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UNI88 wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:42 am
kalm wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:26 am

Yes! We shoukd aspire to the level of Nee Zealand! :lol:
So you've got no one. Xi, Merkel, Macron, Trudeau all dithered but Trump is the bad one? Trump is a despicable human being but he was in a no-win situation. Either he clamps down and is accused of overreacting (as he was with the China travel ban) or he doesn't and he's accused of dithering. The Orange Man Bad crowd is going to criticize him no matter what he does and the Orange Man Perfect crowd is going to ignore or rationalize his mistakes no matter what. They're mirror images of each other.

The federal government could have done more to help coordinate state activities and purchases but leaving shelter-in-place and other restrictions up to the states was absolutely the right approach in my opinion.
I'll be the first to volunteer that Trump is not a particularly good crisis time leader - he doesn't speak well so whatever he says get garbled in the message, he's apt to launch down tangents when speaking (his obsession with TV ratings), and he's also prone to say whatever is on his mind the moment it comes to him - stream of consciousness speaking is not always good for leadership (the Twitter stuff can get thrown in here). In addition, he does have the handicap that he is absolutely despised by roughly half of the electorate, meaning anything he does will be instantly rebuked by that half of the country that is pre-disposed to resist him. Case in point, the travel bans on China and then eventually Europe - the arguments were that these were not measures that should be taken at all. Now we're debating whether they really should've been done sooner and more fully.

With all that said, I'm still looking for what he needs to be doing that isn't already being done. We're in a tough spot here - there's no vaccine for this yet (clock's ticking, Big Pharma), so we can't eradicate this. We don't know enough about the virus to even know if herd immunity is a real thing (and there's evidence of people coming down with it again, so it's very possible that herd immunity isn't a real think with this virus). With that being the case, testing is immensely more difficult - what's the point of an antibody test if it doesn't matter if you have anti-bodies for the virus? And unless you're testing everyone every day you're going to be missing people who are getting infected. And on top of that you do have the real issue of economic depression that is certainly a possibility - how do you get 10M-20M people (if that's the real number) back to work in some capacity? I'm not seeing any other countries out there that aren't shutdown to some extent, so no one else has the answers right now.

Certainly are tough times, and they're made harder by having a leader who isn't particularly good at the imagery of leadership, coupled with a fanatical political opposition that is determined that him failing at leadership, no matter the costs, is the prime objective at this time.
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Baldy wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:31 am
Chizzang wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:19 am

Flaggy is a "process guy"
Trump was just following the process of firing everybody that had anything to do with Obama
which included the Pandemic Task Force

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Accountability is so 2016
Fuck you Chizz for making me defend Trump, but that is a myth.

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Yep myth has already been put to bed numerous time in March on the Coronavirus thread, but the left thinks if they keep repeating it, it might somehow become true.
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UNI88 wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:42 am
kalm wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:26 am

Yes! We shoukd aspire to the level of Nee Zealand! :lol:
So you've got no one. Xi, Merkel, Macron, Trudeau all dithered but Trump is the bad one? Trump is a despicable human being but he was in a no-win situation. Either he clamps down and is accused of overreacting (as he was with the China travel ban) or he doesn't and he's accused of dithering. The Orange Man Bad crowd is going to criticize him no matter what he does and the Orange Man Perfect crowd is going to ignore or rationalize his mistakes no matter what. They're mirror images of each other.

The federal government could have done more to help coordinate state activities and purchases but leaving shelter-in-place and other restrictions up to the states was absolutely the right approach in my opinion.
Yep.
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"We have more kids dying of flu this year at this time than in the last decade or more. At the same time people are worrying about going to a Chinese restaurant. The threat is (we have) a pretty bad influenza season, particularly dangerous for our children. Wash your hands as frequently as you can. Stay away from crowded places where people are coughing and sneezing. If in fact you are coughing and sneezing, cover your mouth. You know, all the things that we say each year."
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UNI88 wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:42 am
kalm wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:26 am

Yes! We shoukd aspire to the level of Nee Zealand! :lol:
So you've got no one. Xi, Merkel, Macron, Trudeau all dithered but Trump is the bad one? Trump is a despicable human being but he was in a no-win situation. Either he clamps down and is accused of overreacting (as he was with the China travel ban) or he doesn't and he's accused of dithering. The Orange Man Bad crowd is going to criticize him no matter what he does and the Orange Man Perfect crowd is going to ignore or rationalize his mistakes no matter what. They're mirror images of each other.

