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[kalm]

Multiple Florida Hospitals Run Out of ICU Beds as Coronavirus Cases Spike

As Florida health officials report another record single-day increase in cases of the novel coronavirus, new data shows hospitals across the state have filled most or all available beds in their respective intensive care units.

Numerous Florida medical facilities reported dwindling ICU bed availability on Thursday, with several reporting no availability at all, according to the latest report published by Florida's Agency for Health Care Administration (AHCA). Palm Beach County was among those statewide regions where the availability of beds was most scarce. An accompanying report from AHCA shows about 75 percent of available hospital beds statewide are currently occupied.

The AHCA's data showed two of Palm Beach County's 17 hospitals have already filled all ICU beds, while several other medical centers reported limited availability. One hospital in Miami-Dade County has also reached its ICU bed capacity as of Thursday, and the majority of hospitals have filled more than half of beds in intensive care units. Palm Beach and Miami-Dade counties have reported two of Florida's most severe local virus outbreaks.

https://www.newsweek.com/multiple-flori ... ssion=true

Well I guess they’ll have to bring back all those payed off hospital workers thanks to this crisis porn.

[GannonFan]

https://www.newsweek.com/multiple-flori ... ssion=true

Well I guess they’ll have to bring back all those payed off hospital workers thanks to this crisis porn.

And again, this gets back to the huge disconnect that we've seen throughout this pandemic in terms of quality reporting. You have this Newsweek article that says we're screwed, but if we go back to the link that Gil put up a few days ago with the IHME data it says that Florida, as of today, is at 27% capacity for ICU beds and 3% capacity for all beds. I'd probably wager that both your Newsweek article as well as the IMHE data are wrong, but that's only because I haven't seen a truly reliable source of data over these past several months. As an engineer, watching this - and I'm going to cuss which is rare for me - this shitshow go on, it's amazing how we have failed at so many levels and across so many disciplines - federal, state, local, journalists, scientists, health care workers, etc. It might be easier to make a list of who's done a good job through all of this, but I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable about listing anyone.

We might be screwed, we might not be, but good luck finding reliable, accurate, and unbiased information on whether we are or not.

[kalm]

Well I guess they’ll have to bring back all those payed off hospital workers thanks to this crisis porn.

And again, this gets back to the huge disconnect that we've seen throughout this pandemic in terms of quality reporting. You have this Newsweek article that says we're screwed, but if we go back to the link that Gil put up a few days ago with the IHME data it says that Florida, as of today, is at 27% capacity for ICU beds and 3% capacity for all beds. I'd probably wager that both your Newsweek article as well as the IMHE data are wrong, but that's only because I haven't seen a truly reliable source of data over these past several months. As an engineer, watching this - and I'm going to cuss which is rare for me - this shitshow go on, it's amazing how we have failed at so many levels and across so many disciplines - federal, state, local, journalists, scientists, health care workers, etc. It might be easier to make a list of who's done a good job through all of this, but I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable about listing anyone.

We might be screwed, we might not be, but good luck finding reliable, accurate, and unbiased information on whether we are or not.

We’re not screwed, but things like bed capacity if taken directly from regional health districts and/or hospitals should be pause for concern. It’s similar to the autonomous zones where its mad max or another street fair like they’ve been having since the 60’s.

I avoid things like Huffpo, Yahoo, and the infotainment networks for their sensationalism.

[GannonFan]

And again, this gets back to the huge disconnect that we've seen throughout this pandemic in terms of quality reporting. You have this Newsweek article that says we're screwed, but if we go back to the link that Gil put up a few days ago with the IHME data it says that Florida, as of today, is at 27% capacity for ICU beds and 3% capacity for all beds. I'd probably wager that both your Newsweek article as well as the IMHE data are wrong, but that's only because I haven't seen a truly reliable source of data over these past several months. As an engineer, watching this - and I'm going to cuss which is rare for me - this shitshow go on, it's amazing how we have failed at so many levels and across so many disciplines - federal, state, local, journalists, scientists, health care workers, etc. It might be easier to make a list of who's done a good job through all of this, but I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable about listing anyone.

We might be screwed, we might not be, but good luck finding reliable, accurate, and unbiased information on whether we are or not.

