Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

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Yup, all the suffragettes and Civil Rights activists who engaged in violence and property damage were terrorists.

Frederick Douglass was a Marxist:
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.

Never said "all". Reading is fundamental.

But at least you didn't bastardize a MLK Jr quote so I guess you get points for effort on the response.

Cool. Does this really sound better to you?

Not all the suffragettes and Civil Rights activists who engaged in violence and property damage were terrorists.

[CID1990]

Over 60 Secret Service agents sustained injuries from "civil rights protestors"...60+



"peaceful protestors"

Not my problem they woke up that morning and decided to defend a racist and fascist because they want money.

Blindly following orders isn't a good way to go through life.

The Secret Service deserves as much scrutiny as other law enforcement agencies, and needs to be reformed as well.

This is really a breathtakingly ignorant response even for you, Treep

[UNI88]

That's the beauty (and point) of democracy...each generation decides what's important and how it wants to run things. The past shouldn't beholden us to the realities of the present. Some good news from Virginia, the former heart of the defunct confederation:

Richmond is removing the 130 year old statue of Robert E. Lee:



In Alexandria, the Daughters of the Confederacy just removed its 131 year old memorial:



And Roanoke is about to remove its memorial too: https://www.roanoke.com/news/local/coun ... 39f06.html

That’s not democracy. It’s a mob of SJW Karens in action. And it’s a fucking disgrace. The cowtowing to social pressure just shows how weak we’ve become as a country.

AZ, just take comfort in knowing that sometime in the next 100 years scientists will discover that fetuses have conscious thought and feel pain during an abortion and abortion rights activists will be pariahs. Like slave owners of yesterday, they will be stricken from the public record because judging people from history based on contemporary moral standards is always a good idea.

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AZ, just take comfort in knowing that sometime in the next 100 years scientists will discover that fetuses have conscious thought and feel pain during an abortion and abortion rights activists will be pariahs. Like slave owners of yesterday, they will be stricken from the public record because judging people from history based on contemporary moral standards is always a good idea.

Hell yeah, it means freedom is still dancing and society is carving its own path.

100% agree there are things I believe today that will be taboo in 100 years. If not abortion, something else.

I don't think the Confederates were necessarily bad. History is messy, morality never absolute, and people a product of their time.

However, this isn't their time.

[SeattleGriz]

That's the beauty (and point) of democracy...each generation decides what's important and how it wants to run things. The past shouldn't beholden us to the realities of the present. Some good news from Virginia, the former heart of the defunct confederation:

Richmond is removing the 130 year old statue of Robert E. Lee:



In Alexandria, the Daughters of the Confederacy just removed its 131 year old memorial:



And Roanoke is about to remove its memorial too: https://www.roanoke.com/news/local/coun ... 39f06.html

That’s not democracy. It’s a mob of SJW Karens in action. And it’s a fucking disgrace. The cowtowing to social pressure just shows how weak we’ve become as a country.

*kowtowing

[∞∞∞]

Not my problem they woke up that morning and decided to defend a racist and fascist because they want money.

Blindly following orders isn't a good way to go through life.

The Secret Service deserves as much scrutiny as other law enforcement agencies, and needs to be reformed as well.

This is really a breathtakingly ignorant response even for you, Treep

Have you ever sat down and spoken to SS agents? One of my best friends dated one for years (edit: a year) and he and his friends were some of the saddest motherf*ckers I've ever met. Weak-willed, got angry if you disagreed with them about anything (he himself would walk out conversations fuming like a child), physically unimposing, and they often lacked critical thinking skills. If I remember correctly, some didn't even have college degrees or any prior enforcement experience (whether police, military, etc).

We were playing monopoly once and one flipped the board over when I bankrupted him. That dude actually quit the SS and ended up trying for the military at some point...wonder whatever happened to him.

Oh yeah, and her boyfriend would constantly cry. In fact, having to guide him through the dumb sh*t he cried over was one of the main factors they broke up 'cause it made her uncomfortable and she wanted a "real man" (her words, not mine).

How people like that end up protecting politicians blows my mind. All anecdotal for sure, but it wasn't a great impression.

[SDHornet]

Never said "all". Reading is fundamental.

But at least you didn't bastardize a MLK Jr quote so I guess you get points for effort on the response.

Cool. Does this really sound better to you?

Not all the suffragettes and Civil Rights activists who engaged in violence and property damage were terrorists.

No it's more accurate, and yes, those that engage and encourage mob violence are terrorists.

[Skjellyfetti]

So far the only terrorists picked up have been right wing boogaloos.

[SDHornet]

So far the only terrorists picked up have been right wing boogaloos.

Sure.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Not my problem they woke up that morning and decided to defend a racist and fascist because they want money.

Blindly following orders isn't a good way to go through life.

The Secret Service deserves as much scrutiny as other law enforcement agencies, and needs to be reformed as well.

This is really a breathtakingly ignorant response even for you, Treep

It's not even in his top 25 dumbest.