The federal government could have done more to help coordinate state activities and purchases but leaving shelter-in-place and other restrictions up to the states was absolutely the right approach in my opinion.
Don’t disagree with the last paragraph. The first is the “both sides do it so we shouldn’t criticize poor leadership” centrist political scold at its finest.

FDR was honest about the threats but also reassuring. Kennedy’s “ask not” speechifying is also an example. Maybe you are reassured by Trumps messaging on this to the people but I am not.
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kalm wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:36 am
UNI88 wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:42 am
So you've got no one. Xi, Merkel, Macron, Trudeau all dithered but Trump is the bad one? Trump is a despicable human being but he was in a no-win situation. Either he clamps down and is accused of overreacting (as he was with the China travel ban) or he doesn't and he's accused of dithering. The Orange Man Bad crowd is going to criticize him no matter what he does and the Orange Man Perfect crowd is going to ignore or rationalize his mistakes no matter what. They're mirror images of each other.

The federal government could have done more to help coordinate state activities and purchases but leaving shelter-in-place and other restrictions up to the states was absolutely the right approach in my opinion.
Don’t disagree with the last paragraph. The first is the “both sides do it so we shouldn’t criticize poor leadership” centrist political scold at its finest.

FDR was honest about the threats but also reassuring. Kennedy’s “ask not” speechifying is also an example. Maybe you are reassured by Trumps messaging on this to the people but I am not.
Wrong. I have no problem criticizing poor leadership. I agree with Ganny's statement that "Trump is not a particularly good crisis time leader." The problem isn't criticizing Trump, it's only criticizing Trump and giving everyone else a pass. It's also about being more focused on making Trump look bad than solving problems.

Trump is a petulant child who is focused on himself and how he looks but that doesn't mean that the Democrats should sink to his level and play his game. Trump's better at the petty-ante BS and engaging with him in that manner is a losing proposition. It's like arguing with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Why can't we have an adult in a leadership position who puts all of this stuff behind them and focuses on doing what's best for the country, not going tit-for-tat with Trump?
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UNI88 wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:51 am
kalm wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:36 am

Don’t disagree with the last paragraph. The first is the “both sides do it so we shouldn’t criticize poor leadership” centrist political scold at its finest.

FDR was honest about the threats but also reassuring. Kennedy’s “ask not” speechifying is also an example. Maybe you are reassured by Trumps messaging on this to the people but I am not.
Wrong. I have no problem criticizing poor leadership. I agree with Ganny's statement that "Trump is not a particularly good crisis time leader." The problem isn't criticizing Trump, it's only criticizing Trump and giving everyone else a pass. It's also about being more focused on making Trump look bad than solving problems.

Trump is a petulant child who is focused on himself and how he looks but that doesn't mean that the Democrats should sink to his level and play his game. Trump's better at the petty-ante BS and engaging with him in that manner is a losing proposition. It's like arguing with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Why can't we have an adult in a leadership position who puts all of this stuff behind them and focuses on doing what's best for the country, not going tit-for-tat with Trump?
Totally agree with all of this and I think we have a few of them. Trump should already be becoming irrelevant. He’s not leadership material. He’s a 3rd grade child. Thankfully we have seen some leadership rise up despite him. I hope he doesn’t for Fauci. :nod:
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Baldy wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:31 am
Chizzang wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:19 am

Flaggy is a "process guy"
Trump was just following the process of firing everybody that had anything to do with Obama
which included the Pandemic Task Force

:nod:

Accountability is so 2016
Fuck you Chizz for making me defend Trump, but that is a myth.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/artic ... 42683.html
CONCLUSIONS
There is disagreement over how to describe the changes at the NSC’s Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense in 2018. The departure of some members due to “streamlining” efforts under John Bolton is documented. The “pandemic response team” as a unit was largely disbanded.

