Coronavirus COVID-19

[kalm]

Because more people die or have long term health effects. They’re also equated to reopening businesses. Even the dumbass governor of Texas might be starting to get it.

You can't accurately compare case numbers chronologically or geographically unless you have a valid way to equalize for the percentage and the demographics of the population being tested.

There are no direct comparisons even from county to county but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be paying attention.

[Baldy]

Would you rather be like France or Russia and Brazil right now? American exceptionalism!

That insult succinctly conveys the crux of the problem. American leadership has politicized the pandemic instead of trying to fight it. I see no preparedness, no coordinated top-down leadership of the sort we’ve enjoyed in Europe. I see only empty posturing, the sad spectacle of the president refusing to wear a mask, just to own the libs. What an astonishing self-inflicted wound.

On June 26, a day when the U.S. notched some 45,000 new cases—how’s that for “American carnage”?—the European Union announced that it would loosen some travel restrictions but extend its ban on visitors from the United States and other hot-spot nations. On Tuesday, it confirmed that remarkable and deeply humiliating decision, a clear message that in pandemic management, the EU believes that the United States is no better than Russia and Brazil—autocrat-run public-health disasters—and that American tourists would pose a dire threat to the hard-won stability our lockdown has earned us. So much for the myth that the American political system and way of life are a model for the world.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ium=social

"American leadership"

Yeah, I'm sure the media has had absolutely nothing to do with it.

[Baldy]

How are new cases equated to carnage? Sensationalize much?

Because more people die or have long term health effects. They’re also equated to reopening businesses. Even the dumbass governor of Texas might be starting to get it.

Equated to reopening businesses, but not riots and protests?

[kalm]

Would you rather be like France or Russia and Brazil right now? American exceptionalism!



https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ium=social

"American leadership"

Yeah, I'm sure the media has had absolutely nothing to do with it.

I don’t think Cuomo handled it well either and we are all complicit as a nation. Oh wait...nevermind...its every man for himself.

[Baldy]

Yeah, that colored guy from NYC at the bottom left of the Youtube screenshot is about a redneck as you can get.

This is a Zoomer thing. It's generational.

Meh. Redneckism also transcends race and age.

Yeah...

[Ivytalk]

Would you rather be like France or Russia and Brazil right now? American exceptionalism!



https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ium=social

"American leadership"

Yeah, I'm sure the media has had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Let’s see, now:

1. The Atlantic

2. American expat living in France (but of course!)

3. Who happens to be black

Got it.

[kalm]

"American leadership"

Yeah, I'm sure the media has had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Let’s see, now:

1. The Atlantic

2. American expat living in France (but of course!)

3. Who happens to be black

Got it.

Tell us how your experience has been different.

And what does being black have to do with it?

[UNI88]

You can't accurately compare case numbers chronologically or geographically unless you have a valid way to equalize for the percentage and the demographics of the population being tested.

There are no direct comparisons even from county to county but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be paying attention but doing so with a grain of salt because we might not be comparing apples to apples.

FYP

[CID1990]

Would you rather be like France or Russia and Brazil right now? American exceptionalism!

That insult succinctly conveys the crux of the problem. American leadership has politicized the pandemic instead of trying to fight it. I see no preparedness, no coordinated top-down leadership of the sort we’ve enjoyed in Europe. I see only empty posturing, the sad spectacle of the president refusing to wear a mask, just to own the libs. What an astonishing self-inflicted wound.

On June 26, a day when the U.S. notched some 45,000 new cases—how’s that for “American carnage”?—the European Union announced that it would loosen some travel restrictions but extend its ban on visitors from the United States and other hot-spot nations. On Tuesday, it confirmed that remarkable and deeply humiliating decision, a clear message that in pandemic management, the EU believes that the United States is no better than Russia and Brazil—autocrat-run public-health disasters—and that American tourists would pose a dire threat to the hard-won stability our lockdown has earned us. So much for the myth that the American political system and way of life are a model for the world.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ium=social

Its true - the US is a transparent sh1t show over this virus

I just flew into DFW from Tokyo yesterday, enroute DC

The airport was busy, bars were open, maybe 50% were wearing masks. A buddy actually saw a guy pull down his mask to sneeze .... ಠ_ಠ

There is zero leadership coming from anywhere right now, except maybe a few governors. And nobody gets a pass - because if you combine the “mah rats” crowd with the protest crowd and their enablers you get about 99% of Americans

But don’t you worry your little head about the proletarian old man of Europe, klam... we’ll be back to propping them up contra US interests in short order


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[Ivytalk]

Let’s see, now:

1. The Atlantic

2. American expat living in France (but of course!)

3. Who happens to be black

Got it.