We’re not screwed, but things like bed capacity if taken directly from regional health districts and/or hospitals should be pause for concern. It’s similar to the autonomous zones where its mad max or another street fair like they’ve been having since the 60’s.

I avoid things like Huffpo, Yahoo, and the infotainment networks for their sensationalism.

But you're taking real small snippets of information. So what if a hospital in one city in one part of the state is out of ICU room? Patients are transferred all the time, even in non-pandemic times, from one hospital to another depending upon instantaneous capacity. But now you take that commonplace occurrence, play it against the worry that is the pandemic, and you have a sensationalized comment that can is spun whichever way partisans (and this includes journalists) want to spin it. Again, that IMHE data says there's plenty of room in the state, Newsweek says they're almost all used - so what gives?

[kalm]

We’re not screwed, but things like bed capacity if taken directly from regional health districts and/or hospitals should be pause for concern. It’s similar to the autonomous zones where its mad max or another street fair like they’ve been having since the 60’s.

I avoid things like Huffpo, Yahoo, and the infotainment networks for their sensationalism.

But you're taking real small snippets of information. So what if a hospital in one city in one part of the state is out of ICU room? Patients are transferred all the time, even in non-pandemic times, from one hospital to another depending upon instantaneous capacity. But now you take that commonplace occurrence, play it against the worry that is the pandemic, and you have a sensationalized comment that can is spun whichever way partisans (and this includes journalists) want to spin it. Again, that IMHE data says there's plenty of room in the state, Newsweek says they're almost all used - so what gives?

Go back and read the headline. It’s accurate. Read the article. They detail how many and where.

If the headline read “Florida is Fucked” your point would be better. This is so not a “common place occurrence”. That’s as disingenuous as the sensationalism you decry.

[BDKJMU]

Multiple Florida Hospitals Run Out of ICU Beds as Coronavirus Cases Spike

As Florida health officials report another record single-day increase in cases of the novel coronavirus, new data shows hospitals across the state have filled most or all available beds in their respective intensive care units.

Numerous Florida medical facilities reported dwindling ICU bed availability on Thursday, with several reporting no availability at all, according to the latest report published by Florida's Agency for Health Care Administration (AHCA). Palm Beach County was among those statewide regions where the availability of beds was most scarce. An accompanying report from AHCA shows about 75 percent of available hospital beds statewide are currently occupied.

The AHCA's data showed two of Palm Beach County's 17 hospitals have already filled all ICU beds, while several other medical centers reported limited availability. One hospital in Miami-Dade County has also reached its ICU bed capacity as of Thursday, and the majority of hospitals have filled more than half of beds in intensive care units. Palm Beach and Miami-Dade counties have reported two of Florida's most severe local virus outbreaks.

https://www.newsweek.com/multiple-flori ... ssion=true

But what about The Villages?

[CAA Flagship]

But what about The Villages?

[GannonFan]

But you're taking real small snippets of information. So what if a hospital in one city in one part of the state is out of ICU room? Patients are transferred all the time, even in non-pandemic times, from one hospital to another depending upon instantaneous capacity. But now you take that commonplace occurrence, play it against the worry that is the pandemic, and you have a sensationalized comment that can is spun whichever way partisans (and this includes journalists) want to spin it. Again, that IMHE data says there's plenty of room in the state, Newsweek says they're almost all used - so what gives?

Go back and read the headline. It’s accurate. Read the article. They detail how many and where.

If the headline read “Florida is Fucked” your point would be better. This is so not a “common place occurrence”. That’s as disingenuous as the sensationalism you decry.

It is commonplace to move patients or reroute patients from one hospital to another. ER's close down all the time depending on capacity and they redirect ambulances to other ER's to balance the load. That's the commonplace I'm referring to. Same thing happens with ICU space. All the tv shows in our time - "ER", "Grey's Anatomy" and others have proved that.

[kalm]

Go back and read the headline. It’s accurate. Read the article. They detail how many and where.

If the headline read “Florida is Fucked” your point would be better. This is so not a “common place occurrence”. That’s as disingenuous as the sensationalism you decry.

