Coronavirus COVID-19

[Ivytalk]

Man is this ever true in Eastern Washington. The victimhood and fear projection is off the charts. “I’m a badass American individualist and I don’t need protection, or forced shut downs, or anybody...well except customers...I still need them, and for the virus to go away...all on its own.

The conservative victimhood complex has made America impossible to govern

Ryan Cooper



But Trump's appalling failure is only the most visible part of a vast ocean of right-wing dysfunction. For conservative zealots and media figures, the pandemic is quickly becoming just another culture war battleground — an axis of postmodern symbolic conflict, another vent for bottomless grievance, and fuel for a screeching victimhood complex. The practical effect will be to fuel infection and hamstring economic recovery. It's a stark obstacle before fixing this or any other crisis.............


............It shouldn't be surprising that the reality of masks and other pandemic control measures is the precise opposite of the conservative agitprop line. Most masks and lockdown orders are primarily a way to protect others, not just yourself — which you would think would be exactly in line with purported conservative values of traditional masculinity. But facts have never stood in the way of the conservative persecution complex. Nothing gets their blood flowing like playing martyr before imaginary liberal tyranny. Casting oneself as Anne Frank for having to wear a two-dollar cloth mask at Walmart during the worst pandemic in a century would be a stretch for most people in the world, but not American movement conservatives.

https://theweek.com/articles/914220/con ... ble-govern

Really nothing new here, klam. For every anti-conservative screed like this, there is an equal and opposite anti-progressive screed. We’ve become a nation of memes. I give this country 25 more years tops.

[kalm]

Man is this ever true in Eastern Washington. The victimhood and fear projection is off the charts. “I’m a badass American individualist and I don’t need protection, or forced shut downs, or anybody...well except customers...I still need them, and for the virus to go away...all on its own.





https://theweek.com/articles/914220/con ... ble-govern

Really nothing new here, klam. For every anti-conservative screed like this, there is an equal and opposite anti-progressive screed. We’ve become a nation of memes. I give this country 25 more years tops.

You may be right but it doesn’t have to be that way. We could have a bunch of the US re-opened and controllable for outbreaks by mid summer....IF WE CHOSE TO. The long term economic threat might be as great as mitigating strategies that allow it to linger. Not just from a shut down standpoint but a risk taking tolerance for consumers. I’d gladly give up to two more months and deficit spending towards crushing the enemy in exchange for a sure footed return to near normal. Would you?

But our plan also recognizes that rural towns in Montana should not necessarily have to shut down the way New York City has. To pull off this balancing act, the country should be divided into red, yellow and green zones. The goal is to be a green zone, where fewer than one resident per 36,000 is infected. Here, large gatherings are allowed, and masks aren’t required for those who don’t interact with the elderly or other vulnerable populations. Green zones require a minimum of one test per day for every 10,000 people and a five-person contact tracing team for every 100,000 people. (These are the levels currently maintained in South Korea, which has suppressed covid-19.) Two weeks ago, a modest 1,900 tests a day could have kept 19 million Americans safely in green zones. Today, there are no green zones in the United States.

Most Americans — about 298 million — live in yellow zones, where disease prevalence is between .002 percent and 1 percent. But even in yellow zones, the economy could safely reopen with aggressive testing and tracing, coupled with safety measures including mandatory masks. In South Korea, during the peak of its outbreak, it took 25 tests to detect one positive case, and the case fatality rate was 1 percent. Following this model, yellow zones would require 2,500 tests for every daily death. To contain spread, yellow zones also would ramp up contact tracing until a team is available for every new daily coronavirus case. After one tracer conducts an interview, the team would spend 12 hours identifying all those at risk. Speed matters, because the virus spreads quickly; three days is useless for tracing. (Maryland, Virginia and Washington, D.C., are all yellow zones.)

A disease prevalence greater than 1 percent defines red zones. Today, 30 million Americans live in such hot spots — which include Detroit, New Jersey, New Orleans and New York City. In addition to the yellow-zone interventions, these places require stay-at-home orders. But by strictly following guidelines for testing and tracing, red zones could turn yellow within four weeks, moving steadfastly from lockdown to liberty.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... e=facebook

[HI54UNI]

Man is this ever true in Eastern Washington. The victimhood and fear projection is off the charts. “I’m a badass American individualist and I don’t need protection, or forced shut downs, or anybody...well except customers...I still need them, and for the virus to go away...all on its own.

"fear projection" Which group is doing that?

