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CAA Flagship wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:52 am
GannonFan wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:23 am

What's not great about it is the impact it's had on the medical system in the US - we're laying off way too many medical workers because of the misguided and, as it turns out, unnecessary step to turn all the focus of the medical industry onto COVID. Outside of maybe NYC, we never should've had that hyper-focus on COVID at the expense of elective surgeries and other medical practicing. I think both the medical industry as well as millions of patients would've been in a better spot today had they been able to maintain treatment and seen their doctors through this rather than the one-size-fits-all lockdown that we stumbled into. Again, when we're laying off front-line medical personnel, in the midst of a pandemic, we've really screwed it up.

So yeah, other than that it's a great thing. :suspicious:
Ganny, be careful of criticizing decisions made a month or so ago based on what we know today. Most of these people will be brought back. Most elective surgeries will eventually take place. These aren't uneaten meals at restaurants that won't be made up.
Some of us have been saying it for a month. :coffee:
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89Hen wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:44 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:35 am

I saw my Dr during this pandemic. Virtual appointments are great and don't take a lot of time away from my work day. Also, my Dr is available thru medical messaging, And if something serious were to happen, the hospital has a division between COVID-19 patients and non-COVID-19 patients.
So my Dr's office called and they want me to do a virtual appointment and then come in after all this for my bloodwork. What's the point of a virtual well visit?

Any pains? No
Any issues out of the ordinary? No

OK, I guess we're done here. I'll bill your insurance for the visit.

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My Atorvastatin prescription is about to run out. Called my doc for a refill, telling the assistant that I have to get my annual physical for insurance reasons by the end of August, but I don't want to go into the bloodwork with a lapse in the meds. I told them that with the pandemic, I would like to hold off the visits (bloodwork and doc visit) for another couple of months. They said no. I blasted the assistant. I said, "Oh great, I have the one doctor in America that doesn't overmedicate their patients." :ohno: :ohno:
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AZGrizFan wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:52 am
kalm wrote: Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:55 pm

I think that’s a great thing. :nod:
Yeah! It’s fucking awesome!
It's great that the lockdown worked.
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So, we never had exponential growth as some wolf-cryers proclaimed here. While we haven't hit the top of the bell yet, we've certainly flattened the curve as they say. Stock market is having one of its best months in history, even with Russia and SA flooding the oil supply. Good stuff:

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CAA Flagship wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:55 am My Atorvastatin prescription is about to run out. Called my doc for a refill, telling the assistant that I have to get my annual physical for insurance reasons by the end of August, but I don't want to go into the bloodwork with a lapse in the meds. I told them that with the pandemic, I would like to hold off the visits (bloodwork and doc visit) for another couple of months. They said no. I blasted the assistant. I said, "Oh great, I have the one doctor in America that doesn't overmedicate their patients." :ohno: :ohno:
:lol: That's actually my case as well. He's doing it for my statin RX, but I had my bloodwork done in maybe November or December... everything fine. Bloodwork should be all that matters for statins.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:05 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:52 am

Yeah! It’s fucking awesome!
It's great that the lockdown worked.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Yeah, THAT'S it.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:40 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:05 am

It's great that the lockdown worked.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Yeah, THAT'S it.
Still way over the average CDC recorded number of flu deaths of 3000-15,000 deaths per season, by quite a bit.
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89Hen wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:18 am
CAA Flagship wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:55 am My Atorvastatin prescription is about to run out. Called my doc for a refill, telling the assistant that I have to get my annual physical for insurance reasons by the end of August, but I don't want to go into the bloodwork with a lapse in the meds. I told them that with the pandemic, I would like to hold off the visits (bloodwork and doc visit) for another couple of months. They said no. I blasted the assistant. I said, "Oh great, I have the one doctor in America that doesn't overmedicate their patients." :ohno: :ohno:
:lol: That's actually my case as well. He's doing it for my statin RX, but I had my bloodwork done in maybe November or December... everything fine. Bloodwork should be all that matters for statins.
I need a physical and bloodwork. My atorvastatin ran out a while ago but I haven't picked a new doctor yet? If I die, will I count as a COVID-19 death or as a result of the preventative measures?
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:51 am
89Hen wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:18 am