It is commonplace to move patients or reroute patients from one hospital to another. ER's close down all the time depending on capacity and they redirect ambulances to other ER's to balance the load. That's the commonplace I'm referring to. Same thing happens with ICU space. All the tv shows in our time - "ER", "Grey's Anatomy" and others have proved that.

Never watched any of them.

[GannonFan]

It is commonplace to move patients or reroute patients from one hospital to another. ER's close down all the time depending on capacity and they redirect ambulances to other ER's to balance the load. That's the commonplace I'm referring to. Same thing happens with ICU space. All the tv shows in our time - "ER", "Grey's Anatomy" and others have proved that.

Never watched any of them.

I could glean that from your lack of knowledge of how hospitals work. Plus you're getting older now so it's probably been awhile since you had to take one of your kids to an ER for an allergic reaction or an injury - it's good to see how the system works from time to time. It's like the Japanese Gemba walk concept. Good stuff.

[Skjellyfetti]

I agree that one hospital running out of ICU beds doesn't mean a complete disaster.

But, if one hospital no longer has ICU occupancy, that creates more burden on the other hospitals and their ICU beds will be filled quicker... then on down the line. Eventually, if the curve isn't flattened in these hotspots, it will become a very big problem.

[kalm]

Never watched any of them.

I could glean that from your lack of knowledge of how hospitals work. Plus you're getting older now so it's probably been awhile since you had to take one of your kids to an ER for an allergic reaction or an injury - it's good to see how the system works from time to time. It's like the Japanese Gemba walk concept. Good stuff.

Yeah...my knowledge of hospitals does not come from TV shows. If it counts, I have a nurse friend who’s been working the Covid unit. I can also process articles about how rural hospitals have flooded Montgomery, AL with patients basically putting the 2nd largest city in the state on the brink of having no beds

[GannonFan]

I could glean that from your lack of knowledge of how hospitals work. Plus you're getting older now so it's probably been awhile since you had to take one of your kids to an ER for an allergic reaction or an injury - it's good to see how the system works from time to time. It's like the Japanese Gemba walk concept. Good stuff.

Yeah...my knowledge of hospitals does not come from TV shows. If it counts, I have a nurse friend who’s been working the Covid unit. I can also process articles about how rural hospitals have flooded Montgomery, AL with patients basically putting the 2nd largest city in the state on the brink of having no beds

And my response was tongue-in-cheek, so settle down Francis. We probably all know people who work in health care. I talk regularly with a neighbor who is nursing manager at a significant research/teaching hospital in downtown Philly. We all come to this with some knowledge.

[kalm]

Yeah...my knowledge of hospitals does not come from TV shows. If it counts, I have a nurse friend who’s been working the Covid unit. I can also process articles about how rural hospitals have flooded Montgomery, AL with patients basically putting the 2nd largest city in the state on the brink of having no beds

And my response was tongue-in-cheek, so settle down Francis. We probably all know people who work in health care. I talk regularly with a neighbor who is nursing manager at a significant research/teaching hospital in downtown Philly. We all come to this with some knowledge.

Yep but we were arguing just last week whether case counts mattered.

[GannonFan]

And my response was tongue-in-cheek, so settle down Francis. We probably all know people who work in health care. I talk regularly with a neighbor who is nursing manager at a significant research/teaching hospital in downtown Philly. We all come to this with some knowledge.

Yep but we were arguing just like week whether case counts mattered.

And by themselves they don't - context is everything. Who's the population making up the case counts, are they getting sick, are they requiring hospitalization, are they requiring ICU use, and are they dying? All these categories are fluid versus each other so just looking at case counts means very little without the other numbers. But headlines have to be short so we get whatever can get attention. We used to use headlines to get people drawn in to read more about a topic and we could add the context then, but that went the way of the dodo when we focused more on the number of clicks.

[kalm]

Yep but we were arguing just like week whether case counts mattered.

And by themselves they don't - context is everything. Who's the population making up the case counts, are they getting sick, are they requiring hospitalization, are they requiring ICU use, and are they dying? All these categories are fluid versus each other so just looking at case counts means very little without the other numbers. But headlines have to be short so we get whatever can get attention. We used to use headlines to get people drawn in to read more about a topic and we could add the context then, but that went the way of the dodo when we focused more on the number of clicks.

