Convicted Little Girl Fucker Claims To Be Prophet..

[Grizalltheway]

Whether they consider the fringe christian aint the point. They are imposters who are ruining our country (religious fundamentalist takeover of the republican party and the white house) and ruining christianity. Progressive liberals have limited ability to counter. Rational christians and catholics can do a world of good by being more active in condemnation.

I will respect your position that the should actively condemn them. I will disagree with the requirement to do so because I think it will be meaningleass and probably only lead to further criticism that they should do more when there is really nothing they can do.

My larger issue was with my buddy and pal cleets who compared their inaction to Islamic radicals. Way to many big differences. I realize that many people were calling for Islamist in this country to criticize the radicals which I thought would have meant about as much as what you are asking christians to do. Make everybody feel better, accomplish nothing. The issue with radical islamist is their governments were protecting them and possibly encouraging them. Two totally different issues.

I agree that Islamic governments who support and/or harbor terrorists are a totally different issue. But, the group I was referring to is the moderate Muslims (yes, they do exist) who do condemn the radical factions of their faith, but have no real power to stop them. I believe Cleets was referring to them as well.

[AZGrizFan]

Yeah, because NOBODY goes on the air and condemns these guys, or the Phelps family "church", or Warren Jeffs, etc., etc., etc. Me thinks you won't be happy until you've heard from EVERY Christian.

I think I've figured out what your problem is: You can't differentiate between a religion and a cult.

Not really Z. Do you remember the Pope taking a shot at Islamic fundamentalism not too long ago?

Nope. I don't pay much attention to religion these days.

[OL FU]

I will respect your position that the should actively condemn them. I will disagree with the requirement to do so because I think it will be meaningleass and probably only lead to further criticism that they should do more when there is really nothing they can do.

My larger issue was with my buddy and pal cleets who compared their inaction to Islamic radicals. Way to many big differences. I realize that many people were calling for Islamist in this country to criticize the radicals which I thought would have meant about as much as what you are asking christians to do. Make everybody feel better, accomplish nothing. The issue with radical islamist is their governments were protecting them and possibly encouraging them. Two totally different issues.

I agree that Islamic governments who support and/or harbor terrorists are a totally different issue. But, the group I was referring to is the moderate Muslims (yes, they do exist) who do condemn the radical factions of their faith, but have no real power to stop them. I believe Cleets was referring to them as well.

And the same situation exists with the ability of moderate christians to stop nutcases parading as christians. None.

[Grizalltheway]

I agree that Islamic governments who support and/or harbor terrorists are a totally different issue. But, the group I was referring to is the moderate Muslims (yes, they do exist) who do condemn the radical factions of their faith, but have no real power to stop them. I believe Cleets was referring to them as well.

And the same situation exists with the ability of moderate christians to stop nutcases parading as christians. None.

Yup.

Exactly. If you're a Muslim in Indonesia trying to scrape a living out of the dirt, you don't exactly have the means to stop the Taliban from doing the things they do. You can disagree with them and denounce them all you want (and a lot of them do), but beyond that...what? It's the same deal with this kinder ficker. I'm sure 99% of Christians disagreed vehemently with what he did, but they had no real way of stopping him

[D1B]

Whether they consider the fringe christian aint the point. They are imposters who are ruining our country (religious fundamentalist takeover of the republican party and the white house) and ruining christianity. Progressive liberals have limited ability to counter. Rational christians and catholics can do a world of good by being more active in condemnation.

Why should I have to clean up your mess? They are your political opponents. Your movement (which I also don't agre with) was their catalyst to form, organize, and become political on a national basis. You are flip sides of the same coin. Remember, for each action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Because liberal progressives cleaned up YOUR mess. Liberal progressives for the last 2000 years have challenged the authority and dogma of the church and changed it from an agent of murdurous tyranny to one of measurable philanthropic merit.

Your own admission, as unfortunate in future debates for you as it will be, that the bible is a crock of shit is the product of centuries of questioning, scientific inquiry and defiance of church nonsense, profiteering and brutality in the name of christ or god. Ironic, aint it? If you look objectively at the church, the true heros aint St. Jerome or St. Peter or the thousands of other manufactured "Saints" = NOPE - it's the progressives, the liberals, the atheists, the agnostics, the scientists, the women, the poor, the businessmen, the inventors, the philosophers - If it wasn't for them Joe, YOU and your church would still be burning people in the town square every Sunday after church.

Time to clean up your mess Joe...

[JoltinJoe]

Why should I have to clean up your mess? They are your political opponents. Your movement (which I also don't agre with) was their catalyst to form, organize, and become political on a national basis. You are flip sides of the same coin. Remember, for each action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Because liberal progressives cleaned up YOUR mess. Liberal progressives for the last 2000 years have challenged the authority and dogma of the church and changed it from an agent of murdurous tyranny to one of measurable philanthropic merit.

Your own admission, as unfortunate in future debates for you as it will be, that the bible is a crock of **** is the product of centuries of questioning, scientific inquiry and defiance of church nonsense, profiteering and brutality in the name of christ or god. Ironic, aint it? If you look objectively at the church, the true heros aint St. Jerome or St. Peter or the thousands of other manufactured "Saints" = NOPE - it's the progressives, the liberals, the atheists, the agnostics, the scientists, the women, the poor, the businessmen, the inventors, the philosophers - If it wasn't for them Joe, YOU and your church would still be burning people in the town square every Sunday after church.

Time to clean up your mess Joe...

About 1/2 of one percent of the people in the world believe what you just said is true. That makes you very special.

[D1B]

Because liberal progressives cleaned up YOUR mess. Liberal progressives for the last 2000 years have challenged the authority and dogma of the church and changed it from an agent of murdurous tyranny to one of measurable philanthropic merit.