:lol: That's actually my case as well. He's doing it for my statin RX, but I had my bloodwork done in maybe November or December... everything fine. Bloodwork should be all that matters for statins.
I need a physical and bloodwork. My atorvastatin ran out a while ago but I haven't picked a new doctor yet? If I die, will I count as a COVID-19 death or as a result of the preventative measures?
Without a doubt you'll count as a COVID death.
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Ibanez wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:43 am
BDKJMU wrote: Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:10 pm
NIce JSO response in length, with full TDS to boot. :lol: 2/3 of veterans voted for Trump.
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/1 ... /21603486/
I doubt they thought he was mocking all POWs.
You say TDS like having an contrary opinion is a bad thing, snowflake. I'm going to start tagging each of your posts with DDS (Democrat Derangement Syndrome)


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I had the pleasure of hearing Charlie Plumb speak earlier this year. Plumb was shot down over Vietnam before McCain and they were imprisoned together. McCain refused special treatment. Plumb talked about how the prisoners developed a communication system leaving pieces of toilet paper in the latrine. Each prisoner had their own "mailbox." One day while being escorted to the latrine a piece of toilet paper dropped from where a prisoner was hiding it. If the guard saw it the jig was going to be up and the prisoners would lose their one form of private communication which was huge for morale. McCain sees what is about to happen and throws an absolute fit to draw the guards' attention. The prisoner was able to retrieve the tp and take it to the latrine without notice. McCain gets the crap beat out him. Would Bone Spurs have done the same thing for his fellow prisoners?

McCain was a lot of things, some good, some bad but a coward wasn't one of them.

Plumb's presentation was called Who Packed Your Parachute and it was excellent for anyone looking for a presentation on leadership and volunteering.
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:24 am
Ibanez wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:43 am
You say TDS like having an contrary opinion is a bad thing, snowflake. I'm going to start tagging each of your posts with DDS (Democrat Derangement Syndrome)

And nice dodge, BDKKK. I knew you wouldn't step up the plate. :ohno:
I didn't dodge squat. :roll:
You couldn't discredit the substance of Ibanez' post so you attack it's length? Sounds like a dodge to me.

And yes, veterans overwhelmingly voted for Trump. I would guess that veterans overwhelmingly vote for the Republican candidate. I would also guess that most of them disagreed with the things he said about McCain so they held their nose while they voted for him for other reasons.
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:24 am
Ibanez wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:43 am

You say TDS like having an contrary opinion is a bad thing, snowflake. I'm going to start tagging each of your posts with DDS (Democrat Derangement Syndrome)


And nice dodge, BDKKK. I knew you wouldn't step up the plate. :ohno:
I didn't dodge squat. :roll:
Of course you did. You ignored the premise, ignored my question and used a common personal attack (JSO, TDS).
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:51 am
89Hen wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:18 am

:lol: That's actually my case as well. He's doing it for my statin RX, but I had my bloodwork done in maybe November or December... everything fine. Bloodwork should be all that matters for statins.
I need a physical and bloodwork. My atorvastatin ran out a while ago but I haven't picked a new doctor yet? If I die, will I count as a COVID-19 death or as a result of the preventative measures?
Dude, you can't fuck around with that. My layman understanding is that allowing your statin to lapse is worse than never taking it.
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89Hen wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:47 am
UNI88 wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:51 am

I need a physical and bloodwork. My atorvastatin ran out a while ago but I haven't picked a new doctor yet? If I die, will I count as a COVID-19 death or as a result of the preventative measures?
Dude, you can't fuck around with that. My layman understanding is that allowing your statin to lapse is worse than never taking it.
I've been ordering thru the mail, automatic shipping, 3 months at a time. I've got over 7 months worth stored up, and still under the expiration date.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:47 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:40 am

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Yeah, THAT'S it.
Still way over the average CDC recorded number of flu deaths of 3000-15,000 deaths per season, by quite a bit.
CDC estimates that from 2010-2011 to 2017-2018, influenza-associated deaths in the United States ranged from a low of 12,000 (during 2011-2012) to a high of 79,000 (during 2017-2018).
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/fl ... 8-2019.htm

Last 2 flu seasons were 79k (2017-2018) and 61k (2018-2019).
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:40 am
BDKJMU wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:24 am
I didn't dodge squat. :roll:
You couldn't discredit the substance of Ibanez' post so you attack it's length? Sounds like a dodge to me.

