Coronavirus COVID-19

[bobbythekidd]

NW of Tuscon. Oro Valley?

That is some gorgeous country.

They absolutely love it! I told them it may be a few months before I can come claim their ashes.

[BDKJMU]

I love the way that Trump is giving the middle finger to some of his most ardent supporters (those over 60).... They are willing to die for him. That's what I call loyalty!

Trump IS Dr. Death....

http://bannerhealth.mediaroom.com/chloroquinephosphate

You just ASSumed they were Trump supporters. They were hardcore Donks..

Woman Who Ingested Fish Tank Cleaner Is Prolific Donor to Democratic Causes
Arizona woman who accidentally poisoned her husband donated to 'pro-science resistance' PAC, among others.

The Arizona woman who said that she and her 68-year-old husband ingested a substance used to clean fish tanks after hearing President Donald Trump tout chloroquine as a cure for the coronavirus has given thousands of dollars to Democratic groups and candidates over the last two years.

The woman's most recent donations, in late February, were to a Democratic PAC, the 314 Action Fund, that bills itself as the "pro-science resistance" and has vocally criticized the Trump administration's response to the coronavirus pandemic and held up her case to slam the White House.

Although local and national media outlets withheld the couple's names, the Washington Free Beacon established their identities through descriptions in local news reports, where the pair were identified by their first names and ages: Gary, 68, and Wanda, 61. The Free Beacon is withholding their identities at Wanda's request.

Federal Election Commission records show that Wanda has donated thousands of dollars to Democratic electoral groups and candidates over the past two years, including Hillary Clinton, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, and EMILY's List, a group that aims to elect pro-choice female candidates.

Wanda told the Free Beacon that she and her husband were both Democrats, not Trump supporters. They heard about the potential benefits of chloroquine, an antimalarial drug, in news reports. She decided at the "spur of the moment" to try taking it, but reached for a fish tank cleaner in her pantry that contains chloroquine phosphate, a different and deadly form of the chemical. The Food and Drug Administration issued an emergency authorization for the use of chloroquine to treat coronavirus on Sunday.

"We weren't big supporters of [Trump], but we did see that they were using it in China and stuff," Wanda told the Free Beacon. "And we just made a horrible, tragic mistake," she said. "It was stupid, and it was horrible, and we should have never done it. But it's done and now I've lost my husband. And my whole life was my husband."

"We didn't think it would kill us," she added. "We thought if anything it would help us ‘cus that's what we've been hearing on the news.".....

https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/woma ... ic-causes/

[AZGrizFan]

That is some gorgeous country.

They absolutely love it! I told them it may be a few months before I can come claim their ashes.

You’re a bad man, Bobby Kidd.

[UNI88]

Done, right (i.e. masks, gloves, etc) I could see places like that being fine to be open, especially in less-dense areas of the country. But it does fall back into kalmie's question in this thread or another in terms of how persistent are people at being responsible in every interaction?

It’s still just a matter of buying time and flattening the curve enough to provide treatment for this AND regular healthcare services (broken bones, heart attacks, flu, etc at all hospitals.

A compromised healthcare system is the big concern where it could get much worse.

Blaine County, Idaho for a day was the biggest outbreak by percentage. A choir group in Mt. Vernon, WA of 60 people chose to still hold practice on March 10th. They were all asymptomatic. There are now 45 cases and 2 deaths from that group of 60.

Ganny, you’ve posted some good thoughts on this thread.

We need to take steps but it's a question of how far should we go and what costs are acceptable. It's easy to say we should take whatever steps necessary to save lives but I would argue that at some point we'll go too far and give up to much freedom that will embolden some in power to try and take even more. I also think that the economic impact of our measures should be considered because if people are losing jobs and small businesses are going under then their access to healthcare will be negatively impacted at a time when they are vulnerable to not just Covid-19 but also to other illnesses, depression, alcoholism, etc. There will be a point of diminishing returns where one life saved could cost two lives lost to other causes.

[AZGrizFan]

It’s still just a matter of buying time and flattening the curve enough to provide treatment for this AND regular healthcare services (broken bones, heart attacks, flu, etc at all hospitals.

A compromised healthcare system is the big concern where it could get much worse.

Blaine County, Idaho for a day was the biggest outbreak by percentage. A choir group in Mt. Vernon, WA of 60 people chose to still hold practice on March 10th. They were all asymptomatic. There are now 45 cases and 2 deaths from that group of 60.

Ganny, you’ve posted some good thoughts on this thread.

