GOP: The Pro-Life Party

[UNI88]

Gil, I agree that we should be taking steps to protect people's lives. The question is what steps and who should be taking them? Does everyone need to go into a hard lockdown? Or does it make more sense to use a harder lockdown on those most at risk and for everyone else to use social distancing and a soft shelter in place? I would think that it would be a lot easier to focus resources on the smaller number of people who are most at risk - food and prescriptions could be delivered, technology could be used so they could work and interact with friends & family virtually, etc. There would still be some deaths but they could be reduced and the impact on the economy would be less.

That’s kind of what we’re doing now. Some people get it but others need to be hit over the head with 2x4.

[BDKJMU]

Are the lives of senior citizens worth the lives of those of all ages who would die due to a years long Depression/wrecked economy, and 300+ million people being miserable for years?

There are a lot of solutions out there that don't involve a purge of a great sector of citizens. These solutions might cause a temporary discomfort to corporate America, but they can take the hit. Trump has now entered the edge of Hitler lunacy by even contemplating this type of holocaust.

Newsflash: the shutdowns of large swaths of the country is causing A LOT more than just "temporary discomfort to corporate America". You should wake up to the fact that blue collar America is getting HAMMERED.

Trump, Hilter and the holocaust. You're really going to go there..

[Gil Dobie]

There are a lot of solutions out there that don't involve a purge of a great sector of citizens. These solutions might cause a temporary discomfort to corporate America, but they can take the hit. Trump has now entered the edge of Hitler lunacy by even contemplating this type of holocaust.

Newsflash: the shutdowns of large swaths of the country is causing A LOT more than just "temporary discomfort to corporate America". You should wake up to the fact that blue collar America is getting HAMMERED.

Trump, Hilter and the holocaust. You're really going to go there..

You and Lt Governor Patrick can volunteer to die first then.

[Gil Dobie]

[89Hen]

Gil seems to have caught CDS.

[BDKJMU]

Let me know when we start rounding people up from their homes at gunpoint and shipping them off to death camps.

That's one type of holocaust. Knowingly letting a virus run rampant over the population, knowing a certain sector will be at risk, just to save the economy is akin to a modern holocaust. Let the master race survive.

Well then, shutting down the entire country for months, intentionally wrecking the economy, causing a years long depression, turning large swaths of the country into 2nd-3rd world, which will kill shit tons of people, esp the elderly (increased crime, social unrest, violence, malnutrition, lack of sanitation, disease, lack of health care, increased suicide, etc, etc) in order to protect a few, by your definition of holocaust, sounds like one to me.

[Gil Dobie]

That's one type of holocaust. Knowingly letting a virus run rampant over the population, knowing a certain sector will be at risk, just to save the economy is akin to a modern holocaust. Let the master race survive.

Well then, shutting down the entire country for months, intentionally wrecking the economy, causing a years long depression, turning large swaths of the country into 2nd-3rd world, which will kill shit tons of people, esp the elderly (increased crime, social unrest, violence, malnutrition, lack of sanitation, disease, lack of health care, increased suicide, etc, etc) in order to protect a few, by your definition of holocaust, sounds like one to me.

You are basically describing what would happen if we did nothing. But it's just another flu.

[Gil Dobie]

Gil seems to have caught CDS.

So you agree with BDK and the Texas Lt Governor.

[89Hen]

Gil seems to have caught CDS.

So you agree with BDK and the Texas Lt Governor.

Why's that?

I think there is a lot of truth to both sides of this. We should take measures to slow the spread of this, but maybe not to the nth degree. There will be a lot of folks who never catch this thing that end up with their lives completely fucked. Now, you may say it's better that more people suffer than more people die, and maybe that's true. But you're basically choosing folks with compromised health over people with hourly jobs who are poor and otherwise healthy.

[Gil Dobie]

So you agree with BDK and the Texas Lt Governor.

Why's that?

I think there is a lot of truth to both sides of this. We should take measures to slow the spread of this, but maybe not to the nth degree. There will be a lot of folks who never catch this thing that end up with their lives completely fucked. Now, you may say it's better that more people suffer than more people die, and maybe that's true. But you're basically choosing folks with compromised health over people with hourly jobs who are poor and otherwise healthy.

