Where are the Masks?

[JohnStOnge]

How's that Wall coming along?

Still trying to figure out why a shortage of masks is the government’s fault.

Because this was not someone nobody expected and not something nobody warned political leaders about.

[AZGrizFan]

In my industry we are required to have a business continuity plan that includes scenarios up to and including a "black swan" event such as this. When this shit broke, our executive team got together, dusted off the business continuity plan, turned to the Pandemic Response (yes, there's a section just for things such as this), and began going through the steps.

As a hospital administrator, are they not required to have such plans in place? In the event of a wide-scale pandemic (of which there's been one about every two years) they're not required to be adequately prepared for that? Somehow it's the government's responsibility to TELL them something is coming?

That is completely illogical.

[Gil Dobie]

Buddy from Korea is sending another 10,000 mask over to his family in S. Korea. Lesser quality mask than what the hospitals are looking for.

[HI54UNI]

In my industry we are required to have a business continuity plan that includes scenarios up to and including a "black swan" event such as this. When this shit broke, our executive team got together, dusted off the business continuity plan, turned to the Pandemic Response (yes, there's a section just for things such as this), and began going through the steps.

As a hospital administrator, are they not required to have such plans in place? In the event of a wide-scale pandemic (of which there's been one about every two years) they're not required to be adequately prepared for that? Somehow it's the government's responsibility to TELL them something is coming?

That is completely illogical.

My guess is the problem with hospitals is nobody checks their plans. Do you have so show your plan to your CU examiners?

My wife works at the local hospital and their response would be laughable if it wasn't sad and dangerous at the same time. If something happens to Mrs. HI5 due to management's ineptitude there's going to be hell to pay.

[AZGrizFan]

Still trying to figure out why a shortage of masks is the government’s fault.

Because this was not someone nobody expected and not something nobody warned political leaders about.

English. It’s hard.

[CID1990]

Worst thing Nixon ever did, and he had some doozies.

Can’t we also blame our trade policy since Nixon?

Yes

Where China is concerned, trade and foreign policy are completely enmeshed. Each one is the other


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[CID1990]

What, they didn't take a cycle count since 2010? What kind of inventory management is that? Surely we should've realized this at some point since January 2017?

Don't worry the government is on it!

They fix everyone's problems

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I love you Alfie

I used to love Clitz but now you have filled the void he left in my heart


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[Ivytalk]

Still trying to figure out why a shortage of masks is the government’s fault.

Because this was not someone nobody expected and not something nobody warned political leaders about.

You into the Cajun hooch again, bro? Even less intelligible than usual.

And who’s that asshole in your avatar?

[CID1990]

Good for them and the rest who are chipping in

That said, the material used to make the actually effective masks (blown fiber) is in short supply

But these’ll do in a pinch


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[Winterborn]

In my industry we are required to have a business continuity plan that includes scenarios up to and including a "black swan" event such as this. When this shit broke, our executive team got together, dusted off the business continuity plan, turned to the Pandemic Response (yes, there's a section just for things such as this), and began going through the steps.

As a hospital administrator, are they not required to have such plans in place? In the event of a wide-scale pandemic (of which there's been one about every two years) they're not required to be adequately prepared for that? Somehow it's the government's responsibility to TELL them something is coming?

That is completely illogical.

We are not required to have one (that I know of) but there is one in place. I found out about it as my boss mentioned it during a meeting we had today as they have daily staff sitreps with the Global VP of our division.

[SDHornet]

In my industry we are required to have a business continuity plan that includes scenarios up to and including a "black swan" event such as this. When this shit broke, our executive team got together, dusted off the business continuity plan, turned to the Pandemic Response (yes, there's a section just for things such as this), and began going through the steps.

As a hospital administrator, are they not required to have such plans in place? In the event of a wide-scale pandemic (of which there's been one about every two years) they're not required to be adequately prepared for that? Somehow it's the government's responsibility to TELL them something is coming?

That is completely illogical.

Yep, we have one too. It's out dated but I believe upper management went through the steps.

[BDKJMU]

Todays press conference, Pence said 8 million N95 masks and
13.3 million surgical masks enroute from FEMA to the states.

Past 96 hrs FEMA has received donations of 6.5 million masks.

[SeattleGriz]

Yeps. Obama's fault..

And Trump's administration did nothing to fix the problem in the 3+ years he's been in office. There is plenty of blame to go around.

Next time someone else uses all the toilet paper and you are left without, remember you share some of the blame!

Just teasing.

[Winterborn]

Todays press conference, Pence said 8 million N95 masks and
13.3 million surgical masks enroute from FEMA to the states.

Past 96 hrs FEMA has received donations of 6.5 million masks.

The 3m plant is in Aberdeen, SD and they shipped out 2 million N95 masks last week that they had in storage.

[Ibanez]

In my industry we are required to have a business continuity plan that includes scenarios up to and including a "black swan" event such as this. When this shit broke, our executive team got together, dusted off the business continuity plan, turned to the Pandemic Response (yes, there's a section just for things such as this), and began going through the steps.

