Coronavirus COVID-19

[Ivytalk]

I know that the WHO produced the greatest rock opera in the 20th century.

[89Hen]

I know that the WHO produced the greatest rock opera in the 20th century.

Two of them really.

[BDKJMU]

In the six days after top Chinese officials secretly determined they likely were facing a pandemic from a new coronavirus, the city of Wuhan at the epicenter of the disease hosted a mass banquet for tens of thousands of people; millions began traveling through for Lunar New Year celebrations.

President Xi Jinping warned the public on the seventh day, Jan. 20. But by that time, more than 3,000 people had been infected during almost a week of public silence, according to internal documents obtained by The Associated Press and expert estimates based on retrospective infection data.

https://apnews.com/68a9e1b91de4ffc166acd6012d82c2f9

During this time the WHO was tweeting that this thing wasn't transmissible from human to human.
Fuck China and the WHO.

Yep. US 4+% of the worlds population (330 million of 7.8 billion), yet almost 15% of the WHO budget. China about 18% of world’s population, yet around 0.21% of the WHO budget.
http://open.who.int/2018-19/contributors/contributor

[BDKJMU]

My world is upside down. JSO goes from being a conservative to having the biggest case of TDS on the board while Cleets and Kalm are backing Trump. Cats and dogs living together. Total hysteria.

All Trump stuff aside, the WHO was not wrong in saying travel restrictions don't work. It's what the previous research said and it's been pretty much confirmed by this current episode. It's something that seems to make sense to the common man so governments come under intense pressure to do it. But the WHO was correct in taking that position. But we have media people like that person who wrote the Reason article who don't understand so the WHO comes under criticism for taking the correct position.

Wrong. That’s like saying quarantines don’t work.

[∞∞∞]

All Trump stuff aside, the WHO was not wrong in saying travel restrictions don't work. It's what the previous research said and it's been pretty much confirmed by this current episode. It's something that seems to make sense to the common man so governments come under intense pressure to do it. But the WHO was correct in taking that position. But we have media people like that person who wrote the Reason article who don't understand so the WHO comes under criticism for taking the correct position.

Wrong. That’s like saying quarantines don’t work.

Oh lord, do we need to quote you literally every article and research about this topic?

You'd literally need to close the country BEFORE anyone gets infected and once it's IN the country, no travel restriction is going to make it stop. We didn't shut down the country nor did we ban travel before it got in (which is expected and ok).

And btw, "closing" the country doesn't mean we stop travel with one nation or even one type of travel. It means CLOSING the country...as in travel dealing with leisure and all commerce. Exports, imports, business, etc. Otherwise, it's finding its way in.

Banning travel from China (which had already restricted movement in its country at that point) and not doing anything anywhere else, especially since it had already spread elsewhere, was insignificant at best.

[BDKJMU]

#1 Hotspot in the country for COVID-19.

South Dakota Outbreak Link

SIOUX FALLS, S.D. (KELO) — A South Dakota pork processing plant, which has shut down indefinitely, is now the number one coronavirus hotspot in the country, according to data compiled by the New York Times and KELOLAND News.

On Wednesday, South Dakota Department of Health officials confirmed 80 new cases among Smithfield employees in addition to a total of 126 cases connected to those Smithfield Foods employees. That brings the total to 644 cases connected to the plant.

A South Dakota non-profit also announced the death of a Smithfield worker related to COVID-19. That case wasn’t confirmed by the state on Wednesday.

Chinese pork plant..

[BDKJMU]

Wrong. That’s like saying quarantines don’t work.

Oh lord, do we need to quote you literally every article and research about this topic?

You'd literally need to close the country BEFORE anyone gets infected and once it's IN the country, no travel restriction is going to make it stop. We didn't shut down the country nor did we ban travel before it got in (which is expected and ok).

And btw, "closing" the country doesn't mean we stop travel with one nation or even one type of travel. It means CLOSING the country...as in travel dealing with leisure and all commerce. Exports, imports, business, etc. Otherwise, it's finding its way in.

Travel restrictions can keep additional cases from coming in..If you have a limited # of cases of a certain disease in your country, and you have a country that has a massive outbreak of the same disease, shutting off travel from that country will limit the # of new cases coming into your country. It will keep your cases from being higher than they otherwise would be. Its not going to stop the spread in your country, but slow it down. Duh.

