington with 24 recovered so far.

What about all those that never got tested, never knew they had it, or thought they had the regular flu or cold, and recovered?

[Gil Dobie]

Minnesota is 2nd to Washington with 24 recovered so far.

What about all those that never got tested, never knew they had it, or thought they had the regular flu or cold, and recovered?

I'm only going by the stats we have. I know about the 11 x scenario, or how every many times they think.

[AZGrizFan]

Stop it, you're just a parrot when you say stuff like that.

We've taken government action that directly harms these businesses and workers - we told companies to close their doors and stop doing business, we told airlines they can't fly anymore. This isn't that they planned poorly - what business can operate shuttered, for months at a time, and still pay all of their employees salary and health care? Again, like with kalmie, just calling them "businesses" and "corporations" hides the fact that all of these entities are made of workers. The airlines all founder, that's workers who suffer.

This should be easy - make people whole. We told everyone to shut their doors and don't work. All we have to do is cover the payrolls and debt service (or just freeze debt payments) until we let them open their doors again.

But why should we make them whole without conditions? Why shouldn't we require steps to prevent them from blowing it on unrelated items?

You need to wake up, Dude. The GOP TaxScam has put the country in financial peril, and yet you want to repeat those mistakes.

[kalm]

Stop it, you're just a parrot when you say stuff like that.

We've taken government action that directly harms these businesses and workers - we told companies to close their doors and stop doing business, we told airlines they can't fly anymore. This isn't that they planned poorly - what business can operate shuttered, for months at a time, and still pay all of their employees salary and health care? Again, like with kalmie, just calling them "businesses" and "corporations" hides the fact that all of these entities are made of workers. The airlines all founder, that's workers who suffer.

This should be easy - make people whole. We told everyone to shut their doors and don't work. All we have to do is cover the payrolls and debt service (or just freeze debt payments) until we let them open their doors again.

But why should we make them whole without conditions? Why shouldn't we require steps to prevent them from blowing it on unrelated items?

You need to wake up, Dude. The GOP TaxScam has put the country in financial peril, and yet you want to repeat those mistakes.

Can we lump small businesses in with the people here? Inslee has scheduled a presser tonight and I’m guessing Shelter in Pkace orders. Tough to maintain a golf course and be ready to re-open when you have no revenue to pay people. Without small business bailouts this will further entrench large scale chains.

[HI54UNI]

Democrats holding up the relief bill with poison pills that have nothing to do with the Chinese Virus.
-new collective bargaining powers for unions.
-higher fuel emissions standards for airlines.
-expanded wind and solar tax credits.
-eliminating up to 10k per person student loan debt.

If businesses are getting billions, why shouldn't the workers get some benefit?
If airlines are getting bailed out, why SHOULDN'T we hold them to be more accountable
If Businesses are getting debt relief, why SHOULDN'T Americans?

Sounds like you want businesses to reap all the rewards, not ordinary Americans.

Don't the workers benefit by the companies remaining open so they get paychecks?

[GannonFan]

Stop it, you're just a parrot when you say stuff like that.

We've taken government action that directly harms these businesses and workers - we told companies to close their doors and stop doing business, we told airlines they can't fly anymore. This isn't that they planned poorly - what business can operate shuttered, for months at a time, and still pay all of their employees salary and health care? Again, like with kalmie, just calling them "businesses" and "corporations" hides the fact that all of these entities are made of workers. The airlines all founder, that's workers who suffer.

This should be easy - make people whole. We told everyone to shut their doors and don't work. All we have to do is cover the payrolls and debt service (or just freeze debt payments) until we let them open their doors again.

But why should we make them whole without conditions? Why shouldn't we require steps to prevent them from blowing it on unrelated items?

You need to wake up, Dude. The GOP TaxScam has put the country in financial peril, and yet you want to repeat those mistakes.

First of all, this is supposed to be a Covid-19 related relief bailout, correct? We're in a pretty dire economic situation because of the virus. You really are beyond transparent when you can't even stop yourself from throwing in a completely unrelated partisan screed like your "GOP TaxScam" bit.

Second, I never said we shouldn't attach conditions to the relief. Especially if they are protections to make sure the relief is actually used for relief, then we should do that. Again, this problem didn't start because of a bad economy, or because people in the economy took bad risks - this started because the Chinese (apologies if any offended, so maybe just "some people in China") had lax health and safety standards in a wet market in Wuhan and a particularly contagious virus developed. Businesses and workers (they are a tandem) should not be punished because of extraordinary things out of their control and out of the normal economy - global pandemics are not terribly common. So give them the money to make them whole, and put guarantees in to make sure the money is spent properly in that pursuit - payrolls must be met, bills must be paid, the money can't be hidden and taken through bankruptcy, etc. This isn't hard and it shouldn't be controversial. But it does mean accepting that it's not business/politics as usual. To date, the politicians have failed us tremendously and are continuing to do so as they dither over this.