And yes, veterans overwhelmingly voted for Trump. I would guess that veterans overwhelmingly vote for the Republican candidate. I would also guess that most of them disagreed with the things he said about McCain so they held their nose while they voted for him for other reasons.
Yes, I would guess most of them disagreed with what he said about McCain. And I would guess most of them realized he was referring to McCain only, not all POWs, and took into account that Trump and McCain hated each other.
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:12 am
UNI88 wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:40 am
You couldn't discredit the substance of Ibanez' post so you attack it's length? Sounds like a dodge to me.

And yes, veterans overwhelmingly voted for Trump. I would guess that veterans overwhelmingly vote for the Republican candidate. I would also guess that most of them disagreed with the things he said about McCain so they held their nose while they voted for him for other reasons.
Yes, I would guess most of them disagreed with what he said about McCain. And I would guess most of them realized he was referring to McCain only, not all POWs, and took into account that Trump and McCain hated each other.
Rationalize all you want but "I like people who weren’t captured" is slamming all POWs.

BDK contorting himself in his defenses of Trump ...

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Country of over 329 million, 57,505 Chinese Virus deaths according to the official CDC scoreboard.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... in-us.html
That's .00017% of the population.

More than 30 million jobs now lost according to the BLS. That's over 520 jobs lost for every Chinese Virus death. Let that sink in for a minute.
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:23 am
BDKJMU wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:12 am
Yes, I would guess most of them disagreed with what he said about McCain. And I would guess most of them realized he was referring to McCain only, not all POWs, and took into account that Trump and McCain hated each other.
Rationalize all you want but "I like people who weren’t captured" is slamming all POWs.

BDK contorting himself in his defenses of Trump ..
Well it would seem the majority of vets who voted for Trump didn't agree with your assessment.
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:08 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:47 am

Still way over the average CDC recorded number of flu deaths of 3000-15,000 deaths per season, by quite a bit.
Da fuq. :suspicious:
CDC estimates that from 2010-2011 to 2017-2018, influenza-associated deaths in the United States ranged from a low of 12,000 (during 2011-2012) to a high of 79,000 (during 2017-2018).
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/fl ... 8-2019.htm

Last 2 flu seasons were 79k (2017-2018) and 61k (2018-2019).
Depends how flu deaths are counted.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/ob ... o-oranges/

Regardless, calling it the flu is just plain useless. It’s not.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:47 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:40 am

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Yeah, THAT'S it.
Still way over the average CDC recorded number of flu deaths of 3000-15,000 deaths per season, by quite a bit.
And your point? The unnecessary and totally fabricated fear porn destroyed the global economy.
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:33 am
UNI88 wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:23 am
Rationalize all you want but "I like people who weren’t captured" is slamming all POWs.

BDK contorting himself in his defenses of Trump ..
Well it would seem the majority of vets who voted for Trump didn't agree with your assessment.
They couldn't have voted for him despite agreeing with my assessment? What part of "held their nose" do you not understand? There were a myriad of other reasons for veterans to support Trump despite what he said about McCain and POWs. The fact that they voted for him in no way shows they didn't agree with my assessment.

Next contortion please ...
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:08 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:47 am

Still way over the average CDC recorded number of flu deaths of 3000-15,000 deaths per season, by quite a bit.
CDC estimates that from 2010-2011 to 2017-2018, influenza-associated deaths in the United States ranged from a low of 12,000 (during 2011-2012) to a high of 79,000 (during 2017-2018).
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/fl ... 8-2019.htm

Last 2 flu seasons were 79k (2017-2018) and 61k (2018-2019).
Those are estimates from CDC models and algorithms, I said actual reported flu deaths.
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