Annual Flu Shot

[89Hen]

Gil posted a figure which I assume is true that 37% of folks do not get a flu shot every year. I was curious what our numbers here are.

[dbackjon]

Always

[Winterborn]

No. Never received it in the past and probably never will in the future.

[AZGrizFan]

Nope. For 25 years the Navy decided what chemicals were going into my body. The day I retired was the last time I ever got a flu shot. That was 2008.

[89Hen]

I never have. Never had the flu.

[Gil Dobie]

Gil posted a figure which I assume is true that 37% of folks do not get a flu shot every year. I was curious what our numbers here are.

37% getting the flu shot

[Gil Dobie]

Always

Guess we are the only 2 that believe in modern medicine.

If I got a snake bit, I would hope to get the anti-venom.

[89Hen]

Gil posted a figure which I assume is true that 37% of folks do not get a flu shot every year. I was curious what our numbers here are.

37% getting the flu shot

That makes more sense. I read too quickly.

[89Hen]

Always

Guess we are the only 2 that believe in modern medicine.

If I got a snake bit, I would hope to get the anti-venom.

I don't think you understand how these work.

[Gil Dobie]

Guess we are the only 2 that believe in modern medicine.

If I got a snake bit, I would hope to get the anti-venom.

I don't think you understand how these work.

One's a treatment and one's a preventative vaccine.

[89Hen]

I don't think you understand how these work.

One's a treatment and one's a preventative vaccine.

Correct. So are you assuming folks who wouldn't get the flu vaccine wouldn't use anti venom?

[∞∞∞]

Every year.

[BDKJMU]

Should have gave a ‘sometimes’ option. I put no since I’d never gotten it until about 5-6 years ago, but have about 3-4x since, after getting sick of my mom, sister, or gf getting on me about getting it..

[Gil Dobie]

One's a treatment and one's a preventative vaccine.

Correct. So are you assuming folks who wouldn't get the flu vaccine wouldn't use anti venom?

No, I am saying I am using modern medicine for both. I have had the shingles vaccine shot too, because I saw the pain my Great Aunt went thru with shingles. Actually 3 shingles shots. One of the old version, and the new 2 shot cycle.

[Winterborn]

Always

Guess we are the only 2 that believe in modern medicine.

If I got a snake bit, I would hope to get the anti-venom.

Apples and oranges comparison Gil.

I don't get the flu shot because I don't believe in modern medicine. I don't get it because I don't need it.

In the last 20 years I have missed 2 days of work (one day each) due to being sick (and it was more exhaustion from running myself ragged than anything). If I was in a higher risk group, I would reevaluate my choice, but I am not, nor does my job require it.

If you want to extrapolate, for the COVID-19 vaccine (if one actually does come out) I may or may not get. All depends on the type of vaccine and a few other conditions. I am a firm believer in science and what science can do for us, but I also don't think just because science says we should do something that I blindly follow what they say (after all leaches were the peak of scientific medicine at one time ). I do my research (and it is accredited, talk to my doctor and other health professional friends) and make a decision from there.

[Gil Dobie]

Guess we are the only 2 that believe in modern medicine.

If I got a snake bit, I would hope to get the anti-venom.

Apples and oranges comparison Gil.

I don't get the flu shot because I don't believe in modern medicine. I don't get it because I don't need it.

In the last 20 years I have missed 2 days of work (one day each) due to being sick (and it was more exhaustion from running myself ragged than anything). If I was in a higher risk group, I would reevaluate my choice, but I am not, nor does my job require it.

If you want to extrapolate, for the COVID-19 vaccine (if one actually does come out) I may or may not get. All depends on the type of vaccine and a few other conditions. I am a firm believer in science and what science can do for us, but I also don't think just because science says we should do something that I blindly follow what they say (after all leaches were the peak of scientific medicine at one time ). I do my research (and it is accredited, talk to my doctor and other health professional friends) and make a decision from there.

See above ^

[∞∞∞]

Besides helping you, vaccines do help those who can't get the shots (herd immunity).

Not as much with the flu vaccine, but certainly with all the others.

The more skeptical we are with modern medicine, the more vulnerable our most vulnerable become.

[Winterborn]

Apples and oranges comparison Gil.

I don't get the flu shot because I don't believe in modern medicine. I don't get it because I don't need it.

In the last 20 years I have missed 2 days of work (one day each) due to being sick (and it was more exhaustion from running myself ragged than anything). If I was in a higher risk group, I would reevaluate my choice, but I am not, nor does my job require it.