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[ALPHAGRIZ1]

This is really a breathtakingly ignorant response even for you, Treep

Have you ever sat down and spoken to SS agents? One of my best friends dated one for years (edit: a year) and he and his friends were some of the saddest motherf*ckers I've ever met. Weak-willed, got angry if you disagreed with them about anything (he himself would walk out conversations fuming like a child), physically unimposing, and they often lacked critical thinking skills. If I remember correctly, some didn't even have college degrees or any prior enforcement experience (whether police, military, etc).

We were playing monopoly once and one flipped the board over when I bankrupted him. That dude actually quit the SS and ended up trying for the military at some point...wonder whatever happened to him.

Oh yeah, and her boyfriend would constantly cry. In fact, having to guide him through the dumb sh*t he cried over was one of the main factors they broke up 'cause it made her uncomfortable and she wanted a "real man" (her words, not mine).

How people like that end up protecting politicians blows my mind. All anecdotal for sure, but it wasn't a great impression.

There's a reason politicians want people like that protecting them.

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There's a reason politicians want people like that protecting them.

Truth.

Not to make this a dick-measuring contest, but in a one-on-one fight between people on this site and the SS boys, I'd have no problem wagering that 80% of the users here could easily take them down without breaking a sweat.

Go walk around DC and actually look at them; they're only imposing because of the military gear.

[CID1990]

This is really a breathtakingly ignorant response even for you, Treep

Have you ever sat down and spoken to SS agents? One of my best friends dated one for years (edit: a year) and he and his friends were some of the saddest motherf*ckers I've ever met. Weak-willed, got angry if you disagreed with them about anything (he himself would walk out conversations fuming like a child), physically unimposing, and they often lacked critical thinking skills. If I remember correctly, some didn't even have college degrees or any prior enforcement experience (whether police, military, etc).

We were playing monopoly once and one flipped the board over when I bankrupted him. That dude actually quit the SS and ended up trying for the military at some point...wonder whatever happened to him.

Oh yeah, and her boyfriend would constantly cry. In fact, having to guide him through the dumb sh*t he cried over was one of the main factors they broke up 'cause it made her uncomfortable and she wanted a "real man" (her words, not mine).

How people like that end up protecting politicians blows my mind. All anecdotal for sure, but it wasn't a great impression.

Yes, Treep

I’ve trained about 15-20 of them who went on to the Secret Service.

I serve at embassies where there are Treasury attaches (Secret Service)

My classmate, fellow Band member and good friend was one of two White House shift supervisors under both Bush and Obama.

Another Citadel grad and friend from Band Co (a year ahead of me) is also still in and was on the Bush detail.

I also know one former CPD officer who went to the Secret Service and then left under circumstances that suggest he used the same interpersonal skills that he had previously displayed at CPD.

So no, Treep, I don’t have your unique insight of having a friend who dated a Secret Service agent, but I also don’t possess your ability to make professional judgments about entire groups of people based on my personal dislike of one of them. That would make me a klukker or a progressive


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[∞∞∞]

Good stuff. Hope they all get a nice dose of the reckoning police forces and federal law enforcement agencies are about to face.

The military and military industrial complex won't be far behind either.

[BDKJMU]

Good stuff. Hope they all get a nice dose of the reckoning police forces and federal law enforcement agencies are about to face.

The military and military industrial complex won't be far behind either.

And what might that reckoning be from the angry liburls?

[Skjellyfetti]

So far the only terrorists picked up have been right wing boogaloos.

Sure.

Three Nevada men with ties to the anti-government “boogaloo” movement, a loose group of right-wing extremists advocating the overthrow of the U.S. government, have been arrested on terrorism-related charges in what authorities say was a conspiracy to spark violence during recent protests in Las Vegas.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 147563001/

Whachoo got?

[Baldy]

This is really a breathtakingly ignorant response even for you, Treep

Have you ever sat down and spoken to SS agents? One of my best friends dated one for years (edit: a year) and he and his friends were some of the saddest motherf*ckers I've ever met. Weak-willed, got angry if you disagreed with them about anything (he himself would walk out conversations fuming like a child), physically unimposing, and they often lacked critical thinking skills. If I remember correctly, some didn't even have college degrees or any prior enforcement experience (whether police, military, etc).

We were playing monopoly once and one flipped the board over when I bankrupted him. That dude actually quit the SS and ended up trying for the military at some point...wonder whatever happened to him.

Oh yeah, and her boyfriend would constantly cry. In fact, having to guide him through the dumb sh*t he cried over was one of the main factors they broke up 'cause it made her uncomfortable and she wanted a "real man" (her words, not mine).

How people like that end up protecting politicians blows my mind. All anecdotal for sure, but it wasn't a great impression.

Who knew the Secret Service hired soy boys?

[∞∞∞]

Good stuff. Hope they all get a nice dose of the reckoning police forces and federal law enforcement agencies are about to face.

The military and military industrial complex won't be far behind either.

And what might that reckoning be from the angry liburls?

Budgetary cuts, reductions in staff, higher educational and certification standards, the loss of their expensive toys.

Same with the military, military colleges, and contractors...but that'll come with time.