[UNI88]

I did say that "the models that can help us determine that will be complicated and inexact but they have to be a part of the decision-making process."

I would love to be a part of trying to develop that kind of model. When I decided to change my college course of study (from Engineering & Computer Science) the choice was between Political Science, Economics and Sociology. I chose to major in Poly Sci and minor in Economics because I could finish in 4 years but the opportunity to get into Econometrics as part of an Economics major almost swayed my decision.

If you've mentioned the Poly Sci major before I haven't noticed. Did you graduate in 1988? Have guys like Lyle Alberts and Alan Hays as profs? My major was Public Administration. Was going to minor in economics as well but didn't finish the minor. F. Abraham was my favorite econ prof.

Sorry for the thread hijack.

I did graduate in 1988 but I spent too much time at Suds and don't remember the names of all the professors so I had to go and look some up. Dennis Grady was my favorite Poly Sci prof - if I remember correctly he was moving up the ladder in North Carolina politics but a health scare or something made him reevaluate his life's choices and he went into teaching. Had great real-world examples. Abraham's name is familiar but my favorite Econ prof was Janet Rives. She was from Connecticut and her dad used to work the clock at UConn games so we always talked college basketball. I liked Bruce Anderson and I think Charles Strein as well. Bruce completely dissected Jack Kemp's economic plan when he was running for President in 1988. There were a lot of Accounting nerds that minored in Economics too and they were really competitive on grades so I loved coming into a morning class looking like I'd been run over by a truck after a late night at Suds and getting the high score on a test. It drove them nuts.

[AshevilleApp]

A friend on Facebook posted a fake (wishful) newspaper headline that goes:

"Yoko Ono Sings on City Streets to Ensure NY Residents Stay Inside."

[kalm]

Oh lord, do we need to quote you literally every article and research about this topic?

You'd literally need to close the country BEFORE anyone gets infected and once it's IN the country, no travel restriction is going to make it stop. We didn't shut down the country nor did we ban travel before it got in (which is expected and ok).

And btw, "closing" the country doesn't mean we stop travel with one nation or even one type of travel. It means CLOSING the country...as in travel dealing with leisure and all commerce. Exports, imports, business, etc. Otherwise, it's finding its way in.

Travel restrictions can keep additional cases from coming in..If you have a limited # of cases of a certain disease in your country, and you have a country that has a massive outbreak of the same disease, shutting off travel from that country will limit the # of new cases coming into your country. It will keep your cases from being higher than they otherwise would be. Its not going to stop the spread in your country, but slow it down. Duh.

[kalm]

A friend on Facebook posted a fake (wishful) newspaper headline that goes:

"Yoko Ono Sings on City Streets to Ensure NY Residents Stay Inside."

Speaking of Yoko. I just started listening to the Claypool - Lennon Delirium. Some of literally sounds like the Beatles meet Primus meet Elliot Smith. Good stuff.

[HI54UNI]

If you've mentioned the Poly Sci major before I haven't noticed. Did you graduate in 1988? Have guys like Lyle Alberts and Alan Hays as profs? My major was Public Administration. Was going to minor in economics as well but didn't finish the minor. F. Abraham was my favorite econ prof.

Sorry for the thread hijack.

I did graduate in 1988 but I spent too much time at Suds and don't remember the names of all the professors so I had to go and look some up. Dennis Grady was my favorite Poly Sci prof - if I remember correctly he was moving up the ladder in North Carolina politics but a health scare or something made him reevaluate his life's choices and he went into teaching. Had great real-world examples. Abraham's name is familiar but my favorite Econ prof was Janet Rives. She was from Connecticut and her dad used to work the clock at UConn games so we always talked college basketball. I liked Bruce Anderson and I think Charles Strein as well. Bruce completely dissected Jack Kemp's economic plan when he was running for President in 1988. There were a lot of Accounting nerds that minored in Economics too and they were really competitive on grades so I loved coming into a morning class looking like I'd been run over by a truck after a late night at Suds and getting the high score on a test. It drove them nuts.

Strein is the only name I recognize on the list and I never had him. I was there 90-94 so there must've been a few changes in the years in between.

[kalm]

Lockdown end date 18MONTHS away says health minister Nadine Dorris in extraordinary claim
HEALTH minister Nadine Dorries has said the UK will be in "full lockdown" until a coronavirus vaccine has been made - which could be as long as 18 months away.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12694 ... us-vaccine

[89Hen]

Stiff upper lip for the Brits.

