Poll: Do You Support Re-Opening Most of America?

[kalm]

Pick your year. I personally think we’ve been living in a surreal dream most of my adult life.

I think that's a bit much. It's life.

Our kids definitely live a MUCH different life than we did growing up in the 70's, but IMO it's a mixed bag of good, bad, smart, overkill...

We didn't use car seats.
We didn't wear seatbelts.
We didn't wear helmets.
We didn't use sunscreen.
We were allowed to walk to school with no adults, long distances, even as elementary school kids.
We stayed outside all day and all evening during the summer until your dad whistled for you.
Our sports coaches yelled at us when we fucked up.
I got put over a teachers knee in third grade.

Things change.

I don’t disagree with any of that. But we’ve sacrificed many positive things for unsustainable convenience and I think we’re getting bitch slapped for it.

[CAA Flagship]

Pick your year. I personally think we’ve been living in a surreal dream most of my adult life.

I think that's a bit much. It's life.

Our kids definitely live a MUCH different life than we did growing up in the 70's, but IMO it's a mixed bag of good, bad, smart, overkill...

We didn't use car seats.
We didn't wear seatbelts.
We didn't wear helmets.
We didn't use sunscreen.
We were allowed to walk to school with no adults, long distances, even as elementary school kids.
We stayed outside all day and all evening during the summer until your dad whistled for you.
Our sports coaches yelled at us when we fucked up.
I got put over a teachers knee in third grade.

Things change.

Don't forget riding your bike in the cloud of mosquito spray.

Damn coaches treated a water break like the water was gold. Today we are way over hydrated.

[dbackjon]

Too early to reopen - the second wave will be worse.

Income has been affected in the household (temporarily, will soon resume), expenses are higher.

The reopen early states are going to be new hotspots.

You have all the idiots that think requiring masks is "infringing on their Freedum" or other idiotic statements the far-right is churning out.

[SDHornet]

Too early to reopen - the second wave will be worse.

Income has been affected in the household (temporarily, will soon resume), expenses are higher.

The reopen early states are going to be new hotspots.

You have all the idiots that think requiring masks is "infringing on their Freedum" or other idiotic statements the far-right is churning out.

It's arguable that some places should have never shut down to begin with. And we have no idea what the 2nd wave will look like (if there is one). That statement essentially falls into the "stay locked down until there is a vaccine" bucket.

[SDHornet]

Reopening when "it's safe" means staying locked down until we have a vaccine. No one is truly "safe" until we have it.

See, we have a completely different view of safe. IMO, Safe is if the death rate and case numbers is declining over a certain period of time, similar to what the government has set down for it's recommendations, as in a gradual reopening versus a no-limit, wild west, open the barn doors type.

Well this has boiled down to "saving lives". And technically, no life is "safe" until we have a vaccine. These lock downs keep getting extended a few weeks at a time. What exactly is changing, wrt to being "safe", over those few weeks until we have a vaccine?

[kalm]

See, we have a completely different view of safe. IMO, Safe is if the death rate and case numbers is declining over a certain period of time, similar to what the government has set down for it's recommendations, as in a gradual reopening versus a no-limit, wild west, open the barn doors type.

Well this has boiled down to "saving lives". And technically, no life is "safe" until we have a vaccine. These lock downs keep getting extended a few weeks at a time. What exactly is changing, wrt to being "safe", over those few weeks until we have a vaccine?

For smart states who don’t want to eat grandma or recognize the potential greater economic threat of opening too early its going to be 3-4 months of slow steps. What speeds that up is the Petrie dishes like Sweden and Georgia not seeing a spike and/or curative pharma plus track and trace programs.

[89Hen]

expenses are higher.

Insurance?

[SDHornet]

Well this has boiled down to "saving lives". And technically, no life is "safe" until we have a vaccine. These lock downs keep getting extended a few weeks at a time. What exactly is changing, wrt to being "safe", over those few weeks until we have a vaccine?

For smart states who don’t want to eat grandma or recognize the potential greater economic threat of opening too early its going to be 3-4 months of slow steps. What speeds that up is the Petrie dishes like Sweden and Georgia not seeing a spike and/or curative pharma plus track and trace programs.