If we do nothing, the hospitals will not be able to handle the patient numbers, see Italy. Italy is not treating anyone over 60 at this point. If too many people get sick, only few will be treated. The flu kills just over 50 people a day. COVID-19 deaths the last 24 hours was 140, and we are only at the tip of the iceberg and using social distancing. Not doing anything, we would run out of hospital space, and that 140 will look pretty good.

[mainejeff]

That's one type of holocaust. Knowingly letting a virus run rampant over the population, knowing a certain sector will be at risk, just to save the economy is akin to a modern holocaust. Let the master race survive.

Well then, shutting down the entire country for months, intentionally wrecking the economy, causing a years long depression, turning large swaths of the country into 2nd-3rd world, which will kill shit tons of people, esp the elderly (increased crime, social unrest, violence, malnutrition, lack of sanitation, disease, lack of health care, increased suicide, etc, etc) in order to protect a few, by your definition of holocaust, sounds like one to me.

What a fucking drama queen. You REALLY think that America (that Trump has made great again).....is going to go to hell in a hand basket based on shutting down for 6-8 weeks? WTF?

[mainejeff]

So you agree with BDK and the Texas Lt Governor.

Why's that?

I think there is a lot of truth to both sides of this. We should take measures to slow the spread of this, but maybe not to the nth degree. There will be a lot of folks who never catch this thing that end up with their lives completely fucked. Now, you may say it's better that more people suffer than more people die, and maybe that's true. But you're basically choosing folks with compromised health over people with hourly jobs who are poor and otherwise healthy.

What a nasty fucking person you really are. The entire world except for us (because Donald J. Trump knows better ) are doing what they have to.....to mitigate sickness, death and the breakdown of their healthcare systems due to this virus. Funny how you......the Anti-Abortion Queen.....seem to be picking and choosing who lives and who dies.....for the almighty $$$.

Go fuck yourself #FakeChristian.

[BDKJMU]

So you agree with BDK and the Texas Lt Governor.

Why's that?

I think there is a lot of truth to both sides of this. We should take measures to slow the spread of this, but maybe not to the nth degree. There will be a lot of folks who never catch this thing that end up with their lives completely fucked. Now, you may say it's better that more people suffer than more people die, and maybe that's true. But you're basically choosing folks with compromised health over people with hourly jobs who are poor and otherwise healthy.

Exactly.

I'm not for for one extreme- the country & economy virtually shut down for months, something we can't do for months, which is what Gil seems to be advocating.

Nor am I for the other extreme- do nothing.

I'm for taking a middle ground. This nationwide shutdown can only be for weeks. Then, if likely necessary, a few months a middle ground of physical distancing, bans on crowd sizes, etc. Elderly and those over 50 with pre existing conditions self isolating or quarantining to the greatest extent possible, until the outbreak dies off and/or proven therapeutics and/or a vaccine.

[Gil Dobie]

Why's that?

I think there is a lot of truth to both sides of this. We should take measures to slow the spread of this, but maybe not to the nth degree. There will be a lot of folks who never catch this thing that end up with their lives completely fucked. Now, you may say it's better that more people suffer than more people die, and maybe that's true. But you're basically choosing folks with compromised health over people with hourly jobs who are poor and otherwise healthy.

Exactly.

I'm not for for one extreme- the country & economy virtually shut down for months, something we can't do for months, which is what Gil seems to be advocating.

Nor am I for the other extreme- do nothing.

I'm for taking a middle ground. This nationwide shutdown can only be for weeks. Then, if likely necessary, a few months a middle ground of physical distancing, bans on crowd sizes, etc. Elderly and those over 50 with pre existing conditions self isolating or quarantining to the greatest extent possible, until the outbreak dies off and/or proven therapeutics and/or a vaccine.

Now you are back-tracking and talking middle ground and trying to spin it, LMAO. I'm attacking the people that want to remove social distancing and let the virus take it's course and you are attacking me because I think we need more time.

[Gil Dobie]

[SeattleGriz]

Exactly.

I'm not for for one extreme- the country & economy virtually shut down for months, something we can't do for months, which is what Gil seems to be advocating.

Nor am I for the other extreme- do nothing.

I'm for taking a middle ground. This nationwide shutdown can only be for weeks. Then, if likely necessary, a few months a middle ground of physical distancing, bans on crowd sizes, etc. Elderly and those over 50 with pre existing conditions self isolating or quarantining to the greatest extent possible, until the outbreak dies off and/or proven therapeutics and/or a vaccine.