[Gil Dobie]

Lockdown end date 18MONTHS away says health minister Nadine Dorris in extraordinary claim
HEALTH minister Nadine Dorries has said the UK will be in "full lockdown" until a coronavirus vaccine has been made - which could be as long as 18 months away.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12694 ... us-vaccine

Might be missing 2 British Opens in a row, first time since WWII

[Pwns]

The notion of locking down any country for 18 months is beyond insane.

[kalm]

The notion of locking down any country for 18 months is beyond insane.

Especially with the lack of information.

[AZGrizFan]

Huh? Why did you ask me if I realized it's not a binary choice and then advocate a binary approach?

It's your opinion that this threat is undervalued. I think we're overvaluing it. Yes it's worse than the flu but it's also not the black death. We need to protect lives and make sure that we don't overwhelm the healthcare system but we also need to make sure that we don't send the economy into a tailspin. Depression, alcoholism, addiction, homelessness and suicide all cost lives; as does healthcare providers not seeing non-COVID19 patients; as does reducing essential services (fire, police) because of dropping tax revenues.

The economy and how it impacts all of our lives is complicated. We can't take a simplistic approach and focus solely on reducing COVID19 deaths.

And that's what has concerned me. People talking about letting this thing go without managing the virus. My perception of what AZ, you and BDK have been saying, is heck with the virus, lets just get back to normal, thousands of death a day be damned. Gannon wants a list of rules that could compete with the obamacare documentation. I was throwing out the end of May, because the models have the death rate down to around 100 deaths per day. No one else has proposed an acceptable number of deaths per day to open things back up. States like ND, MT, SD, NE, WY could all probably be back to business as normal if they had the testing and track and trace systems setup. The Northeast not so much.

If that’s your perception of my take then you have some reading comprehension issues, Gil. I have always differentiated between the “at risk” groups and the “not at risk” groups as far as normalcy goes. I put out an easy to follow list of guidelines for a series of businesses to allow them to begin to reopen and restart the economy. NOTHING about that even approaches “normal”....But I do believe that, outside of a couple hotspots around the country, the vast majority COULD get back to normal with not much of an impact to those ever-so-valuable curves Klammy keeps whining about.

[Ivytalk]

Lockdown end date 18MONTHS away says health minister Nadine Dorris in extraordinary claim
HEALTH minister Nadine Dorries has said the UK will be in "full lockdown" until a coronavirus vaccine has been made - which could be as long as 18 months away.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12694 ... us-vaccine

Time for Boris to sack Dorris.

[AZGrizFan]

This has been discussed quite a bit on here.

Good. And I'm sure all agreed that there is nothing nefarious about it and that CDC is just trying to do the best job it can of counting cases.

Yeah. No agenda there at all.

[Winterborn]

Lockdown end date 18MONTHS away says health minister Nadine Dorris in extraordinary claim
HEALTH minister Nadine Dorries has said the UK will be in "full lockdown" until a coronavirus vaccine has been made - which could be as long as 18 months away.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12694 ... us-vaccine

Time for Boris to sack Dorris.

Bet Dorris was not a Brexit supporter.

[Ivytalk]

Time for Boris to sack Dorris.

Bet Dorris was not a Brexit supporter.

We can all agree that she’s fugly. See the link!

[kalm]

Good. And I'm sure all agreed that there is nothing nefarious about it and that CDC is just trying to do the best job it can of counting cases.

Yeah. No agenda there at all.

It’s either really honest about what we don’t know or perhaps the dumbest and most dangerous statement by a public official at least in my lifetime.

[GannonFan]

Yeah. No agenda there at all.

It’s either really honest about what we don’t know or perhaps the dumbest and most dangerous statement by a public official at least in my lifetime.

Maybe it's out there and I just don't see it, but do we have any really good breakdown, state-wise or nationally, of all of the demographics of who's getting sick, who needs additional care, and who's dying from Covid? The John's Hopkins site is pretty general (number of cases, number of deaths) and I know they added recently the number of hospitalized and the number of recovered, but it doesn't seem like we have good data showing how certain population groups (whether it be age or race or income) are doing. For such an all-encompassing dilemma, we seem to be lacking data.

[Winterborn]

Bet Dorris was not a Brexit supporter.

We can all agree that she’s fugly. See the link!