[kalm]

For smart states who don’t want to eat grandma or recognize the potential greater economic threat of opening too early its going to be 3-4 months of slow steps. What speeds that up is the Petrie dishes like Sweden and Georgia not seeing a spike and/or curative pharma plus track and trace programs.

That was intentional Biff

[SDHornet]

That was intentional Biff

That's why I

the is because I knew it would trigger you.

[AZGrizFan]

Reopening when "it's safe" means staying locked down until we have a vaccine. No one is truly "safe" until we have it.

See, we have a completely different view of safe. IMO, Safe is if the death rate and case numbers is declining over a certain period of time, similar to what the government has set down for it's recommendations, as in a gradual reopening versus a no-limit, wild west, open the barn doors type.

Would you feel "safe" if the death rate was .02%?

[AZGrizFan]

Too early to reopen - the second wave will be worse.

Income has been affected in the household (temporarily, will soon resume), expenses are higher.

The reopen early states are going to be new hotspots.

You have all the idiots that think requiring masks is "infringing on their Freedum" or other idiotic statements the far-right is churning out.

How are expense higher? I have more disposable income than I've EVER had. Not eating out, not making frivolous trips to Target or Lowes or Home Depot or any of a number of other retail outlets....combine that with the fact that almost every lender has given a 90 day deferral of payments (if you choose to take advantage of that) and if your income hasn't been disrupted you should be swimming in cash right now.

[kalm]

That was intentional Biff

That's why I

the is because I knew it would trigger you.

Bastard!

You didn’t even bite on the lack of a comma after “intentional”....

[UNI88]

Well this has boiled down to "saving lives". And technically, no life is "safe" until we have a vaccine. These lock downs keep getting extended a few weeks at a time. What exactly is changing, wrt to being "safe", over those few weeks until we have a vaccine?

For smart states who don’t want to eat grandma or recognize the potential greater economic threat of opening too early its going to be 3-4 months of slow steps. What speeds that up is the Petrie dishes like Sweden and Georgia not seeing a spike and/or curative pharma plus track and trace programs.

Are these the same smart states that want to drive Aunt Matilda into destitution because she gets all of her income from her rental properties, cousin Eddie who lost his job into alcoholism and eventual suicide, and burden little baby Lulu with debt in order to throw money at companies and people?

Anyone with a functioning brain stem understands that the "you're killing people" argument cuts both ways.

[kalm]

For smart states who don’t want to eat grandma or recognize the potential greater economic threat of opening too early its going to be 3-4 months of slow steps. What speeds that up is the Petrie dishes like Sweden and Georgia not seeing a spike and/or curative pharma plus track and trace programs.

Are these the same smart states that want to drive Aunt Matilda into destitution because she gets all of her income from her rental properties, cousin Eddie who lost his job into alcoholism and eventual suicide, and burden little baby Lulu with debt in order to throw money at companies and people?

Anyone with a functioning brain stem understands that the "you're killing people" argument cuts both ways.

Of course it does...and your economic fear porn is not all that different. At least with economics we know the curative measures and vaccines....if we choose them.

Notice how very few had these economic fears a year ago when most Americans were still just $500 away from economic catastrophe?

[Chizzang]

the true test will be - when will you be willing to walk into a movie theater

Everything is visibly dirty
the staff isn't paid enough to give a sh!t
nothing's been wiped down for hours

Who's going to pay to go to a theater next month..?

[AZGrizFan]

the true test will be - when will you be willing to walk into a movie theater

Everything is visibly dirty
the staff isn't paid enough to give a sh!t
nothing's been wiped down for hours

Who's going to pay to go to a theater next month..?

I'd go to a theatre. No worries. And I can't wait to go on my next cruise.

[AZGrizFan]

Are these the same smart states that want to drive Aunt Matilda into destitution because she gets all of her income from her rental properties, cousin Eddie who lost his job into alcoholism and eventual suicide, and burden little baby Lulu with debt in order to throw money at companies and people?

Anyone with a functioning brain stem understands that the "you're killing people" argument cuts both ways.

Of course it does...and your economic fear porn is not all that different. At least with economics we know the curative measures and vaccines....if we choose them.

Notice how very few had these economic fears a year ago when most Americans were still just $500 away from economic catastrophe?