As a hospital administrator, are they not required to have such plans in place? In the event of a wide-scale pandemic (of which there's been one about every two years) they're not required to be adequately prepared for that? Somehow it's the government's responsibility to TELL them something is coming?

That is completely illogical.

They do. My sister is an RN and an administrator for the Surgical Trauma ICU at the Medical University of South Carolina. They even set up a drive thru testing facility within a couple of days of the 1st confirmed case in SC, before states like NY or CA had them set up. I think the issue is that with hospitals, it's a tough sell to have expensive equipment like ventilators in storage just in case a pandemic hits. The lack of masks and PPE is a valid argument and hopefully when all this settles hospital systems in our country will begin to keep many in reserve.

And don't get me started on BCP. I think some of the MRAs I've seen against BCP are because the regulators don't understand the function of InfoSec.

[Ibanez]

Todays press conference, Pence said 8 million N95 masks and
13.3 million surgical masks enroute from FEMA to the states.

Past 96 hrs FEMA has received donations of 6.5 million masks.

There are a lot of people out there sewing masks and sending them to hospitals. My wife and her friends in Houston and Charlotte have all gotten together to do just this. It's better than nothing.


Btw, BDK - how many N95 masks did you buy before this shit went south?

[Ibanez]

In my industry we are required to have a business continuity plan that includes scenarios up to and including a "black swan" event such as this. When this shit broke, our executive team got together, dusted off the business continuity plan, turned to the Pandemic Response (yes, there's a section just for things such as this), and began going through the steps.

As a hospital administrator, are they not required to have such plans in place? In the event of a wide-scale pandemic (of which there's been one about every two years) they're not required to be adequately prepared for that? Somehow it's the government's responsibility to TELL them something is coming?

That is completely illogical.

We are not required to have one (that I know of) but there is one in place. I found out about it as my boss mentioned it during a meeting we had today as they have daily staff sitreps with the Global VP of our division.

Do you have federal regulators constantly auditing you?

[Ibanez]

In my industry we are required to have a business continuity plan that includes scenarios up to and including a "black swan" event such as this. When this shit broke, our executive team got together, dusted off the business continuity plan, turned to the Pandemic Response (yes, there's a section just for things such as this), and began going through the steps.

As a hospital administrator, are they not required to have such plans in place? In the event of a wide-scale pandemic (of which there's been one about every two years) they're not required to be adequately prepared for that? Somehow it's the government's responsibility to TELL them something is coming?

That is completely illogical.

My guess is the problem with hospitals is nobody checks their plans. Do you have so show your plan to your CU examiners?

My wife works at the local hospital and their response would be laughable if it wasn't sad and dangerous at the same time. If something happens to Mrs. HI5 due to management's ineptitude there's going to be hell to pay.

I work for a bank, but yes. We are regularly audited by the Gov't on our BCP.

[Winterborn]

We are not required to have one (that I know of) but there is one in place. I found out about it as my boss mentioned it during a meeting we had today as they have daily staff sitreps with the Global VP of our division.

Do you have federal regulators constantly auditing you?

No. But we do carry several company wide ISO certifications in our manufacturing and testing facilities that are audited on a 2 year rotational basis. The little bit I have looked into what that all entails in the past, I didn't see anything in there, but I wasn't looking that close. And I have no idea what the 'plan" was/is, it could of been just a note that said call a meeting of all the relevant parties and x-consultant to discuss options.

[GannonFan]

Do you have federal regulators constantly auditing you?

No. But we do carry several company wide ISO certifications in our manufacturing and testing facilities that are audited on a 2 year rotational basis. The little bit I have looked into what that all entails in the past, I didn't see anything in there, but I wasn't looking that close. And I have no idea what the 'plan" was/is, it could of been just a note that said call a meeting of all the relevant parties and x-consultant to discuss options.

Our ISO certs are site specific, and we certainly have BCP's in place. As to how good they are is another question, but one positive outcome of this is that going forward, at least for the next few years, auditors will be tasked with looking more closely at BCP's and ensuring that they are actually something more than just words on a page.

[Winterborn]

No. But we do carry several company wide ISO certifications in our manufacturing and testing facilities that are audited on a 2 year rotational basis. The little bit I have looked into what that all entails in the past, I didn't see anything in there, but I wasn't looking that close. And I have no idea what the 'plan" was/is, it could of been just a note that said call a meeting of all the relevant parties and x-consultant to discuss options.

Our ISO certs are site specific, and we certainly have BCP's in place. As to how good they are is another question, but one positive outcome of this is that going forward, at least for the next few years, auditors will be tasked with looking more closely at BCP's and ensuring that they are actually something more than just words on a page.

Hopefully the "lessons learned" portion of this "project" are actually put into place.

[AZGrizFan]

In my industry we are required to have a business continuity plan that includes scenarios up to and including a "black swan" event such as this. When this shit broke, our executive team got together, dusted off the business continuity plan, turned to the Pandemic Response (yes, there's a section just for things such as this), and began going through the steps.