VERDICT​
Partly false: The Trump administration disbanded the “pandemic response” team, but some of the team members were reassigned to roles that included pandemic response

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Chizzang wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:00 pm
Baldy wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:31 am
Fuck you Chizz for making me defend Trump, but that is a myth.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/artic ... 42683.html
CONCLUSIONS
There is disagreement over how to describe the changes at the NSC’s Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense in 2018. The departure of some members due to “streamlining” efforts under John Bolton is documented. The “pandemic response team” as a unit was largely disbanded.

VERDICT​
Partly false: The Trump administration disbanded the “pandemic response” team, but some of the team members were reassigned to roles that included pandemic response

:lol:
Nope.
No, the White House didn’t ‘dissolve’ its pandemic response office. I was there.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... se-office/
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BDKJMU wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:03 pm
Chizzang wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:00 pm
CONCLUSIONS
There is disagreement over how to describe the changes at the NSC’s Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense in 2018. The departure of some members due to “streamlining” efforts under John Bolton is documented. The “pandemic response team” as a unit was largely disbanded.

VERDICT​
Partly false: The Trump administration disbanded the “pandemic response” team, but some of the team members were reassigned to roles that included pandemic response

:lol:
Nope.
No, the White House didn’t ‘dissolve’ its pandemic response office. I was there.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... se-office/
Sounds like a difference of semantics to me. Was the dedicated team dissolved? Yes. Were a number of staffers let go? Yes. Were the teams and staffers' responsibilities absorbed by a group with a broader focus? Yes.

Just another example of people being more interested in tripping over their dicks to point fingers then they are in actually contributing to resolving the crisis.
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Chizzang wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:00 pm
Baldy wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:31 am
Fuck you Chizz for making me defend Trump, but that is a myth.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/artic ... 42683.html
CONCLUSIONS
There is disagreement over how to describe the changes at the NSC’s Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense in 2018. The departure of some members due to “streamlining” efforts under John Bolton is documented. The “pandemic response team” as a unit was largely disbanded.

VERDICT​
Partly false: The Trump administration disbanded the “pandemic response” team, but some of the team members were reassigned to roles that included pandemic response

:lol:
Not quite, but nice try. :thumb:
If anything, the combined directorate was stronger because related expertise could be commingled. The reduction of force in the NSC has continued since I departed the White House. But it has left the biodefense staff unaffected...
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UNI88 wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:55 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:03 pm
Nope.
No, the White House didn’t ‘dissolve’ its pandemic response office. I was there.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... se-office/
Sounds like a difference of semantics to me. Was the dedicated team dissolved? Yes. Were a number of staffers let go? Yes. Were the teams and staffers' responsibilities absorbed by a group with a broader focus? Yes.

Just another example of people being more interested in tripping over their dicks to point fingers then they are in actually contributing to resolving the crisis.
The left keeps bringing it up because, you know, Orange Man Bad. If the left hadn't brought it up, no one would be talking about it.
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BDKJMU wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:13 pm
UNI88 wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:55 pm
Sounds like a difference of semantics to me. Was the dedicated team dissolved? Yes. Were a number of staffers let go? Yes. Were the teams and staffers' responsibilities absorbed by a group with a broader focus? Yes.

Just another example of people being more interested in tripping over their dicks to point fingers then they are in actually contributing to resolving the crisis.
The left keeps bringing it up because, you know, Orange Man Bad. If the left hadn't brought it up, no one would be talking about it.
Trump brings a lot of this on himself. If he wants it to stop maybe he should stop sniping at governors (Whitmer, Cuomo, Inslee, etc.) and others. Rise above the fray and provide real leadership instead of playground name calling via Twitter and press conference.
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UNI88 wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:22 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:13 pm
The left keeps bringing it up because, you know, Orange Man Bad. If the left hadn't brought it up, no one would be talking about it.
Trump brings a lot of this on himself. If he wants it to stop maybe he should stop sniping at governors (Whitmer, Cuomo, Inslee, etc.) and others. Rise above the fray and provide real leadership instead of playground name calling via Twitter and press conference.
I think that ship has long since left port and was lost at sea. :coffee:
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Baldy wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:08 pm
Chizzang wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:00 pm

CONCLUSIONS
There is disagreement over how to describe the changes at the NSC’s Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense in 2018. The departure of some members due to “streamlining” efforts under John Bolton is documented. The “pandemic response team” as a unit was largely disbanded.

