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SDHornet wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:33 am
kalm wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:30 am


Good evening, I took a few hours away from everything this evening to just chillax, so I was late in posting this up but here are today's numbers.


First the UK, the Power of Social Distancing is kicking in hard core. The US IMHE Model is still predicting some pretty cataclysmic stuff for the UK but it is trending down fast for the situation to be closer to a Lite version of a New York style cataclysm, versus one that was headed for 5X worse than New York. Here are some comparative numbers to show just how powerful and how fast & effective social distancing and stay at home orders are once they are at full power. In the UK the Peak Hospital usage date has moved up to 2 days to 4/15/20, the Hospital Bed Shortage has been cut from 85,000 beds to 46,000 beds, the ICU Bed Shortage has been cut from 24,000 to 7,400 and the ventilator shortage has been cut from 21,000 to 12,600. Additionally the projected cumulative death count through July 2020 has been cut from 66,000 to 37,500. This is a HUGE Improvement and show the power of the mitigation measures being used. My expectation is that we will see additional massive improvements over the next few days. The trends are suggesting the UK can potentially handle this in a very ugly and painful manner while still maintaining its NHS, just barely. Hopefully it will be even better. This just shows a stoic truth about the British, when they resolve to do so something with a war time effort and mobilization they do it forcefully and completely, they, of all of the western countries, have not forgot the painful lessons of world war and what it takes to win and appear to be fully engaged in winning this war now.

Now for Sweden. Things have not gotten better, they have gotten worse, far worse. The projected Peak has pushed out seven days to 5/3/2020 and its not because the curve is flattening. The projected Deficit in Hospital Beds has increased massively to 12,700 from 2,900, the projected deficit in ICU beds has shot up from 1,090 to 3,300 (Remember Sweden only has 80 ICU Beds) and the ventilator deficit has increased from 994 to just under 3,000. Additionally the projected deaths through July 2020 has skyrocketed from 4,000 to 13,250. The only good news in this is they still have a little time for social distancing to potentially blunt this, but this is looking bad, very bad. Unlike the Brits, I'm not sure what the Sweeds are doing at this point. This is the first time in over a month where Ive see the UW IMHE Projection Model accelerate after a location is in the mature portion of the infection wave of the the disease curve. About a month ago, this would happen early on in the United States when a location would refuse to social distance, but once they did, the projection started to decisively go the other way at an accelerating rate as time took hold. Again, what is happening in Sweden is decidedly NOT good. This should also be a cautionary tale for everyone in the US who wants to relax stay at home orders right now.

2) What is the Epicenter of this Pandemic? In the United States both the Media and the National Political Leadership both keep pushing the narrative that the Epicenter of the pandemic is someplace other that where it is. Fortunately in the last 48 hours the media is starting to see the error in its reporting, for whatever reason, and are starting to get closer to reporting the true Epicenter of this Pandemic - EUROPE. While the Scientist are fairly sure the evidence supports the theory that COVID-19 Started in Bats, transited to Pangolins and then transited to Human in Wuhan, China. From there there two primary expansive shots of infection from China to the rest of the world, the first a shot to Europe and the second a shot to North America. The North American Shot landed in Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles and Denver. It infected all of those areas and there surrounding areas but while the virus did travel outward from there, relatively speaking that travel was not very much. Now in Europe, when the disease landed there cooked off quickly, seeding the entire continent and then seeded pretty much rest of the entire world (there are a huge number of societal reason that caused this but way beyond this discussion). From the genetic sequencing of the DNA of the viral outbreak, don by amazing scientists at the Fred Hutch Cancer Center in Seattle, who are the global experts on this issue, they have shown that Europe was the key global distribution hub, so to speak, for COVID-19. The Bat in Wuhan may have been the Manufacturer and did some one off sales in East Asia (Taiwan, Japan, North Korea) and North America (Seattle, LA, SF and Denver), but that bat through it sales agents, the Pangolins and select humans, sold shipped it to its distributors in Europe, which acted like a global Amazon Prime Distribution Center and effectively using 1 hour, 2 hour, next day and 2 day delivery mechanisms over a 21 to 28 day period distributed the virus to the entire globe. An Epicenter is the central point of something, typically a difficult or unpleasant situation. 8 of the top 10 most infected places in the globe are in Europe, which is an indicator of its first to be saturated, only the US which is only #7 and Israel is #10. Europe is also the first across the board to achieve containment and down-slope on the first curve, which gives another data point of its leading status, and the truth is that pretty much everywhere in the world, except the North American West Coast and a few places in East Asia were seeded by virus strain from Europe. While Wuhan may be the beginning, it was clearly not the center of of distribution that was Europe. Europe was the Typhoid Mary in this case not China.