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Man is this ever true in Eastern Washington. The victimhood and fear projection is off the charts. “I’m a badass American individualist and I don’t need protection, or forced shut downs, or anybody...well except customers...I still need them, and for the virus to go away...all on its own.


https://theweek.com/articles/914220/con ... ble-govern

Really nothing new here, klam. For every anti-conservative screed like this, there is an equal and opposite anti-progressive screed. We’ve become a nation of memes. I give this country 25 more years tops.

You really are a cup half full kinda guy

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[Ivytalk]

Really nothing new here, klam. For every anti-conservative screed like this, there is an equal and opposite anti-progressive screed. We’ve become a nation of memes. I give this country 25 more years tops.

You really are a cup half full kinda guy

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I’ll take that as a backhanded compliment, Alfie.

[AZGrizFan]

Man is this ever true in Eastern Washington. The victimhood and fear projection is off the charts. “I’m a badass American individualist and I don’t need protection, or forced shut downs, or anybody...well except customers...I still need them, and for the virus to go away...all on its own.

"fear projection" Which group is doing that?

No shit. The left is scared of their own shadow.

[kalm]

"fear projection" Which group is doing that?

No shit. The left is scared of their own shadow.

I would have thought it goes without saying that fear exists on the left. The projection part I’m referring to is directed at the tough guy facade and denial from “conservatives” as implied in the article.

Dealing with a real threat requires logic, reason, and science based strategy.



But yeah...both sides do it...if that makes you feel better.

[AZGrizFan]

No shit. The left is scared of their own shadow.

I would have thought it goes without saying that fear exists on the left. The projection part I’m referring to is directed at the tough guy facade and denial from “conservatives” as implied in the article.

Dealing with a real threat requires logic, reason, and science based strategy.



But yeah...both sides do it...if that makes you feel better.

If there were actually a real threat....

[kalm]

I would have thought it goes without saying that fear exists on the left. The projection part I’m referring to is directed at the tough guy facade and denial from “conservatives” as implied in the article.

Dealing with a real threat requires logic, reason, and science based strategy.



But yeah...both sides do it...if that makes you feel better.

If there were actually a real threat....

Like it or not...the threat has already changed the economy and our culture for the rest of our lifetimes. It’s now a matter of how long and how much you want that influence to further shape things.

[Skjellyfetti]

If there were actually a real threat....

[AZGrizFan]

If there were actually a real threat....

Like it or not...the threat has already changed the economy and our culture for the rest of our lifetimes. It’s now a matter of how long and how much you want that influence to further shape things.

Not remotely. WE changed our economy. Because collectively the country has become scared of its own shadow. This was completely avoidable. The thing you really should be worried about is what happens when the NEXT novel virus is released....we gonna do this shit every two years?

[AZGrizFan]

Yeah, this guy sounds legit. What a fucking tool. THIS sounds a lot like the UW model.

Neil Ferguson is the British academic who created the infamous Imperial College model that warned Boris Johnson that, without an immediate lockdown, the coronavirus would cause 500,000 deaths and swamp the National Health Service.

Johnson’s government promptly abandoned its Sweden-like “social distancing” approach, and Ferguson’s model also influenced the U.S. to make lockdown moves with its shocking prediction of over two million Americans dead.

Johan Giesecke, the former chief scientist for the European Center for Disease Control and Prevention, has called Ferguson’s model “the most influential scientific paper” in memory. He also says it was, sadly, “one of the most wrong.”

With all of his influence, it’s not surprising British media are making a great deal about Ferguson being forced to resign from the government’s virus advisory board yesterday after revelations he had violated lockdown rules he had championed in order to conduct an affair with a married woman. Ferguson admits he made an “error of judgement and took the wrong course of action.”

Ferguson’s hypocritical violation of his beloved lockdown was the least of his errors in judgment. His incompetence and insistence on doomsday models is far worse.

Elon Musk calls Ferguson an “utter tool” who does “absurdly fake science.” Jay Schnitzer, an expert in vascular biology and a former scientific direct of the Sidney Kimmel Cancer Center in San Diego, tells me: “I’m normally reluctant to say this about a scientist, but he dances on the edge of being a publicity-seeking charlatan.”

Indeed, Ferguson’s Imperial College model has been proven wildly inaccurate. To cite just one example, it saw Sweden paying a huge price for no lockdown, with 40,000 COVID deaths by May 1, and 100,000 by June. Sweden now has 2,854 deaths and peaked two weeks ago. As Fraser Nelson, editor of Britain’s Spectator, notes: “Imperial College’s model is wrong by an order of magnitude.”

Indeed, Ferguson has been wrong so often that some of his fellow modelers call him “The Master of Disaster.”