We need to take steps but it's a question of how far should we go and what costs are acceptable. It's easy to say we should take whatever steps necessary to save lives but I would argue that at some point we'll go too far and give up to much freedom that will embolden some in power to try and take even more. I also think that the economic impact of our measures should be considered because if people are losing jobs and small businesses are going under then their access to healthcare will be negatively impacted at a time when they are vulnerable to not just Covid-19 but also to other illnesses, depression, alcoholism, etc. There will be a point of diminishing returns where one life saved could cost two lives lost to other causes.

We’ve already reached it.

[BDKJMU]

People are dumb. Or just New Yorkers.

Crowds ignore social distancing rules to watch USNS Comfort

Crowds of gawkers ignored New York’s social-distance regulations and packed the west side of Manhattan on Monday to watch a US Navy hospital ship arrive to give badly needed coronavirus aid.

The throngs of people stood shoulder to shoulder and took photos of the USNS Comfort as it pulled into Pier 90 near West 50th Street at about 10:40 a.m., photos of the scene show.

Some waved American flags and others huddled against one another at the fence of the pier. Meanwhile, joggers out for a morning run brushed past the onlookers.

At least a dozen NYPD cops stood by and initially did not disperse the bone-headed bystanders as they gathered and snapped cellphone photos of the ship pulling into the pier.

After members of the City Hall press corps tweeted about the throngs of people, Mayor Bill de Blasio’s communications team directed the NYPD to get the crowds to disperse.....

https://nypost.com/2020/03/30/crowds-ig ... s-comfort/

[BDKJMU]

Murica!

Ford, GE plan to produce 50,000 ventilators in 100 days
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/30/ford-ge ... -days.html

[dbackjon]

Where in Arizona?

The Trump-lite Arizona Governor has declared Personal Hygiene businesses as essential. So Barbers, Beauty Salons, Claw Salons are ok to stay open.

NW of Tuscon. Oro Valley? And Mom is a breast cancer survivor.

Oro Valley is NW of Tucson. Nice area.

[dbackjon]

Murica!

Ford, GE plan to produce 50,000 ventilators in 100 days
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/30/ford-ge ... -days.html

Too bad Trump waited two months to activate DPA. We would be 40 days out from getting them.

[kalm]

It’s still just a matter of buying time and flattening the curve enough to provide treatment for this AND regular healthcare services (broken bones, heart attacks, flu, etc at all hospitals.

A compromised healthcare system is the big concern where it could get much worse.

Blaine County, Idaho for a day was the biggest outbreak by percentage. A choir group in Mt. Vernon, WA of 60 people chose to still hold practice on March 10th. They were all asymptomatic. There are now 45 cases and 2 deaths from that group of 60.

Ganny, you’ve posted some good thoughts on this thread.

We need to take steps but it's a question of how far should we go and what costs are acceptable. It's easy to say we should take whatever steps necessary to save lives but I would argue that at some point we'll go too far and give up to much freedom that will embolden some in power to try and take even more. I also think that the economic impact of our measures should be considered because if people are losing jobs and small businesses are going under then their access to healthcare will be negatively impacted at a time when they are vulnerable to not just Covid-19 but also to other illnesses, depression, alcoholism, etc. There will be a point of diminishing returns where one life saved could cost two lives lost to other causes.

Recognized. Believe me, I’m researching SBA loans, tax relief/ grace periods, unemployment insurance changes for my employees all in an effort to maintain a golf course for re-opening with zero cash flow for at least the next month and likely longer.

But the virus doesn’t care and the existential threat remains until we have a better understanding and weapons to mitigate it with. It’s all about hospital beds, respirators, and PPE for the next few weeks.

There’s not a single infectious disease expert that would disagree with this take.

[BDKJMU]

Murica!

Ford, GE plan to produce 50,000 ventilators in 100 days
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/30/ford-ge ... -days.html

Too bad Trump waited two months to activate DPA. We would be 40 days out from getting them.

Waited 2 months my ass. The 1st death in the US was 2/29. Articles on 3/19 says they were going to make them.

Wrong on 40 days out from getting them.

GM beginning production THIS WEEK.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/30/gm-maki ... demic.html

Ford Starting production on April 20. 4 weeks from getting the 1st ones.

could see 1,500 ventilators by the end of April, with 12,000 by the end of May and 50,000 by July 4, running its Rawsonville factory around the clock and staffing it with 500 paid volunteer UAW members.

Full production would be 7,200 ventilators per week.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/company ... r-BB11VFEM

[JohnStOnge]

I am pleased to see that the media are on to what Trump was doing yesterday:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... r-BB11UGik

[BDKJMU]

TX Gov issues Exec order for anyone entering Texas from 3 states (California, Louisiana, Washington) and 4 cities (Atlanta, Chicago, Detroit, Miami) for mandatory 14 day quarantine.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas- ... tes-cities

[CAA Flagship]

It’s still just a matter of buying time and flattening the curve enough to provide treatment for this AND regular healthcare services (broken bones, heart attacks, flu, etc at all hospitals.