3) Summary Commentary on the various curves ~ for the most part all of the trends of the last few days, across the board, continued on their previous trend lines, with some unknowns for a number of jurisdictions who did not report. Those who did not report, probably did not, due to a combination of it being Sunday and Easter Holiday. Sunday is always kind of a wonky numbers day and many places don't report on Sundays. That being said there were a couple of very noticeable upticks that need to be watched in the United States: Massachusetts & Boston and the City of Chicago, all had significant upticks reversals in relation to trend, is it a one day noisy blip which happens or a signal of something else?
I stopped reading there. Anyone using that broken model as a basis for predictions is doing it wrong.
Predictive models based on hard data which effect policy which proves the models inaccurate is a good thing. 8-)
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kalm wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:30 am

Good evening, I took a few hours away from everything this evening to just chillax, so I was late in posting this up but here are today's numbers.


First the UK, the Power of Social Distancing is kicking in hard core. The US IMHE Model is still predicting some pretty cataclysmic stuff for the UK but it is trending down fast for the situation to be closer to a Lite version of a New York style cataclysm, versus one that was headed for 5X worse than New York. Here are some comparative numbers to show just how powerful and how fast & effective social distancing and stay at home orders are once they are at full power. In the UK the Peak Hospital usage date has moved up to 2 days to 4/15/20, the Hospital Bed Shortage has been cut from 85,000 beds to 46,000 beds, the ICU Bed Shortage has been cut from 24,000 to 7,400 and the ventilator shortage has been cut from 21,000 to 12,600. Additionally the projected cumulative death count through July 2020 has been cut from 66,000 to 37,500. This is a HUGE Improvement and show the power of the mitigation measures being used. My expectation is that we will see additional massive improvements over the next few days. The trends are suggesting the UK can potentially handle this in a very ugly and painful manner while still maintaining its NHS, just barely. Hopefully it will be even better. This just shows a stoic truth about the British, when they resolve to do so something with a war time effort and mobilization they do it forcefully and completely, they, of all of the western countries, have not forgot the painful lessons of world war and what it takes to win and appear to be fully engaged in winning this war now.

Now for Sweden. Things have not gotten better, they have gotten worse, far worse. The projected Peak has pushed out seven days to 5/3/2020 and its not because the curve is flattening. The projected Deficit in Hospital Beds has increased massively to 12,700 from 2,900, the projected deficit in ICU beds has shot up from 1,090 to 3,300 (Remember Sweden only has 80 ICU Beds) and the ventilator deficit has increased from 994 to just under 3,000. Additionally the projected deaths through July 2020 has skyrocketed from 4,000 to 13,250. The only good news in this is they still have a little time for social distancing to potentially blunt this, but this is looking bad, very bad. Unlike the Brits, I'm not sure what the Sweeds are doing at this point. This is the first time in over a month where Ive see the UW IMHE Projection Model accelerate after a location is in the mature portion of the infection wave of the the disease curve. About a month ago, this would happen early on in the United States when a location would refuse to social distance, but once they did, the projection started to decisively go the other way at an accelerating rate as time took hold. Again, what is happening in Sweden is decidedly NOT good. This should also be a cautionary tale for everyone in the US who wants to relax stay at home orders right now.