If you want to extrapolate, for the COVID-19 vaccine (if one actually does come out) I may or may not get. All depends on the type of vaccine and a few other conditions. I am a firm believer in science and what science can do for us, but I also don't think just because science says we should do something that I blindly follow what they say (after all leaches were the peak of scientific medicine at one time ). I do my research (and it is accredited, talk to my doctor and other health professional friends) and make a decision from there.

See above ^

1. I type real slow to try and formulate my thoughts/answers.

2. My point still stands. I weigh the risks/benefits and make the choice from there.

[Winterborn]

Besides helping you, vaccines do help those who can't get the shots (herd immunity).

Not as much with the flu vaccine, but certainly with all the others.

The more skeptical we are with modern medicine, the more vulnerable our most vulnerable become.

On some illnesses I fully agree. (Example of polio vs the common flu).

[Gil Dobie]

See above ^

1. I type real slow to try and formulate my thoughts/answers.

2. My point still stands. I weigh the risks/benefits and make the choice from there.

I understand that, just trying to get across where I was coming from. Modern medicine instead of vaccine vs treatment. Shingles is another vaccine that is recommended. But you have to be a certain age to get the shot.

[Gil Dobie]

Right now, after 10 votes, it's at 40%, right on par.

[Chizzang]

people that are adults and have never experienced flu symptoms should NOT get a flu shot...
People that "get the flu" should get a flu shot

a percentage of humans are not susceptible to the influenza virus frequently are told to get flu shots because they might have the flu and not experience symptoms but this is basically bullish!t because they've experimented on those adults
and heavy dose infected them with the flu and they got the fucvking flu

so what that tells us is that their immune systems are difficult to hack
the flu virus hijacks the protein manufacturing machinery of the cell to generate its own viral proteins and create more viral particles

if you subvert their immune system they get the flu
however left to contract the flu organically their immune system works fine

[Winterborn]

1. I type real slow to try and formulate my thoughts/answers.

2. My point still stands. I weigh the risks/benefits and make the choice from there.

I understand that, just trying to get across where I was coming from. Modern medicine instead of vaccine vs treatment. Shingles is another vaccine that is recommended. But you have to be a certain age to get the shot.

I guess this still has me confused. I see both a vaccine and treatment of modern diseases as the realm of "modern medicine".

A anti-venom shot for most snake bites is a necessity otherwise you will die.

A vaccine for some diseases is the same way (get vaccinated or you have a very high potential of dying), others not so much outside of certain high risk groups (aka the common flu).

All the above is "modern medicine" to me but if I chose to not to get the flu shot, it doesn't mean I distrust modern medicine, it just means for some very low risk situations (not a poisonous snake bite) I chose to forgo a potential vaccine for that years strain of flu (to use that analogy).

[Winterborn]

people that are adults and have never experienced flu symptoms should NOT get a flu shot...
People that "get the flu" should get a flu shot

a percentage of humans are not susceptible to the influenza virus frequently are told to get flu shots because they might have the flu and not experience symptoms but this is basically bullish!t because they've experimented on those adults
and heavy dose infected them with the flu and they got the fucvking flu

so what that tells us is that their immune systems are difficult to hack
the flu virus hijacks the protein manufacturing machinery of the cell to generate its own viral proteins and create more viral particles

if you subvert their immune system they get the flu
however left to contract the flu organically their immune system works fine

I blame my ancestors.

[Gil Dobie]

I understand that, just trying to get across where I was coming from. Modern medicine instead of vaccine vs treatment. Shingles is another vaccine that is recommended. But you have to be a certain age to get the shot.

I guess this still has me confused. I see both a vaccine and treatment of modern diseases as the realm of "modern medicine".

A anti-venom shot for most snake bites is a necessity otherwise you will die.

A vaccine for some diseases is the same way (get vaccinated or you have a very high potential of dying), others not so much outside of certain high risk groups (aka the common flu).

All the above is "modern medicine" to me but if I chose to not to get the flu shot, it doesn't mean I distrust modern medicine, it just means for some very low risk situations (not a poisonous snake bite) I chose to forgo a potential vaccine for that years strain of flu (to use that analogy).

That's another can of worms. All poisonous snake bits don't kill. They make you very sick, or kill if you have existing conditions, are real young or real old. I just wanted to leave it at examples of modern medicine period. And I don't disagree with what you are saying.