VERDICT​
Partly false: The Trump administration disbanded the “pandemic response” team, but some of the team members were reassigned to roles that included pandemic response

:lol:
Not quite, but nice try. :thumb:
If anything, the combined directorate was stronger because related expertise could be commingled. The reduction of force in the NSC has continued since I departed the White House. But it has left the biodefense staff unaffected...
Is that from Fox News Baldy ..?

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Winterborn wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:27 pm
UNI88 wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:22 pm
Trump brings a lot of this on himself. If he wants it to stop maybe he should stop sniping at governors (Whitmer, Cuomo, Inslee, etc.) and others. Rise above the fray and provide real leadership instead of playground name calling via Twitter and press conference.
I think that ship has long since left port and was lost at sea. :coffee:
You're right but I still enjoy pointing it out to the Trump Cultists who get upset when he is the brunt of criticism but don't see anything wrong with his Twitter tantrums.
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UNI88 wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:52 pm
Winterborn wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:27 pm

I think that ship has long since left port and was lost at sea. :coffee:
You're right but I still enjoy pointing it out to the Trump Cultists who get upset when he is the brunt of criticism but don't see anything wrong with his Twitter tantrums.
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CID1990 wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:48 pm
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This is the same “data driven” dork who not too long ago said he didn’t think this was much different than the flu



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Yes. I did say that. Actually worse than that. Early on I said I thought influenza was probably more contagious person to person and that it was not clear (based on looking at the CDC site) that what we now call COVID-19 was spreading person to person. But I don't have a bunch of staff working for me who had inside information and who were already familiar with previous assessments and could advise me. After the shit hit the fan I went ahead and looked into how people who study this stuff say to handle the situation. And they clearly said, well prior to this incident, that travel restrictions ain't it. Also, it's clear that recognizing and addressing the situation early on was possible because South Korea did it.

BTW, Canada never did implement a travel ban restriction against China specifically. That country did implement a general travel restriction on travel from ALL countries about a month and a half after Trump did his partial travel ban with respect to China.

And where are we now? Is there some indication in the case data that Canada suffered by taking so long to do travel restrictions? As I type Canada has 680 cases per million population while the United States has 1,771. Canada has 21 deaths per million population while the United States has 71. That's in spite of the fact that Canada has more TESTS per million population...11,591 as compared to 8,873.

People really, really need to realize that Trump acting like he really did something by virtue of doing a partial travel restriction is a non starter. I'll quote from the article at https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... backed-by/:
Eric Toner, an emergency physician and senior scholar with the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, said politicians face intense public pressure to close their borders when a new disease begins spreading across the globe.

“I think people intuitively think [barring travellers] would work, even though it’s been shown over and over again not to work," Dr. Toner said. "It’s politically appealing, but it’s not the right thing to do.”


Nothing about the case data associated with the current situation contradicts that point of view.
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CID1990 wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:48 pm No shit

This is the same “data driven” dork who not too long ago said he didn’t think this was much different than the flu



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Yes. I did say that. Actually worse than that. Early on I said I thought influenza was probably more contagious person to person and that it was not clear (based on looking at the CDC site) that what we now call COVID-19 was spreading person to person. But I don't have a bunch of staff working for me who had inside information and who were already familiar with previous assessments and could advise me. After the shit hit the fan I went ahead and looked into how people who study this stuff say to handle the situation. And they clearly said, well prior to this incident, that travel restrictions ain't it. Also, it's clear that recognizing and addressing the situation early on was possible because South Korea did it.

BTW, Canada never did implement a travel ban restriction against China specifically. That country did implement a general travel restriction on travel from ALL countries about a month and a half after Trump did his partial travel ban with respect to China.

And where are we now? Is there some indication in the case data that Canada suffered by taking so long to do travel restrictions? As I type Canada has 680 cases per million population while the United States has 1,771. Canada has 21 deaths per million population while the United States has 71. That's in spite of the fact that Canada has more TESTS per million population...11,591 as compared to 8,873.