[Pwns]

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavl ... s-n2565543

Things Democrats want in their relief bill:

-Publication of corporate pay statistics by race and race statistics for all corporate boards
-A bail out on all current debt at the Postal Service
-Required early voting
-Required same day voter registration
-Provisions on official time for union collective bargaining
-Full offset of airline emissions by 2025
-Publication and reporting of greenhouse gas statistics for individual flights
-Retirement plans for community newspaper employees
-Federal $15 minimum wage
-Permanent paid leave

What the hell does most of this have to do with getting through the pandemic?
I think donks are going to pay a political price for this.

[AshevilleApp]

Hey stat geeks. What's the record for the longest thread on CS?

[Winterborn]

Some interesting data is now coming out and a pretty good idea/model can be drawn from this. Similar news is coming out in other reports as more and more research is being wrapped up and enough data is available that a reliable set of values can be inferred upon.

A study in Science last week estimated that 86 percent of all infections were undocumented in the early stages of China's epidemic, before the travel restrictions that the government imposed on January 23. In other words, the actual number of infections was roughly six times as high as the official number. If that holds true at this point in the United States, where about 41,000 cases have been confirmed so far, the actual number of infections right now would be nearly 250,000. The actual CFR would be 0.2 percent, compared to the current crude CFR of 1.2 percent.

That makes a huge difference in terms of projected deaths. The CDC's worst-case scenario, which assumes that containment and suppression efforts are largely unsuccessful, imagines 214 million infections (65 percent of the population) and 1.7 million deaths, which implies a CFR of 0.8 percent. If the true CFR were 0.2 percent, the number of deaths would instead be 428,000.

How likely is it that 65 percent of the U.S. population will be infected? The Science study estimates that the basic reproduction number for COVID-19—the average number of people a carrier could be expected to infect—was 2.4 prior to January 23, "indicating a high capacity for sustained transmission." During the period from January 24 through February 8, the researchers estimate, that number dropped to 0.99.

"In theory, COVID-19 could spread further and faster than flu," notes microbiologist Alex Berezow, vice president of scientific communications at the American Council on Science and Health. Yet so far, he says, "it doesn't appear to be doing that….Every year, up to 1 billion people around the world get influenza and about 300,000 to 500,000 will die. The average seasonal flu case-fatality rate is 0.1%. But the sheer volume of cases means that, in the U.S. alone, 22,000 to 55,000 Americans have already died of flu during the 2019-20 season."

https://reason.com/2020/03/23/two-reaso ... realistic/

[Winterborn]

Hey stat geeks. What's the record for the longest thread on CS?

The weather thread is at 288 pages.

[AZGrizFan]

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavl ... s-n2565543

Things Democrats want in their relief bill:

-Publication of corporate pay statistics by race and race statistics for all corporate boards
-A bail out on all current debt at the Postal Service
-Required early voting
-Required same day voter registration
-Provisions on official time for union collective bargaining
-Full offset of airline emissions by 2025
-Publication and reporting of greenhouse gas statistics for individual flights
-Retirement plans for community newspaper employees
-Federal $15 minimum wage
-Permanent paid leave

What the hell does most of this have to do with getting through the pandemic?
I think donks are going to pay a political price for this.

No, they won't. The current donk voter fully supports trying to cram shit like this into every bill that comes along. It's their wet dream to have the chance to try and slide some of this crap in....

[AZGrizFan]

Some interesting data is now coming out and a pretty good idea/model can be drawn from this. Similar news is coming out in other reports as more and more research is being wrapped up and enough data is available that a reliable set of values can be inferred upon.

A study in Science last week estimated that 86 percent of all infections were undocumented in the early stages of China's epidemic, before the travel restrictions that the government imposed on January 23. In other words, the actual number of infections was roughly six times as high as the official number. If that holds true at this point in the United States, where about 41,000 cases have been confirmed so far, the actual number of infections right now would be nearly 250,000. The actual CFR would be 0.2 percent, compared to the current crude CFR of 1.2 percent.

That makes a huge difference in terms of projected deaths. The CDC's worst-case scenario, which assumes that containment and suppression efforts are largely unsuccessful, imagines 214 million infections (65 percent of the population) and 1.7 million deaths, which implies a CFR of 0.8 percent. If the true CFR were 0.2 percent, the number of deaths would instead be 428,000.

How likely is it that 65 percent of the U.S. population will be infected? The Science study estimates that the basic reproduction number for COVID-19—the average number of people a carrier could be expected to infect—was 2.4 prior to January 23, "indicating a high capacity for sustained transmission." During the period from January 24 through February 8, the researchers estimate, that number dropped to 0.99.

"In theory, COVID-19 could spread further and faster than flu," notes microbiologist Alex Berezow, vice president of scientific communications at the American Council on Science and Health. Yet so far, he says, "it doesn't appear to be doing that….Every year, up to 1 billion people around the world get influenza and about 300,000 to 500,000 will die. The average seasonal flu case-fatality rate is 0.1%. But the sheer volume of cases means that, in the U.S. alone, 22,000 to 55,000 Americans have already died of flu during the 2019-20 season."

https://reason.com/2020/03/23/two-reaso ... realistic/

And yet, we're destroying our economy in the process of this pandemic.