Now you are back-tracking and talking middle ground and trying to spin it, LMAO. I'm attacking the people that want to remove social distancing and let the virus take it's course and you are attacking me because I think we need more time.

Did we do all that for H1N1 in 2009?

That went after children.

[SeattleGriz]

Gil, why was nobody up in arms two flu seasons ago when 61,000 people died in the US?

Because we all have access to a flu vaccine?

You do know that they have to guess each year what the predominant strain will be? I don't know what the average effectiveness is, but it sometimes gets down to only 10-15%.

Really doesn't change this conversation, just thought you'd like to know.

[SeattleGriz]

I'm onboard with closing up social distancing, while protecting at risk groups.

If the kill rate tops out to be in the same area as the flu, then why couldn't we?

I rather catch it than be given a vaccine, especially if I'm low risk. I'll kick it's ass.

[89Hen]

The flu kills just over 50 people a day. COVID-19 deaths the last 24 hours was 140, and we are only at the tip of the iceberg and using social distancing. Not doing anything, we would run out of hospital space, and that 140 will look pretty good.

So in a year when 61,000 people die from flu, they do so over 1,220 days?

Flu season is less than 6 months, but if you divided 61,000 by 182, that's 335 per day. Is my math wrong Gil?

[kalm]

So you agree with BDK and the Texas Lt Governor.

Why's that?

I think there is a lot of truth to both sides of this. We should take measures to slow the spread of this, but maybe not to the nth degree. There will be a lot of folks who never catch this thing that end up with their lives completely fucked. Now, you may say it's better that more people suffer than more people die, and maybe that's true. But you're basically choosing folks with compromised health over people with hourly jobs who are poor and otherwise healthy.

Will those working poor die from economic circumstances? Or are you more fearful of economic collapse causing more deaths than by taking suppression measures vs mitigation measures?

[89Hen]

Gil posting stuff from Impeach Trump. Yeah, you don't have CDS.

[89Hen]

Why's that?

I think there is a lot of truth to both sides of this. We should take measures to slow the spread of this, but maybe not to the nth degree. There will be a lot of folks who never catch this thing that end up with their lives completely fucked. Now, you may say it's better that more people suffer than more people die, and maybe that's true. But you're basically choosing folks with compromised health over people with hourly jobs who are poor and otherwise healthy.

Will those working poor die from economic circumstances? Or are you more fearful of economic collapse causing more deaths than by taking suppression measures vs mitigation measures?

I didn't say anything about the poor dying, but sure, some will. Plenty of folks will die or be irreparably damaged by this without every contracting the virus.

[89Hen]

Why's that?

I think there is a lot of truth to both sides of this. We should take measures to slow the spread of this, but maybe not to the nth degree. There will be a lot of folks who never catch this thing that end up with their lives completely fucked. Now, you may say it's better that more people suffer than more people die, and maybe that's true. But you're basically choosing folks with compromised health over people with hourly jobs who are poor and otherwise healthy.

What a nasty fucking person you really are. The entire world except for us (because Donald J. Trump knows better ) are doing what they have to.....to mitigate sickness, death and the breakdown of their healthcare systems due to this virus. Funny how you......the Anti-Abortion Queen.....seem to be picking and choosing who lives and who dies.....for the almighty $$$.

Go fuck yourself #FakeChristian.

And he's back. I can't say I missed you, but welcome back extremist.

[Gil Dobie]

The flu kills just over 50 people a day. COVID-19 deaths the last 24 hours was 140, and we are only at the tip of the iceberg and using social distancing. Not doing anything, we would run out of hospital space, and that 140 will look pretty good.

So in a year when 61,000 people die from flu, they do so over 1,220 days?

Flu season is less than 6 months, but if you divided 61,000 by 182, that's 335 per day. Is my math wrong Gil?

Using the 140 for just this partial shutdown etc, we still get over 170,000 dead from COVID-19 during those same 182 days. Experts are estimating in the millions for deaths if this goes unchecked.

[mainejeff]

What a nasty fucking person you really are. The entire world except for us (because Donald J. Trump knows better ) are doing what they have to.....to mitigate sickness, death and the breakdown of their healthcare systems due to this virus. Funny how you......the Anti-Abortion Queen.....seem to be picking and choosing who lives and who dies.....for the almighty $$$.

Go fuck yourself #FakeChristian.

And he's back. I can't say I missed you, but welcome back extremist.

Thanks #FakeChristian.