2) What is the Epicenter of this Pandemic? In the United States both the Media and the National Political Leadership both keep pushing the narrative that the Epicenter of the pandemic is someplace other that where it is. Fortunately in the last 48 hours the media is starting to see the error in its reporting, for whatever reason, and are starting to get closer to reporting the true Epicenter of this Pandemic - EUROPE. While the Scientist are fairly sure the evidence supports the theory that COVID-19 Started in Bats, transited to Pangolins and then transited to Human in Wuhan, China. From there there two primary expansive shots of infection from China to the rest of the world, the first a shot to Europe and the second a shot to North America. The North American Shot landed in Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles and Denver. It infected all of those areas and there surrounding areas but while the virus did travel outward from there, relatively speaking that travel was not very much. Now in Europe, when the disease landed there cooked off quickly, seeding the entire continent and then seeded pretty much rest of the entire world (there are a huge number of societal reason that caused this but way beyond this discussion). From the genetic sequencing of the DNA of the viral outbreak, don by amazing scientists at the Fred Hutch Cancer Center in Seattle, who are the global experts on this issue, they have shown that Europe was the key global distribution hub, so to speak, for COVID-19. The Bat in Wuhan may have been the Manufacturer and did some one off sales in East Asia (Taiwan, Japan, North Korea) and North America (Seattle, LA, SF and Denver), but that bat through it sales agents, the Pangolins and select humans, sold shipped it to its distributors in Europe, which acted like a global Amazon Prime Distribution Center and effectively using 1 hour, 2 hour, next day and 2 day delivery mechanisms over a 21 to 28 day period distributed the virus to the entire globe. An Epicenter is the central point of something, typically a difficult or unpleasant situation. 8 of the top 10 most infected places in the globe are in Europe, which is an indicator of its first to be saturated, only the US which is only #7 and Israel is #10. Europe is also the first across the board to achieve containment and down-slope on the first curve, which gives another data point of its leading status, and the truth is that pretty much everywhere in the world, except the North American West Coast and a few places in East Asia were seeded by virus strain from Europe. While Wuhan may be the beginning, it was clearly not the center of of distribution that was Europe. Europe was the Typhoid Mary in this case not China.

3) Summary Commentary on the various curves ~ for the most part all of the trends of the last few days, across the board, continued on their previous trend lines, with some unknowns for a number of jurisdictions who did not report. Those who did not report, probably did not, due to a combination of it being Sunday and Easter Holiday. Sunday is always kind of a wonky numbers day and many places don't report on Sundays. That being said there were a couple of very noticeable upticks that need to be watched in the United States: Massachusetts & Boston and the City of Chicago, all had significant upticks reversals in relation to trend, is it a one day noisy blip which happens or a signal of something else?
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Winterborn wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:11 am
Who is this guy you are quoting?
His dealer/bookie.
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SDHornet wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:13 am
I think the unknown of this thing warranted shutting down the borders/international travel even though it came later than it should have (thanks again China and WHO for lying to the world). But like you said, aside from that it was all up to the states to determine their best course of action with Fed support as needed. Won't stop the "Trump's fault" narratives though.
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CAA Flagship wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:24 am
Winterborn wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:11 am
Who is this guy you are quoting?
His dealer/bookie.
Ah, that makes sense. Also explains why Kalm is not the best at pick-ums..... :coffee:
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CAA Flagship wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:24 am
Winterborn wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:11 am
Who is this guy you are quoting?
His dealer/bookie.
I thought it was his astrologer.
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kalm wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:16 am
Ibanez wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:06 am

That is one of the options. I'd be interested to see where we would be if he had done nothing. Probably a lot more dead.


And a 1,000,000,000% increase in democrat pearl clutching.
His was forced. He will always reassuring to his 20% base. His lack of honesty and reassurance to the rest shows what a shitty leader he is. People confuse bullying powers with strong leadership throughout history.
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UNI88 wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:28 am
CAA Flagship wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:24 am

His dealer/bookie.
I thought it was his astrologer.
:lol: He does that part time.
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Re: Coronavirus

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Winterborn wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:11 am
kalm wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:30 am

Good evening, I took a few hours away from everything this evening to just chillax, so I was late in posting this up but here are today's numbers.