[dbackjon]

But why should we make them whole without conditions? Why shouldn't we require steps to prevent them from blowing it on unrelated items?

You need to wake up, Dude. The GOP TaxScam has put the country in financial peril, and yet you want to repeat those mistakes.

You can continue to close your eyes to reality, but that doesn't change the fact that we gave away trillions, the companies for the most part wasted in worthless stockbuy backs and exec comp.

And nothing for the rest of us.

[dbackjon]

If businesses are getting billions, why shouldn't the workers get some benefit?
If airlines are getting bailed out, why SHOULDN'T we hold them to be more accountable
If Businesses are getting debt relief, why SHOULDN'T Americans?

Sounds like you want businesses to reap all the rewards, not ordinary Americans.

Don't the workers benefit by the companies remaining open so they get paychecks?

That is part of what the Dems want to guarantee - that the bailouts will go to keep workers employed.

[dbackjon]

Some interesting data is now coming out and a pretty good idea/model can be drawn from this. Similar news is coming out in other reports as more and more research is being wrapped up and enough data is available that a reliable set of values can be inferred upon.





https://reason.com/2020/03/23/two-reaso ... realistic/

And yet, we're destroying our economy in the process of this pandemic.

If we don't control it, it will destroy the economy anyways.

[AZGrizFan]

Don't the workers benefit by the companies remaining open so they get paychecks?

That is part of what the Dems want to guarantee - that the bailouts will go to keep workers employed.

Along with all this other super important stuff right now:

- Publication of corporate pay statistics by race and race statistics for all corporate boards
-A bail out on all current debt at the Postal Service
-Required early voting
-Required same day voter registration
-Provisions on official time for union collective bargaining
-Full offset of airline emissions by 2025
-Publication and reporting of greenhouse gas statistics for individual flights
-Retirement plans for community newspaper employees
-Federal $15 minimum wage
-Permanent paid leave

If I were a Dem right now I'd be fucking embarrassed.

[AZGrizFan]

And yet, we're destroying our economy in the process of this pandemic.

If we don't control it, it will destroy the economy anyways.

No, it won't. Just like SARS, H1N1, Ebola, etc., etc., etc.....NONE of this shit was required, and none of them destroyed our economy.

We are literally sacrificing our country and our freedoms and our way of life for a few thousand people, most of whom would have probably just as likely died had they contracted the flu this season.

[Pwns]

Some interesting data is now coming out and a pretty good idea/model can be drawn from this. Similar news is coming out in other reports as more and more research is being wrapped up and enough data is available that a reliable set of values can be inferred upon.

A study in Science last week estimated that 86 percent of all infections were undocumented in the early stages of China's epidemic, before the travel restrictions that the government imposed on January 23. In other words, the actual number of infections was roughly six times as high as the official number. If that holds true at this point in the United States, where about 41,000 cases have been confirmed so far, the actual number of infections right now would be nearly 250,000. The actual CFR would be 0.2 percent, compared to the current crude CFR of 1.2 percent.

That makes a huge difference in terms of projected deaths. The CDC's worst-case scenario, which assumes that containment and suppression efforts are largely unsuccessful, imagines 214 million infections (65 percent of the population) and 1.7 million deaths, which implies a CFR of 0.8 percent. If the true CFR were 0.2 percent, the number of deaths would instead be 428,000.

How likely is it that 65 percent of the U.S. population will be infected? The Science study estimates that the basic reproduction number for COVID-19—the average number of people a carrier could be expected to infect—was 2.4 prior to January 23, "indicating a high capacity for sustained transmission." During the period from January 24 through February 8, the researchers estimate, that number dropped to 0.99.

"In theory, COVID-19 could spread further and faster than flu," notes microbiologist Alex Berezow, vice president of scientific communications at the American Council on Science and Health. Yet so far, he says, "it doesn't appear to be doing that….Every year, up to 1 billion people around the world get influenza and about 300,000 to 500,000 will die. The average seasonal flu case-fatality rate is 0.1%. But the sheer volume of cases means that, in the U.S. alone, 22,000 to 55,000 Americans have already died of flu during the 2019-20 season."

https://reason.com/2020/03/23/two-reaso ... realistic/

A CFR of 0.2%. You mean like....like...like....the flu?

[dbackjon]

If we don't control it, it will destroy the economy anyways.

No, it won't. Just like SARS, H1N1, Ebola, etc., etc., etc.....NONE of this shit was required, and none of them destroyed our economy.

We are literally sacrificing our country and our freedoms and our way of life for a few thousand people, most of whom would have probably just as likely died had they contracted the flu this season.

You still don't get it, do you.

[UNI88]

Don't the workers benefit by the companies remaining open so they get paychecks?

That is part of what the Dems want to guarantee - that the bailouts will go to keep workers employed.

The Dems could take the high ground on this if they focused on protecting workers but they've added so many unrelated requirements to the bailout that they've proven once again that they're just as bad as the Republicans.