See, it's not the ACTUAL economy I'm worried about. Yes, the economy will eventually come back. It's the people BEHIND that economy. The lives that are destroyed. The lives that are lost. The things desperate people do when their livelihood is stripped away suddenly and permanently like that.

Do you get the difference? Or is it too nuanced?

[kalm]

Of course it does...and your economic fear porn is not all that different. At least with economics we know the curative measures and vaccines....if we choose them.

Notice how very few had these economic fears a year ago when most Americans were still just $500 away from economic catastrophe?

See, it's not the ACTUAL economy I'm worried about. Yes, the economy will eventually come back. It's the people BEHIND that economy. The lives that are destroyed. The lives that are lost. The things desperate people do when their livelihood is stripped away suddenly and permanently like that.

Do you get the difference? Or is it too nuanced?

So you’re suddenly now worried about the people driven majority of the economy?

Ok.

[AZGrizFan]

See, it's not the ACTUAL economy I'm worried about. Yes, the economy will eventually come back. It's the people BEHIND that economy. The lives that are destroyed. The lives that are lost. The things desperate people do when their livelihood is stripped away suddenly and permanently like that.

Do you get the difference? Or is it too nuanced?

So you’re suddenly now worried about the people driven majority of the economy?

Ok.

Oh FFS, I've been saying that since the beginning. The people ARE the economy. Maybe it really IS too nuanced for you.

[Chizzang]

So you’re suddenly now worried about the people driven majority of the economy?

Ok.

Oh FFS, I've been saying that since the beginning. The people ARE the economy. Maybe it really IS too nuanced for you.

I think what's confusing you AZ... is that he doesn't believe you actually believe that

not that he doesn't "get it"

[AZGrizFan]

Oh FFS, I've been saying that since the beginning. The people ARE the economy. Maybe it really IS too nuanced for you.

I think what's confusing you AZ... is that he doesn't believe you actually believe that

not that he doesn't "get it"

you sure about that? Because I have been saying it since the beginning of this thing. Been pretty effing clear....

[Chizzang]

I think what's confusing you AZ... is that he doesn't believe you actually believe that

not that he doesn't "get it"

you sure about that? Because I have been saying it since the beginning of this thing. Been pretty effing clear....

Let me give you an example as to why he might not believe you..
You said that we should all just ignore Trump's words and judge him by his actions
while you spent the previous 8 years judging Obama by his words

Just as "an example" of why somebody might find you "suspicious" regarding what you believe

[AZGrizFan]

you sure about that? Because I have been saying it since the beginning of this thing. Been pretty effing clear....

Let me give you an example as to why he might not believe you..
You said that we should all just ignore Trump's words and judge him by his actions
while you spent the previous 8 years judging Obama by his words

Just as "an example" of why somebody might find you "suspicious" regarding what you believe

No, I've judged Obama by his words and his actions. He failed in both respects.

And I'm not Trump. I can't lie with that kind of ease. Or even have a fake persona with that kind of ease.

[UNI88]

Are these the same smart states that want to drive Aunt Matilda into destitution because she gets all of her income from her rental properties, cousin Eddie who lost his job into alcoholism and eventual suicide, and burden little baby Lulu with debt in order to throw money at companies and people?

Anyone with a functioning brain stem understands that the "you're killing people" argument cuts both ways.

Of course it does...and your economic fear porn is not all that different. At least with economics we know the curative measures and vaccines....if we choose them.

Notice how very few had these economic fears a year ago when most Americans were still just $500 away from economic catastrophe?

My economic fear porn? I've been calling for balancing the medical impacts with the sociological, psychological and economic impacts almost from the beginning. How is it fear porn if I'm calling for balancing the many impacts? Fear porn is using tales economic doom or killing grandma to argue for prioritizing one impact at the expense of others.

What are the curative measures and vaccines for the economic impacts? We have things that have helped in the short-term but can we keep doing them for longer? At what cost? I have and will continue to argue that we can't keep throwing money at this problem. Government revenues are dropping and will continue to drop as long as people are out of work. IMO, continuing to print money to throw at people and companies is going to have some very serious long-term ramifications.

Americans refusal to save is a problem that was well known but has been further exposed by COVID-19.