A compromised healthcare system is the big concern where it could get much worse.

Blaine County, Idaho for a day was the biggest outbreak by percentage. A choir group in Mt. Vernon, WA of 60 people chose to still hold practice on March 10th. They were all asymptomatic. There are now 45 cases and 2 deaths from that group of 60.

Ganny, you’ve posted some good thoughts on this thread.

We need to take steps but it's a question of how far should we go and what costs are acceptable. It's easy to say we should take whatever steps necessary to save lives but I would argue that at some point we'll go too far and give up to much freedom that will embolden some in power to try and take even more. I also think that the economic impact of our measures should be considered because if people are losing jobs and small businesses are going under then their access to healthcare will be negatively impacted at a time when they are vulnerable to not just Covid-19 but also to other illnesses, depression, alcoholism, etc. There will be a point of diminishing returns where one life saved could cost two lives lost to other causes.

Scene in the movie "Patton" (loose recap):
Bradley noticed Patton advancing through the heart of Sicily on the way to Palermo while Bradley slugged it out with the Germans on the mountain road. Bradley challenged Patton saying he was not authorized to advance and that Bradley's troops were dying. Patton said that he needs to think about how many lives would be lost if he didn't advance rapidly.

It's a catch-22.

[CAA Flagship]

Murica!

Ford, GE plan to produce 50,000 ventilators in 100 days
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/30/ford-ge ... -days.html

We will be overrun with ventilators by mid-summer.

[BDKJMU]

More fake news video from the liberal MSM. Remember when ABC used video from a Kentucky gun range and claimed it was 'slaughter in Syria' footage.? Well CBS might have topped it. CBS used footage of NYC hospitals to show how dire things are. Yet the footage wasn't of NYC hospitals. It was from Italian hospitals..
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/0 ... ity-video/

Now CBS is claiming it was a mistake...Yeah right Just another case of the MSM choosing footage to fit their agenda.

[dbackjon]

Too bad Trump waited two months to activate DPA. We would be 40 days out from getting them.

Waited 2 months my ass. The 1st death in the US was 2/29. Articles on 3/19 says they were going to make them.

Wrong on 40 days out from getting them.

GM beginning production THIS WEEK.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/30/gm-maki ... demic.html

Ford Starting production on April 20. 4 weeks from getting the 1st ones.

could see 1,500 ventilators by the end of April, with 12,000 by the end of May and 50,000 by July 4, running its Rawsonville factory around the clock and staffing it with 500 paid volunteer UAW members.

Full production would be 7,200 ventilators per week.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/company ... r-BB11VFEM

Dude, he was warned in January. I started stocking up on supplies beginning of February. THAT was the time to act

This is TRUMP's own words of what he was doing in January and February:

January 22: Trump on Coronavirus “We have it totally under control”!

January 24: Trump on Coronavirus “It will all work out well”!

January 30: Trump on Coronavirus “We have it very well under control, and I think its going to have a very good ending. So that I can assure you”!

February 2: Trump on Coronavirus “Well, we pretty much shut it down coming in from China, but we did shut it down!” No clue whatsoever of the severity of what’s coming.

February 10: On Fox News Trump says without evidence that the coronavirus "dies with the hotter weather” "You know, a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat

February 24: Trump tweeted another baselessly claims: "The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA.”

February 25: Trump falsely claims : you may ask about the coronavirus, which is very well under control in our country. We have very few people with it, and the people that have it are … getting better. They’re ALL getting better! Obviously he doesn’t care for those who died from it. (Like captured soldiers)

February 26: Trump wrongly says the coronavirus "is a flu"

February 26: Trump baselessly predicts the number of US cases is "going very substantially down" to "close to zero”

[BDKJMU]

Feb 4: Carnival's Diamond Princess quarantined on off coast of Japan. 712 pf 3711 passengers & crew tested positive for the Chinese Virus, 10 died.

March 2: Passenger from Carnival's Grand Princess prior Mexican Riviera cruise tests positive for the Chinese virus.
March 4: That passenger dies. Princess Cruises notifies approx 20 passengers on board the current Hawaiian Islands cruise that if they were also on the previous Mexican Riviera cruise, they must stay in their rooms until medical staff are able to screen them for symptoms.
March 5: Helicopters deliver coronavirus test kits to the Grand Princess. About 100 passengers aboard the vessel were showing symptoms and will need to be tested. 1 more Mexican Riviera cruise passenger has tested positive for the Chinese virus.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/05/ ... -princess/
March 6: 21 onboard tested positive.