I'm not sure you really grasp how much Trump's America is pushing people away from your ideas, and how much the left is licking at the chops at taking away from defense items and sending that money towards education, healthcare, welfare, and environmental issues.

Today's left isn't the left of yesterday, especially when it comes to Gen Y who are beginning to gain power. We're not as compromising. Gen Z is even more progressive, and your side has essentially lost both for a lifetime. It's just a matter of time now.

If you hate liberal policies now, wait until the majority of Government are people my age. You won't recognize this country.

[BDKJMU]

And what might that reckoning be from the angry liburls?

Budgetary cuts, reductions in staff, higher educational and certification standards, the loss of their expensive toys.

Same with the military, military colleges, and Contractors...but that'll come with time.

I'm not sure you really grasp how much Trump's America is pushing people away from your ideas, and how much the left is licking at the chops in taking away from the defense items and sending that money towards education, healthcare, welfare, and environmental issues.

Today's left isn't the left of yesterday, especially when it comes to Gen Y who are beginning to gain power. Gen Z is even more progressive, and your side has essentially lost both for a lifetime. It's just a matter of time now.

Good if its higher ed/training. Nope for the rest of your drivel outside of some blue cities..It won’t be happening in red America. I’ll just quote Cid:

The disband movement is really just all talk. The politicians will blow a bunch of hot air, they’ll be supported by people who don’t think things through very carefully. Then it will go away with the hiring of another minority gay female police chief. And then we’ll wait for the next incident where nobody blames the mayor ir the chief

[∞∞∞]

It won’t be happening in red America.

It will happen to red America. When you make no major economic contributions and rely on handouts, it's easy for people and companies who actually produce wealth to squeeze your communities into submission. It's happened before and will happen again.

The world is always progressing along, and conservatives will be dragged along whether they want to or not. Sometimes it takes a while but understand this BDK, conservatism always fails in time. Always.

Advanced societies like to move forward, not stay where they are.

[CID1990]

Good stuff. Hope they all get a nice dose of the reckoning police forces and federal law enforcement agencies are about to face.

The military and military industrial complex won't be far behind either.

The only “reckoning” that is coming is going to be in minority and disadvantaged communities when they have to rely on something other than the government to provide public safety.

That “reckoning” is already occurring in places like Baltimore.

But I welcome it also - when only the most desperate will seek jobs in law enforcement... much in the same way that only the most depraved among us seek public office. Whenever a good, solid, college educated kid asks me about a career in law enforcement I do my best to discourage them.. usually with success


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[∞∞∞]

Good stuff. Hope they all get a nice dose of the reckoning police forces and federal law enforcement agencies are about to face.

The military and military industrial complex won't be far behind either.

The only “reckoning” that is coming is going to be in minority and disadvantaged communities when they have to rely on something other than the government to provide public safety.

That sentence is exactly why protests are happening.

And law enforcement is a symptom of a larger issue; reforming it is but one of many systemic changes that need to happen. Everything from capitalism to education to healthcare to welfare to the entire justice system needs revamping.

It simply depends on how much people (including liberals) are willing to sacrifice for the overall benefits of society. I wish I can say I'll be pleasantly surprised, but I have no hope for real systemic changes anytime soon.

[CID1990]

The only “reckoning” that is coming is going to be in minority and disadvantaged communities when they have to rely on something other than the government to provide public safety.

That sentence is exactly why protests are happening.

And law enforcement is a symptom of a larger issue; reforming it is but one of many systemic changes that need to happen. Everything from capitalism to education to healthcare to welfare to the entire justice system needs revamping.

It simply depends on how much people (including liberals) are willing to sacrifice for the overall benefits of society. I wish I can say I'll be pleasantly surprised, but I have no hope for real systemic changes anytime soon.

Just a little bit ago: RECKONING IS COMING!

just now: Woe is me systemic change isn’t coming

You’re all over the place dude


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[∞∞∞]

Just a little bit ago: RECKONING IS COMING!

just now: Woe is me systemic change isn’t coming

For the police? Yes, and it's deserved.

The other stuff (economic, education, etc.) which are the underlying issues? Someone surprise me.

So you're right in a way. Things will likely get worse with less police funding, but it's not 'cause there's less police funding...it's 'cause we're not tackling the problem in a holistic way. That said, reforming law enforcement still needs to be done.

[CID1990]

Just a little bit ago: RECKONING IS COMING!

just now: Woe is me systemic change isn’t coming

For the police? Yes, and it's deserved.

The other stuff (economic, education, etc.) which are the underlying issues? Someone surprise me.

So you're right in a way. Things will likely get worse with less police funding, but it's not 'cause there's less police funding...it's 'cause we're not tackling the problem in a holistic way. That said, reforming law enforcement still needs to be done.

A bunch of resignations on my old department within the last week... the ones I know personally are good guys, even keeled, keep the young bucks under control and teach them well. About 75 years of experience in community policing out the door.

What you mean to say is that the mayors and governors deserve it. Those officers don’t. But like me, they changed careers midstream and they’ll be better for it.

Enjoy the revolution! It will affect you more than it will me