First the UK, the Power of Social Distancing is kicking in hard core. The US IMHE Model is still predicting some pretty cataclysmic stuff for the UK but it is trending down fast for the situation to be closer to a Lite version of a New York style cataclysm, versus one that was headed for 5X worse than New York. Here are some comparative numbers to show just how powerful and how fast & effective social distancing and stay at home orders are once they are at full power. In the UK the Peak Hospital usage date has moved up to 2 days to 4/15/20, the Hospital Bed Shortage has been cut from 85,000 beds to 46,000 beds, the ICU Bed Shortage has been cut from 24,000 to 7,400 and the ventilator shortage has been cut from 21,000 to 12,600. Additionally the projected cumulative death count through July 2020 has been cut from 66,000 to 37,500. This is a HUGE Improvement and show the power of the mitigation measures being used. My expectation is that we will see additional massive improvements over the next few days. The trends are suggesting the UK can potentially handle this in a very ugly and painful manner while still maintaining its NHS, just barely. Hopefully it will be even better. This just shows a stoic truth about the British, when they resolve to do so something with a war time effort and mobilization they do it forcefully and completely, they, of all of the western countries, have not forgot the painful lessons of world war and what it takes to win and appear to be fully engaged in winning this war now.

Now for Sweden. Things have not gotten better, they have gotten worse, far worse. The projected Peak has pushed out seven days to 5/3/2020 and its not because the curve is flattening. The projected Deficit in Hospital Beds has increased massively to 12,700 from 2,900, the projected deficit in ICU beds has shot up from 1,090 to 3,300 (Remember Sweden only has 80 ICU Beds) and the ventilator deficit has increased from 994 to just under 3,000. Additionally the projected deaths through July 2020 has skyrocketed from 4,000 to 13,250. The only good news in this is they still have a little time for social distancing to potentially blunt this, but this is looking bad, very bad. Unlike the Brits, I'm not sure what the Sweeds are doing at this point. This is the first time in over a month where Ive see the UW IMHE Projection Model accelerate after a location is in the mature portion of the infection wave of the the disease curve. About a month ago, this would happen early on in the United States when a location would refuse to social distance, but once they did, the projection started to decisively go the other way at an accelerating rate as time took hold. Again, what is happening in Sweden is decidedly NOT good. This should also be a cautionary tale for everyone in the US who wants to relax stay at home orders right now.

2) What is the Epicenter of this Pandemic? In the United States both the Media and the National Political Leadership both keep pushing the narrative that the Epicenter of the pandemic is someplace other that where it is. Fortunately in the last 48 hours the media is starting to see the error in its reporting, for whatever reason, and are starting to get closer to reporting the true Epicenter of this Pandemic - EUROPE. While the Scientist are fairly sure the evidence supports the theory that COVID-19 Started in Bats, transited to Pangolins and then transited to Human in Wuhan, China. From there there two primary expansive shots of infection from China to the rest of the world, the first a shot to Europe and the second a shot to North America. The North American Shot landed in Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles and Denver. It infected all of those areas and there surrounding areas but while the virus did travel outward from there, relatively speaking that travel was not very much. Now in Europe, when the disease landed there cooked off quickly, seeding the entire continent and then seeded pretty much rest of the entire world (there are a huge number of societal reason that caused this but way beyond this discussion). From the genetic sequencing of the DNA of the viral outbreak, don by amazing scientists at the Fred Hutch Cancer Center in Seattle, who are the global experts on this issue, they have shown that Europe was the key global distribution hub, so to speak, for COVID-19. The Bat in Wuhan may have been the Manufacturer and did some one off sales in East Asia (Taiwan, Japan, North Korea) and North America (Seattle, LA, SF and Denver), but that bat through it sales agents, the Pangolins and select humans, sold shipped it to its distributors in Europe, which acted like a global Amazon Prime Distribution Center and effectively using 1 hour, 2 hour, next day and 2 day delivery mechanisms over a 21 to 28 day period distributed the virus to the entire globe. An Epicenter is the central point of something, typically a difficult or unpleasant situation. 8 of the top 10 most infected places in the globe are in Europe, which is an indicator of its first to be saturated, only the US which is only #7 and Israel is #10. Europe is also the first across the board to achieve containment and down-slope on the first curve, which gives another data point of its leading status, and the truth is that pretty much everywhere in the world, except the North American West Coast and a few places in East Asia were seeded by virus strain from Europe. While Wuhan may be the beginning, it was clearly not the center of of distribution that was Europe. Europe was the Typhoid Mary in this case not China.