March 7: Holland America's Zandaam leaves Argentina with 1,243 passengers and 586 crew. So far 130 plus sick passengers, 4 deaths. hasn't been allowed to dock anywhere for 2 weeks.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/ft-lauder ... ip-zandaam

What kind of morons would have started a cruise on 3/7, knowing what had been reported about previous cruises?

[BDKJMU]

Waited 2 months my ass. The 1st death in the US was 2/29. Articles on 3/19 says they were going to make them.

Wrong on 40 days out from getting them.

GM beginning production THIS WEEK.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/30/gm-maki ... demic.html

Ford Starting production on April 20. 4 weeks from getting the 1st ones.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/company ... r-BB11VFEM

Dude, he was warned in January. I started stocking up on supplies beginning of February. THAT was the time to act

This is TRUMP's own words of what he was doing in January and February:

January 22: Trump on Coronavirus “We have it totally under control”!

January 24: Trump on Coronavirus “It will all work out well”!

January 30: Trump on Coronavirus “We have it very well under control, and I think its going to have a very good ending. So that I can assure you”!

Of course we had it under control going by what the WHO said in Jan that it wasn’t transmittable human to human.
It will work out. We’ll get therapeutics, then a vaccine, and the disease will be defeated.

February 2: Trump on Coronavirus “Well, we pretty much shut it down coming in from China, but we did shut it down!” No clue whatsoever of the severity of what’s coming.

Did shut it from coming any more from China after some with the virus had already come in. But it kept more from coming in. And you libtards cried racist. Should have even been done a couple weeks earlier in mid Jan, but the WHO in mid Jan said it wasn’t transmittable human to human.

February 10: On Fox News Trump says without evidence that the coronavirus "dies with the hotter weather” "You know, a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat

Dr Fauci and Dr Birx have said it could be cylical, diminish this summer, and return later this year or 2021.
https://www.businessinsider.com/fauci-w ... are-2020-3

February 24: Trump tweeted another baselessly claims: "The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA.”

February 25: Trump falsely claims : you may ask about the coronavirus, which is very well under control in our country. We have very few people with it, and the people that have it are … getting better. They’re ALL getting better! Obviously he doesn’t care for those who died from it. (Like captured soldiers)

It was under control then. ZERO people had died from it in the US at that point. The 1st death wasn't until 2/29.

February 26: Trump wrongly says the coronavirus "is a flu"

Both are viruses that are contagious respiratory illnesses, so they do have some similarities.

February 26: Trump baselessly predicts the number of US cases is "going very substantially down" to "close to zero”

The only dumb statement he made.

[dbackjon]

There was confirmed US person-to-person spread in January

https://www.statnews.com/2020/01/30/cdc ... avirus-us/

WHO changed the guidance mid-January.

It had already spread from China when Trump "acted" Horse was out of the barn.

NO one knows what it will do in the summer. We do know (and knew then) that it was in Australia - which WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR SUMMER then.

That is like saying "well we have the fire under control, it is only burning in one small area STUPID STATEMENT. Dumber to defend it.

Trump is ignorant of medical terms.


All are dumb statements.

[UNI88]

February 26: Trump baselessly predicts the number of US cases is "going very substantially down" to "close to zero”

The only dumb statement he made.

When Trump opens his mouth or Twitter it's coin flip on whether it will be a dumb statement or not.

[HI54UNI]

HI5.5.1 resumed her college classes via Zoom today. Apparently the Univ. of Iowa did not offer any training to professors on how to use Zoom. Everybody's mics were left unmuted, no limits on what people could put in the chat box, and apparently no control set up so anyone could take over the presentation.

During the class someone was spamming the chat box, people started screaming and playing other weird noises, and at one point took over as presenter and started showing porn.

[Pwns]

Just walked in because I thought I heard Bob Dammit's voice.

[UNI88]

HI5.5.1 resumed her college classes via Zoom today. Apparently the Univ. of Iowa did not offer any training to professors on how to use Zoom. Everybody's mics were left unmuted, no limits on what people could put in the chat box, and apparently no control set up so anyone could take over the presentation.

During the class someone was spamming the chat box, people started screaming and playing other weird noises, and at one point took over as presenter and started showing porn.

So the class taught the professor and administration a lesson or two. Who said you can't teach old dogs new tricks?

[grizzaholic]

Just walked in because I thought I heard Bob Dammit's voice.

I have been here for 3 days and 13 hours because I sensed a lack of HI54UNI's picture postings.