People really, really need to realize that Trump acting like he really did something by virtue of doing a partial travel restriction is a non starter. I'll quote from the article at https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... backed-by/:
Eric Toner, an emergency physician and senior scholar with the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, said politicians face intense public pressure to close their borders when a new disease begins spreading across the globe.

“I think people intuitively think [barring travellers] would work, even though it’s been shown over and over again not to work," Dr. Toner said. "It’s politically appealing, but it’s not the right thing to do.”


Nothing about the case data associated with the current situation contradicts that point of view.
Trump merely followed the advice of recognized experts

You know.... those people you revere and the Trumpies revile?

Eventually you’re just going to have to attack the Faucis of the world if you want to hang Trump from this particular yardarm

At least we know that it take a tsunami of factual evidence to admit you are wrong. Good to know where the threshold is


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Chizzang wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:34 pm
Baldy wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:08 pm
Not quite, but nice try. :thumb:

Is that from Fox News Baldy ..?

:lol:

my data is from Politi-fact
PolitiFact? :lol:

Fox News? Not quite, very close though. Real Clear Politics and The Washington Post. :lol:

Thanks for confirming that you don't read the links before you post.
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Aho Old Guy wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:14 pm :shock:
March 23, 2020

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the Committee directs the Desk to conduct overnight reverse repurchase operations ... at an offering rate of 0.00 percent ... that are available for such operations and by a per-counter party limit of $30 billion per day.
The Committee also directs the Desk to engage in dollar roll and coupon swap transactions as necessary to facilitate settlement of the Federal Reserve's agency mortgage-backed securities transactions.
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JohnStOnge wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:35 pm
CID1990 wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:48 pm
No shit

This is the same “data driven” dork who not too long ago said he didn’t think this was much different than the flu



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Yes. I did say that. Actually worse than that. Early on I said I thought influenza was probably more contagious person to person and that it was not clear (based on looking at the CDC site) that what we now call COVID-19 was spreading person to person. But I don't have a bunch of staff working for me who had inside information and who were already familiar with previous assessments and could advise me. After the shit hit the fan I went ahead and looked into how people who study this stuff say to handle the situation. And they clearly said, well prior to this incident, that travel restrictions ain't it. Also, it's clear that recognizing and addressing the situation early on was possible because South Korea did it.

BTW, Canada never did implement a travel ban restriction against China specifically. That country did implement a general travel restriction on travel from ALL countries about a month and a half after Trump did his partial travel ban with respect to China.

And where are we now? Is there some indication in the case data that Canada suffered by taking so long to do travel restrictions? As I type Canada has 680 cases per million population while the United States has 1,771. Canada has 21 deaths per million population while the United States has 71. That's in spite of the fact that Canada has more TESTS per million population...11,591 as compared to 8,873.

People really, really need to realize that Trump acting like he really did something by virtue of doing a partial travel restriction is a non starter. I'll quote from the article at https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... backed-by/:
Eric Toner, an emergency physician and senior scholar with the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, said politicians face intense public pressure to close their borders when a new disease begins spreading across the globe.

“I think people intuitively think [barring travellers] would work, even though it’s been shown over and over again not to work," Dr. Toner said. "It’s politically appealing, but it’s not the right thing to do.”


Nothing about the case data associated with the current situation contradicts that point of view.
US: 87 people per sq mile.
Canada: 10.2 people per sq mile

Canada has nothing close to NYC metro, which is close to half the US deaths. Canada is also only about 3.5% black (wiki) to the US's 14%. Blacks have been reported to be 42% of the US Chinese Virus deaths (I linked that earlier this week on the Coronavirus thread).

A comparison of similarly population dense US states (the 7 least dense), and much closer in whiteness, to Canada:
Idaho, New Mexico, South Dakota, N Dakota, Montana, Wyoming, Alaska: Avg about 10.4 people per sq mile.
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_ ... on_density

Those 7 states about 7.6 million total population above link with 2013 Census est. If you click on each individual state get 2017 est of about 8 million. Either way, 94 Chinese Virus deaths, around 12 per 1 million.
Canada: 780 Chinese Virus deaths, 21 per million.

When taking population density and deaths per million into account, the US is doing much better than Canada.
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