3) Summary Commentary on the various curves ~ for the most part all of the trends of the last few days, across the board, continued on their previous trend lines, with some unknowns for a number of jurisdictions who did not report. Those who did not report, probably did not, due to a combination of it being Sunday and Easter Holiday. Sunday is always kind of a wonky numbers day and many places don't report on Sundays. That being said there were a couple of very noticeable upticks that need to be watched in the United States: Massachusetts & Boston and the City of Chicago, all had significant upticks reversals in relation to trend, is it a one day noisy blip which happens or a signal of something else?
Who is this guy you are quoting?
I’ve posted his stuff before. It’s a private political FB group he shares with. He’s experienced in international relations and business and one of his specialties and business interests is data analytics. He invited me to join because we were childhood friends and have some similar interests. I’m sure I drive him nuts sometimes like I do to you guys... :mrgreen:

But he’s been putting yeomans work into his daily reporting including hard number spreadsheets taken from country’s official numbers right down to regional health districts since this all started and his commentary has been spot on.

I take everything with a grain of salt including his and the IMHE numbers. I just don’t reject them out of hand due to linear thinking and confirmation bias.

This is as serious and non satirical as you’ll see kalm so do with it as you see fit. :thumb:
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CAA Flagship wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:30 am
kalm wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:16 am

His was forced. He will always reassuring to his 20% base. His lack of honesty and reassurance to the rest shows what a shitty leader he is. People confuse bullying powers with strong leadership throughout history.
Forced to do what?
Science and data.
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SDHornet wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:33 am
kalm wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:30 am


Good evening, I took a few hours away from everything this evening to just chillax, so I was late in posting this up but here are today's numbers.


First the UK, the Power of Social Distancing is kicking in hard core. The US IMHE Model is still predicting some pretty cataclysmic stuff for the UK but it is trending down fast for the situation to be closer to a Lite version of a New York style cataclysm, versus one that was headed for 5X worse than New York. Here are some comparative numbers to show just how powerful and how fast & effective social distancing and stay at home orders are once they are at full power. In the UK the Peak Hospital usage date has moved up to 2 days to 4/15/20, the Hospital Bed Shortage has been cut from 85,000 beds to 46,000 beds, the ICU Bed Shortage has been cut from 24,000 to 7,400 and the ventilator shortage has been cut from 21,000 to 12,600. Additionally the projected cumulative death count through July 2020 has been cut from 66,000 to 37,500. This is a HUGE Improvement and show the power of the mitigation measures being used. My expectation is that we will see additional massive improvements over the next few days. The trends are suggesting the UK can potentially handle this in a very ugly and painful manner while still maintaining its NHS, just barely. Hopefully it will be even better. This just shows a stoic truth about the British, when they resolve to do so something with a war time effort and mobilization they do it forcefully and completely, they, of all of the western countries, have not forgot the painful lessons of world war and what it takes to win and appear to be fully engaged in winning this war now.

Now for Sweden. Things have not gotten better, they have gotten worse, far worse. The projected Peak has pushed out seven days to 5/3/2020 and its not because the curve is flattening. The projected Deficit in Hospital Beds has increased massively to 12,700 from 2,900, the projected deficit in ICU beds has shot up from 1,090 to 3,300 (Remember Sweden only has 80 ICU Beds) and the ventilator deficit has increased from 994 to just under 3,000. Additionally the projected deaths through July 2020 has skyrocketed from 4,000 to 13,250. The only good news in this is they still have a little time for social distancing to potentially blunt this, but this is looking bad, very bad. Unlike the Brits, I'm not sure what the Sweeds are doing at this point. This is the first time in over a month where Ive see the UW IMHE Projection Model accelerate after a location is in the mature portion of the infection wave of the the disease curve. About a month ago, this would happen early on in the United States when a location would refuse to social distance, but once they did, the projection started to decisively go the other way at an accelerating rate as time took hold. Again, what is happening in Sweden is decidedly NOT good. This should also be a cautionary tale for everyone in the US who wants to relax stay at home orders right now.