Your own admission, as unfortunate in future debates for you as it will be, that the bible is a crock of **** is the product of centuries of questioning, scientific inquiry and defiance of church nonsense, profiteering and brutality in the name of christ or god. Ironic, aint it? If you look objectively at the church, the true heros aint St. Jerome or St. Peter or the thousands of other manufactured "Saints" = NOPE - it's the progressives, the liberals, the atheists, the agnostics, the scientists, the women, the poor, the businessmen, the inventors, the philosophers - If it wasn't for them Joe, YOU and your church would still be burning people in the town square every Sunday after church.

Time to clean up your mess Joe...

About 1/2 of one percent of the people in the world believe what you just said is true. That makes you very special.

What do you believe Joe?

[D1B]

Because liberal progressives cleaned up YOUR mess. Liberal progressives for the last 2000 years have challenged the authority and dogma of the church and changed it from an agent of murdurous tyranny to one of measurable philanthropic merit.

Your own admission, as unfortunate in future debates for you as it will be, that the bible is a crock of **** is the product of centuries of questioning, scientific inquiry and defiance of church nonsense, profiteering and brutality in the name of christ or god. Ironic, aint it? If you look objectively at the church, the true heros aint St. Jerome or St. Peter or the thousands of other manufactured "Saints" = NOPE - it's the progressives, the liberals, the atheists, the agnostics, the scientists, the women, the poor, the businessmen, the inventors, the philosophers - If it wasn't for them Joe, YOU and your church would still be burning people in the town square every Sunday after church.

Time to clean up your mess Joe...

About 1/2 of one percent of the people in the world believe what you just said is true. That makes you very special.

Really?

[JoltinJoe]

About 1/2 of one percent of the people in the world believe what you just said is true. That makes you very special.

Really?

Yes ... you are very special.

[clenz]

Consistent, fair and firm public commentary on their frequent blashemy. Simple stating their actions are inconsistent with the teachings of jesus christ, our lord savior and king of kings.

Yeah, because NOBODY goes on the air and condemns these guys, or the Phelps family "church", or Warren Jeffs, etc., etc., etc. Me thinks you won't be happy until you've heard from EVERY Christian.

I think I've figured out what your problem is: You can't differentiate between a religion and a cult.

[SeattleGriz]

Christian whackjob = Mullahs: Give moral and religious sanction to royal families/ oil shieks = American corporations who create and operate a government solely designe to protect their financial interests. Corporation don't fuck with religion and their voting base and the christian have their foot in the highest offices of government.

I want my virgins too!

[D1B]

Yeah, because NOBODY goes on the air and condemns these guys, or the Phelps family "church", or Warren Jeffs, etc., etc., etc. Me thinks you won't be happy until you've heard from EVERY Christian.

I think I've figured out what your problem is: You can't differentiate between a religion and a cult.

Sure I can AZ:

Religion = Christianity
Cult = Catholocism, Mormonism, Fundamentalist Christianity, Pentecostals....

Got it?


Oh, Clenz, stay out of these discussion you dumb kid.

[clenz]

Sure I can AZ:

Religion = Christianity
Cult = Catholocism, Mormonism, Fundamentalist Christianity, Pentecostals....

Got it?


Oh, Clenz, stay out of these discussion you dumb kid.

D, you fall into the whackjob extremist category. I really wish the atheist's who aren't as fucked up as you would come out and denounce you since you don't represent what atheism is.

[Wedgebuster]

Organized Atheism?

Organized atheism is for those who can't think for themselves, the paranoid, and those with a hidden agenda.

Just like other organizations.

[Cleets Part 2]

Sure I can AZ:

Religion = Christianity
Cult = Catholocism, Mormonism, Fundamentalist Christianity, Pentecostals....

Got it?

Actually if one were to evaluate this throughout history - with no emotion attached - and no "names" associated with beliefs... in other words if one were simply able to chronicle each of the above beliefs actions and histories and events without the associated naming system...D1B would be correct...

For example: instead of calling it baptism - if you were to describe it only
If this were done in it's entirety for the whole of Catholic history = CULT
LDS = CULT

I actually agree with D1B

[bobbythekidd]

D, you fall into the whackjob extremist category. I really wish the atheist's who aren't as fucked up as you would come out and denounce you since you don't represent what atheism is.

I am an athiest that is not as fucked up as D. I hereby denounce D, and his flock of birds.

I'm not sure what good that did, but I hope you feel better Clenzy.

[clenz]

D, you fall into the whackjob extremist category. I really wish the atheist's who aren't as fucked up as you would come out and denounce you since you don't represent what atheism is.

I am an athiest that is not as fucked up as D. I hereby denounce D, and his flock of birds.

I'm not sure what good that did, but I hope you feel better Clenzy.

I do feel better. Now if only someone from the Catholic church would do this to make D feel better about the fuck faces in the Christian religion.


It will accomplish as much as you just did, but hell, it will make D feel better.

[TerrorD]

D, you fall into the whackjob extremist category. I really wish the atheist's who aren't as **** up as you would come out and denounce you since you don't represent what atheism is.

I am an athiest that is not as **** up as D. I hereby denounce D, and his flock of birds.

I'm not sure what good that did, but I hope you feel better Clenzy.

Listen Bobby, you can denounce Divaiboy all you want, but don't mess with the birds! We dont take no sh!t from you fvcking eaglets! Got that Bobby!!

[bobbythekidd]

I am an athiest that is not as **** up as D. I hereby denounce D, and his flock of birds.

I'm not sure what good that did, but I hope you feel better Clenzy.

Listen Bobby, you can denounce Divaiboy all you want, but don't mess with the birds! We dont take no sh!t from you fvcking eaglets! Got that Bobby!!

It's Bob dammit!