As a hospital administrator, are they not required to have such plans in place? In the event of a wide-scale pandemic (of which there's been one about every two years) they're not required to be adequately prepared for that? Somehow it's the government's responsibility to TELL them something is coming?

That is completely illogical.

They do. My sister is an RN and an administrator for the Surgical Trauma ICU at the Medical University of South Carolina. They even set up a drive thru testing facility within a couple of days of the 1st confirmed case in SC, before states like NY or CA had them set up. I think the issue is that with hospitals, it's a tough sell to have expensive equipment like ventilators in storage just in case a pandemic hits. The lack of masks and PPE is a valid argument and hopefully when all this settles hospital systems in our country will begin to keep many in reserve.

And don't get me started on BCP. I think some of the MRAs I've seen against BCP are because the regulators don't understand the function of InfoSec.

"Tough sell". I say bullshit. We (my company) spend MILLIONS each year on compliance, duplicate systems, redundancies, etc., etc. just so we can be prepared for shit like this.

Mismanagement and then blaming the government. It's become the American way. Perhaps the DOH&HS (or whatever gov't entity oversees this shit) needs to get their shit together and start auditing hospitals to make sure they're prepared for the bi-annual pandemic that seems to sweep the globe.

[Ibanez]

They do. My sister is an RN and an administrator for the Surgical Trauma ICU at the Medical University of South Carolina. They even set up a drive thru testing facility within a couple of days of the 1st confirmed case in SC, before states like NY or CA had them set up. I think the issue is that with hospitals, it's a tough sell to have expensive equipment like ventilators in storage just in case a pandemic hits. The lack of masks and PPE is a valid argument and hopefully when all this settles hospital systems in our country will begin to keep many in reserve.

And don't get me started on BCP. I think some of the MRAs I've seen against BCP are because the regulators don't understand the function of InfoSec.

"Tough sell". I say bullshit. We (my company) spend MILLIONS each year on compliance, duplicate systems, redundancies, etc., etc. just so we can be prepared for shit like this.

Mismanagement and then blaming the government. It's become the American way. Perhaps the DOH&HS (or whatever gov't entity oversees this shit) needs to get their shit together and start auditing hospitals to make sure they're prepared for the bi-annual pandemic that seems to sweep the globe.

I guess the point is how can you prepare for a pandemic when you don't know what you'll need in terms of equipment and technology? Do you really think hospitals should just have dozens of ventilators held in reserve or something? If you think healthcare costs are high now, wait til you have to pay more for that shit. Again, I''m talking equipment, not protective gear. I agree that protective gear can be held in reserve and the cost is much more minimal as compared to MRI machines and ventilators.

We (the bank) have redundancies as well, but they don't sit still waiting for something, they are actively used until something has to fail over or whatever the case is.

[AZGrizFan]

"Tough sell". I say bullshit. We (my company) spend MILLIONS each year on compliance, duplicate systems, redundancies, etc., etc. just so we can be prepared for shit like this.

Mismanagement and then blaming the government. It's become the American way. Perhaps the DOH&HS (or whatever gov't entity oversees this shit) needs to get their shit together and start auditing hospitals to make sure they're prepared for the bi-annual pandemic that seems to sweep the globe.

I guess the point is how can you prepare for a pandemic when you don't know what you'll need in terms of equipment and technology? Do you really think hospitals should just have dozens of ventilators held in reserve or something? If you think healthcare costs are high now, wait til you have to pay more for that shit. Again, I''m talking equipment, not protective gear. I agree that protective gear can be held in reserve and the cost is much more minimal as compared to MRI machines and ventilators.

We (the bank) have redundancies as well, but they don't sit still waiting for something, they are actively used until something has to fail over or whatever the case is.

We have redundant core systems. At the cost of millions of dollars per year. Sitting there going unused for the most part, waiting for something "bad" to happen. Is it right for a hospital to just expect the "system" to suddenly shit ventilators at a moment's notice when it needs them en masse?

[Ibanez]

I guess the point is how can you prepare for a pandemic when you don't know what you'll need in terms of equipment and technology? Do you really think hospitals should just have dozens of ventilators held in reserve or something? If you think healthcare costs are high now, wait til you have to pay more for that shit. Again, I''m talking equipment, not protective gear. I agree that protective gear can be held in reserve and the cost is much more minimal as compared to MRI machines and ventilators.

We (the bank) have redundancies as well, but they don't sit still waiting for something, they are actively used until something has to fail over or whatever the case is.

We have redundant core systems. At the cost of millions of dollars per year. Sitting there going unused for the most part, waiting for something "bad" to happen. Is it right for a hospital to just expect the "system" to suddenly shit ventilators at a moment's notice when it needs them en masse?

I'm curious, what systems exactly? If it's the cloud, then I see your point. But a lot of tech can be dual purpose or used at low capacity in case you have to fail over to it. I just finished an RTO/RPO project this year and which is centered around this very subject. I'm also not naive enough to think that the way we are doing it is the best (we're better than some of our competitors.)