2) What is the Epicenter of this Pandemic? In the United States both the Media and the National Political Leadership both keep pushing the narrative that the Epicenter of the pandemic is someplace other that where it is. Fortunately in the last 48 hours the media is starting to see the error in its reporting, for whatever reason, and are starting to get closer to reporting the true Epicenter of this Pandemic - EUROPE. While the Scientist are fairly sure the evidence supports the theory that COVID-19 Started in Bats, transited to Pangolins and then transited to Human in Wuhan, China. From there there two primary expansive shots of infection from China to the rest of the world, the first a shot to Europe and the second a shot to North America. The North American Shot landed in Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles and Denver. It infected all of those areas and there surrounding areas but while the virus did travel outward from there, relatively speaking that travel was not very much. Now in Europe, when the disease landed there cooked off quickly, seeding the entire continent and then seeded pretty much rest of the entire world (there are a huge number of societal reason that caused this but way beyond this discussion). From the genetic sequencing of the DNA of the viral outbreak, don by amazing scientists at the Fred Hutch Cancer Center in Seattle, who are the global experts on this issue, they have shown that Europe was the key global distribution hub, so to speak, for COVID-19. The Bat in Wuhan may have been the Manufacturer and did some one off sales in East Asia (Taiwan, Japan, North Korea) and North America (Seattle, LA, SF and Denver), but that bat through it sales agents, the Pangolins and select humans, sold shipped it to its distributors in Europe, which acted like a global Amazon Prime Distribution Center and effectively using 1 hour, 2 hour, next day and 2 day delivery mechanisms over a 21 to 28 day period distributed the virus to the entire globe. An Epicenter is the central point of something, typically a difficult or unpleasant situation. 8 of the top 10 most infected places in the globe are in Europe, which is an indicator of its first to be saturated, only the US which is only #7 and Israel is #10. Europe is also the first across the board to achieve containment and down-slope on the first curve, which gives another data point of its leading status, and the truth is that pretty much everywhere in the world, except the North American West Coast and a few places in East Asia were seeded by virus strain from Europe. While Wuhan may be the beginning, it was clearly not the center of of distribution that was Europe. Europe was the Typhoid Mary in this case not China.

3) Summary Commentary on the various curves ~ for the most part all of the trends of the last few days, across the board, continued on their previous trend lines, with some unknowns for a number of jurisdictions who did not report. Those who did not report, probably did not, due to a combination of it being Sunday and Easter Holiday. Sunday is always kind of a wonky numbers day and many places don't report on Sundays. That being said there were a couple of very noticeable upticks that need to be watched in the United States: Massachusetts & Boston and the City of Chicago, all had significant upticks reversals in relation to trend, is it a one day noisy blip which happens or a signal of something else?
I stopped reading there. Anyone using that broken model as a basis for predictions is doing it wrong.
Yep. The IHME predictions have proven to be garbage. Yet their's isn't even as bad as some of these other models that some states are using that have shown to be even more garbage. Its like you have a football site who's in game and post game stats are good, but their predictions are garbage.
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Who is this guy you are quoting?
His dealer/bookie.
Nerdish TL/DR verbosity, and anti Trump..JSO?
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kalm wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:32 am
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Forced to do what?
Science and data.
To do what?
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kalm wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:30 am
Winterborn wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:11 am

Who is this guy you are quoting?
I’ve posted his stuff before. It’s a private political FB group he shares with. He’s experienced in international relations and business and one of his specialties and business interests is data analytics. He invited me to join because we were childhood friends and have some similar interests. I’m sure I drive him nuts sometimes like I do to you guys... :mrgreen:

But he’s been putting yeomans work into his daily reporting including hard number spreadsheets taken from country’s official numbers right down to regional health districts since this all started and his commentary has been spot on.

I take everything with a grain of salt including his and the IMHE numbers. I just don’t reject them out of hand due to linear thinking and confirmation bias.

This is as serious and non satirical as you’ll see kalm so do with it as you see fit. :thumb:
I have to give him props for putting it together but going to disagree on his analysis. It is interesting to see his take, and I don't doubt his graphs but his conclusions are where his lack of epidemiology knowledge shows up IMHO. I have the same lack, so I can't really comment more than that, but based on some preliminary papers I have been reading out of Germany, actual fatality rate is about 0.37 when you doing general testing of the entire population. I guess we will see who is right. :thumb:

As for your last sentence, always good to know if someone is actually serious.