I actually read the articles and dismiss the sensationalism. All I’m pointing out is too many people are still in denial and case counts do matter. Of course the other numbers matter. Who’s arguing they don’t?

[SDHornet]

Yawn.

Over 80% of U.S. businesses have 20 employees or less. How many could afford to lose 75% of their workers for two weeks? Or 4 weeks?

Or are you suggesting we don’t quarantine people who test positive?

How many can afford to shutdown again?

[SDHornet]

Well I guess they’ll have to bring back all those payed off hospital workers thanks to this crisis porn.

And again, this gets back to the huge disconnect that we've seen throughout this pandemic in terms of quality reporting. You have this Newsweek article that says we're screwed, but if we go back to the link that Gil put up a few days ago with the IHME data it says that Florida, as of today, is at 27% capacity for ICU beds and 3% capacity for all beds. I'd probably wager that both your Newsweek article as well as the IMHE data are wrong, but that's only because I haven't seen a truly reliable source of data over these past several months. As an engineer, watching this - and I'm going to cuss which is rare for me - this shitshow go on, it's amazing how we have failed at so many levels and across so many disciplines - federal, state, local, journalists, scientists, health care workers, etc. It might be easier to make a list of who's done a good job through all of this, but I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable about listing anyone.

We might be screwed, we might not be, but good luck finding reliable, accurate, and unbiased information on whether we are or not.

Yup. CA is implementing mandatory masks pretty much everywhere outside of your home...

...literally weeks after many politicians and leaders encouraged thousands of people to hit the streets and protest police brutality (or whatever)....

...which of course came a week or so after vilifying anyone protesting against the shutdowns.

Yeah, not giving a fuck about CA's new "rules", and I'll keep doing what I've been doing wrt to safety protocols (masks when shopping, no mask when outside, hand washing, etc).

[kalm]

Over 80% of U.S. businesses have 20 employees or less. How many could afford to lose 75% of their workers for two weeks? Or 4 weeks?

Or are you suggesting we don’t quarantine people who test positive?

How many can afford to shutdown again?

Exactly.

[GannonFan]

And again, this gets back to the huge disconnect that we've seen throughout this pandemic in terms of quality reporting. You have this Newsweek article that says we're screwed, but if we go back to the link that Gil put up a few days ago with the IHME data it says that Florida, as of today, is at 27% capacity for ICU beds and 3% capacity for all beds. I'd probably wager that both your Newsweek article as well as the IMHE data are wrong, but that's only because I haven't seen a truly reliable source of data over these past several months. As an engineer, watching this - and I'm going to cuss which is rare for me - this shitshow go on, it's amazing how we have failed at so many levels and across so many disciplines - federal, state, local, journalists, scientists, health care workers, etc. It might be easier to make a list of who's done a good job through all of this, but I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable about listing anyone.

We might be screwed, we might not be, but good luck finding reliable, accurate, and unbiased information on whether we are or not.

Yup. CA is implementing mandatory masks pretty much everywhere outside of your home...

...literally weeks after many politicians and leaders encouraged thousands of people to hit the streets and protest police brutality (or whatever)....

...which of course came a week or so after vilifying anyone protesting against the shutdowns.

Yeah, not giving a fuck about CA's new "rules", and I'll keep doing what I've been doing wrt to safety protocols (masks when shopping, no mask when outside, hand washing, etc).

Our lack of quality leadership, at all levels of government, is staggering. We've managed to make politics so disagreeable that we filter out anyone with a shred of decency/worthiness from running for anything. Well done us.

[SDHornet]

FL is so bad but its still having less daily deaths than NY. Go figure.

[Ibanez]

Since when have you cared about lying?

Ok, you're cool with Fauci lying about the masks. Got it.

You support Trump - a man who lies about almost everything. You’re really in no room to talk.


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[SDHornet]

747 deaths nationwide yesterday. Down from a peak of 2,692 on April 21.

[CAA Flagship]

747 deaths nationwide yesterday. Down from a peak of 2,692 on April 21.

Last Monday was the lowest non-Sunday death total since late March.

[kalm]

747 deaths nationwide yesterday. Down from a peak of 2,692 on April 21.

Last Monday was the lowest non-Sunday death total since late March.

Link?