Ferguson was behind the disputed research that sparked the mass culling of eleven million sheep and cattle during the 2001 outbreak of foot-and-mouth disease. Charlotte Reid, a farmer’s neighbor, recalls: “I remember that appalling time. Sheep were left starving in fields near us. Then came the open air slaughter. The poor animals were panic stricken. It was one of the worst things I’ve witnessed. And all based on a model — if’s but’s and maybe’s.”


In 2002, Ferguson predicted that, by 2080, up to 150,000 people could die from exposure to BSE (mad cow disease) in beef. In the U.K., there were only 177 deaths from BSE.

In 2005, Ferguson predicted that up to 150 million people could be killed from bird flu. In the end, only 282 people died worldwide from the disease between 2003 and 2009.

In 2009, a government estimate, based on Ferguson’s advice, said a “reasonable worst-case scenario” was that the swine flu would lead to 65,000 British deaths. In the end, swine flu killed 457 people in the U.K.

Last March, Ferguson admitted that his Imperial College model of the COVID-19 disease was based on undocumented, 13-year-old computer code that was intended to be used for a feared influenza pandemic, rather than a coronavirus. Ferguson declined to release his original code so other scientists could check his results. He only released a heavily revised set of code last week, after a six-week delay.

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So the real scandal is: Why did anyone ever listen to this guy?

[Chizzang]

[89Hen]

The thing you really should be worried about is what happens when the NEXT novel virus is released....we gonna do this shit every two years?

Gotta agree. I fear next time there's even a whiff of a virus we're going to lock down immediately.

[Gil Dobie]

The thing you really should be worried about is what happens when the NEXT novel virus is released....we gonna do this shit every two years?

Gotta agree. I fear next time there's even a whiff of a virus we're going to lock down immediately.

I don't think so. The people that have existing conditions are now staying at home and social distancing, using mask etc. If everyone else gets COVID-19, the hospitals won't get impacted and the death count will continue to decrease. Everyone else will be okay and are not in danger. Just respect the people that are in danger if they get the virus.

[89Hen]

Gotta agree. I fear next time there's even a whiff of a virus we're going to lock down immediately.

I don't think so. The people that have existing conditions are now staying at home and social distancing, using mask etc. If everyone else gets COVID-19, the hospitals won't get impacted and the death count will continue to decrease. Everyone else will be okay and are not in danger. Just respect the people that are in danger if they get the virus.

Who are you and what have you done with Gil?

[kalm]

The thing you really should be worried about is what happens when the NEXT novel virus is released....we gonna do this shit every two years?

Gotta agree. I fear next time there's even a whiff of a virus we're going to lock down immediately.

“We are the United States of Amnesia, we learn nothing because we remember nothing.”

Gore Vidal

[Gil Dobie]

Gotta agree. I fear next time there's even a whiff of a virus we're going to lock down immediately.

“We are the United States of Amnesia, we learn nothing because we remember nothing.”

Gore Vidal

Didn't Gore Vidal do some drunken ads for Thunderbird wine

[89Hen]

Gotta agree. I fear next time there's even a whiff of a virus we're going to lock down immediately.

“We are the United States of Amnesia, we learn nothing because we remember nothing.”

Gore Vidal

Your point?

[kalm]

“We are the United States of Amnesia, we learn nothing because we remember nothing.”

Gore Vidal

Your point?

Just live day to day, man. It will be alright.

[CAA Flagship]

“We are the United States of Amnesia, we learn nothing because we remember nothing.”

Gore Vidal

Didn't Gore Vidal do some drunken ads for Thunderbird wine

No. He's the climate change guy and hairstylist.

[kalm]

Didn't Gore Vidal do some drunken ads for Thunderbird wine

No. He's the climate change guy and hairstylist.

Exactly!

[Gil Dobie]

No. He's the climate change guy and hairstylist.

Exactly!

You guys didn't see Robin Williams Reality What a Concept performance I guess.

[kalm]

108 million people back on lockdown in NE China again.

Some 108 million people in China’s northeast region are being plunged back under lockdown conditions as a new and growing cluster of infections causes a backslide in the nation’s return to normal.

In an abrupt reversal of the re-opening taking place across the nation, cities in Jilin province have cut off trains and buses, shut schools and quarantined tens of thousands of people. The strict measures have dismayed many residents who had thought the worst of the nation’s epidemic was over.


People “are feeling more cautious again,” said Fan Pai, who works at a trading company in Shenyang, a city in nearby Liaoning province that’s also facing renewed restrictions. “Children playing outside are wearing masks again” and health care workers are walking around in protective gear, she said. “It’s frustrating because you don’t know when it will end.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... e=facebook

[89Hen]

Your point?

Just live day to day, man. It will be alright.

YOLO or something