This site seems to run on 69.3% tolling, 23.77% making up data to support the trolling attempts, and 6.93% of actually truth. :coffee:
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kalm wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:30 am
Winterborn wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:11 am

Who is this guy you are quoting?
I’ve posted his stuff before. It’s a private political FB group he shares with. He’s experienced in international relations and business and one of his specialties and business interests is data analytics. He invited me to join because we were childhood friends and have some similar interests. I’m sure I drive him nuts sometimes like I do to you guys... :mrgreen:

But he’s been putting yeomans work into his daily reporting including hard number spreadsheets taken from country’s official numbers right down to regional health districts since this all started and his commentary has been spot on.

I take everything with a grain of salt including his and the IMHE numbers. I just don’t reject them out of hand due to linear thinking and confirmation bias.

This is as serious and non satirical as you’ll see kalm so do with it as you see fit. :thumb:
It’s not confirmation bias. When a model is continually wrong by magnitudes, it ceases to be a viable discussion point. IMHE is at that point. It hasn’t been CLOSE to being right since this thing started.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:14 pm
kalm wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:30 am

I’ve posted his stuff before. It’s a private political FB group he shares with. He’s experienced in international relations and business and one of his specialties and business interests is data analytics. He invited me to join because we were childhood friends and have some similar interests. I’m sure I drive him nuts sometimes like I do to you guys... :mrgreen:

But he’s been putting yeomans work into his daily reporting including hard number spreadsheets taken from country’s official numbers right down to regional health districts since this all started and his commentary has been spot on.

I take everything with a grain of salt including his and the IMHE numbers. I just don’t reject them out of hand due to linear thinking and confirmation bias.

This is as serious and non satirical as you’ll see kalm so do with it as you see fit. :thumb:
It’s not confirmation bias. When a model is continually wrong by magnitudes, it ceases to be a viable discussion point. IMHE is at that point. It hasn’t been CLOSE to being right since this thing started.
I suck at math and data analytics and even I understand the concepts behind predictive models using real hard data that influence public policy decision making which in turn proves those predictions false.

The delicious part is Trump is benefiting from these models too.

But yeah...the IMHE, Fred Hutch, CDC, Fauci, Neil Ferguson. and London School are a bunch of loser dumb dumbs who were proven wrong!

Go with that. You’ll be able consider yourself right for years!

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kalm wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:30 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:14 pm

It’s not confirmation bias. When a model is continually wrong by magnitudes, it ceases to be a viable discussion point. IMHE is at that point. It hasn’t been CLOSE to being right since this thing started.
I suck at math and data analytics and even I understand the concepts behind predictive models using real hard data that influence public policy decision making which in turn proves those predictions false.

The delicious part is Trump is benefiting from these models too.

But yeah...the IMHE, Fred Hutch, CDC, Fauci, Neil Ferguson. and London School are a bunch of loser dumb dumbs who were proven wrong!

Go with that. You’ll be able consider yourself right for years!

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I would not go that far, see my comment about trolling, but I do think they CYA themselves into a corner with their initial assumptions in the simulations.
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Winterborn wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:51 pm
kalm wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:30 pm

I suck at math and data analytics and even I understand the concepts behind predictive models using real hard data that influence public policy decision making which in turn proves those predictions false.

The delicious part is Trump is benefiting from these models too.

But yeah...the IMHE, Fred Hutch, CDC, Fauci, Neil Ferguson. and London School are a bunch of loser dumb dumbs who were proven wrong!

Go with that. You’ll be able consider yourself right for years!

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I would not go that far, see my comment about trolling, but I do think they CYA themselves into a corner with their initial assumptions in the simulations.
1). Some of that remains to be seen.

2). Their numbers were based off current trajectories at the time if no mitigation/suppression tactics were taken. That continues to be the disconnect for the deniers.

3). This guy would love to see them proven wrong. I have fish to catch and birdies to make. :nod:
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Ibanez wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:06 am That is one of the options. I'd be interested to see where we would be if he had done nothing. Probably a lot more dead.


And a 1,000,000,000% increase in democrat pearl clutching.
His was forced. He will always reassuring to his 20% base. His lack of honesty and reassurance to the rest shows what a shitty leader he is. People confuse bullying powers with strong leadership throughout history.
I don't but I would say for a bunch of sheep you are shitty followers

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Here’s another example of why it’s fucking stupid to point fingers at models and push an immediate return to normal without further knowledge....
World Health Organization officials said Monday not all people who recover from the coronavirus have the antibodies to fight a second infection, raising concern that patients may not develop immunity after surviving.

“With regards to recovery and then reinfection, I believe we do not have the answers to that. That is an unknown,” Dr. Mike Ryan, executive director of WHO’s emergencies program, said at a press conference at the organization’s Geneva headquarters on Monday.

A preliminary study of patients in Shanghai found that some patients had “no detectable antibody response” while others had a very high response, said Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, WHO’s lead scientist on Covid-19. Whether the patients who had a strong antibody response were immune to a second infection is “a separate question,” she added
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Winterborn wrote:
kalm wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:30 am I’ve posted his stuff before. It’s a private political FB group he shares with. He’s experienced in international relations and business and one of his specialties and business interests is data analytics. He invited me to join because we were childhood friends and have some similar interests. I’m sure I drive him nuts sometimes like I do to you guys... :mrgreen:

But he’s been putting yeomans work into his daily reporting including hard number spreadsheets taken from country’s official numbers right down to regional health districts since this all started and his commentary has been spot on.

I take everything with a grain of salt including his and the IMHE numbers. I just don’t reject them out of hand due to linear thinking and confirmation bias.

This is as serious and non satirical as you’ll see kalm so do with it as you see fit. :thumb:
I have to give him props for putting it together but going to disagree on his analysis. It is interesting to see his take, and I don't doubt his graphs but his conclusions are where his lack of epidemiology knowledge shows up IMHO. I have the same lack, so I can't really comment more than that, but based on some preliminary papers I have been reading out of Germany, actual fatality rate is about 0.37 when you doing general testing of the entire population. I guess we will see who is right. :thumb:

As for your last sentence, always good to know if someone is actually serious.

This site seems to run on 69.3% tolling, 23.77% making up data to support the trolling attempts, and 6.93% of actually truth. :coffee:
Man you are an optimistic mutherfucker!

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kalm wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:34 pm Here’s another example of why it’s fucking stupid to point fingers at models and push an immediate return to normal without further knowledge....
World Health Organization officials said Monday not all people who recover from the coronavirus have the antibodies to fight a second infection, raising concern that patients may not develop immunity after surviving.

“With regards to recovery and then reinfection, I believe we do not have the answers to that. That is an unknown,” Dr. Mike Ryan, executive director of WHO’s emergencies program, said at a press conference at the organization’s Geneva headquarters on Monday.

A preliminary study of patients in Shanghai found that some patients had “no detectable antibody response” while others had a very high response, said Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, WHO’s lead scientist on Covid-19. Whether the patients who had a strong antibody response were immune to a second infection is “a separate question,” she added
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This is not really new. I read about it a couple of weeks ago that they were looking into people's immune responses.
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Not knowing the population of asymptomatic people is still clouding the issue.

The gap between confirmed COVID-19 cases and the actual number of infections, which is crucial in estimating the prevalence and lethality of the virus that causes the disease, may be far larger than most epidemiologists have assumed. According to a recent analysis by two German researchers, the official numbers published by 40 national governments at the end of March represented just 6 percent of infections on average, meaning that "the true number of infected people worldwide may already have reached several tens of millions," as opposed to the current global tally of fewer than 2 million.
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kalm wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:25 pm
Winterborn wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:51 pm

I would not go that far, see my comment about trolling, but I do think they CYA themselves into a corner with their initial assumptions in the simulations.
1). Some of that remains to be seen.

2). Their numbers were based off current trajectories at the time if no mitigation/suppression tactics were taken. That continues to be the disconnect for the deniers.

3). This guy would love to see them proven wrong. I have fish to catch and birdies to make. :nod:
Their #s with mitigation were way off.
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