Tell us how your experience has been different.

And what does being black have to do with it?

Just saying that your link touched all the usual klam bases, starting with the left-wing source.

[kalm]

Tell us how your experience has been different.

And what does being black have to do with it?

Just saying that your link touched all the usual klam bases, starting with the left-wing source.

Well it said similar things to what CID was reporting from Asia and I didn’t look into nor do I care what color the author was so...

[Ivytalk]

Just saying that your link touched all the usual klam bases, starting with the left-wing source.

Well it said similar things to what CID was reporting from Asia and I didn’t look into nor do I care what color the author was so...

So if CID jumped off the Empire State Building, we should all jump off the Empire State Building.

[kalm]

Well it said similar things to what CID was reporting from Asia and I didn’t look into nor do I care what color the author was so...

So if CID jumped off the Empire State Building, we should all jump off the Empire State Building.

I’ll hold your hand we can jump together!

[SeattleGriz]

Well it said similar things to what CID was reporting from Asia and I didn’t look into nor do I care what color the author was so...

So if CID jumped off the Empire State Building, we should all jump off the Empire State Building.

Yes!

[BDKJMU]

According to a protocol-based treatment algorithm, among hospitalized patients, use of hydroxychloroquine alone and in combination with azithromycin was associated with a significant reduction in-hospital mortality compared to not receiving hydroxychloroquine.

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S120 ... 8/fulltext

Turns put Trump was right.

[Baldy]

klam, felchy, Treep, Clitz....

[JohnStOnge]

Because more people die or have long term health effects. They’re also equated to reopening businesses. Even the dumbass governor of Texas might be starting to get it.

You can't accurately compare case numbers chronologically or geographically unless you have a valid way to equalize for the percentage and the demographics of the population being tested.

I don't think the demographics matter. Also, I think that testing frequency is likely to rise as infection rate rises. I think it likely that, if more people start expressing symptoms themselves or are exposed to other people expressing symptoms, there is likely to be more testing. In other words: Yes, more testing can reveal more cases. But I think it is also true that more cases leads to more testing.

If I had to bet, I would bet that we are indeed having more cases right now than we were during the first case reports peak.

I suspect that a factor in us not seeing as many deaths is that health care professionals have learned some things about managing the disease. Also the thing about a greater proportion of the diagnosed cases being younger people. But we will see what happens in the future. I'd say we should start to have a better idea about two weeks from now.

[∞∞∞]

Why the laughing? It's a good thing if true.

This is one of many studies and others found the opposite. Some have found it to be worse.

Let the science play out; this is why we do more than one study.

[JohnStOnge]

BTW, if you look at the EU countries that have higher per capita testing rates than the United States you see the same thing as you see when you look at the EU overall. You see cases peaking in March or April then declining. There are some, such as Portugal, that show some resurgence. But nothing like the United States. What's going on in the United States right now cannot be reasonably ascribed to just the fact that more tests are being performed. Any reasonable analysis is going to lead to the conclusion that we are having a surge in cases.

[UNI88]

You can't accurately compare case numbers chronologically or geographically unless you have a valid way to equalize for the percentage and the demographics of the population being tested.

I don't think the demographics matter. Also, I think that testing frequency is likely to rise as infection rate rises. I think it likely that, if more people start expressing symptoms themselves or are exposed to other people expressing symptoms, there is likely to be more testing. In other words: Yes, more testing can reveal more cases. But I think it is also true that more cases leads to more testing.

If I had to bet, I would bet that we are indeed having more cases right now than we were during the first case reports peak.

I suspect that a factor in us not seeing as many deaths is that health care professionals have learned some things about managing the disease. Also the thing about a greater proportion of the diagnosed cases being younger people. But we will see what happens in the future. I'd say we should start to have a better idea about two weeks from now.

Demographics could matter if tests in April focused on the most at-risk people who were more likely to use precautions and now more younger people who are less likely to use precautions are being tested. At least some of the increase in infection rates can be accounted for by the increased testing. People are testing positive that would not have qualified for testing earlier.

I'm not saying we should ignore the number of cases but we should be trying to normalize the results so that comparisons over time are valid.

[SeattleGriz]

Why the laughing? It's a good thing if true.

This is one of many studies and others found the opposite. Some have found it to be worse.

Let the science play out; this is why we do more than one study.

The issue is that it ALWAYS has been true. Even Fauci touted it's effectiveness on SARS virus.

The "studies" you quote were travesties of science.

[kalm]

Regardless of how you emotionally or political feel this guy has been getting it mostly right from the start. Policy makers won’t have a choice now but to be reactive. Rollercoaster continues...

We need to increase test capacity more. University labs should get rapid CLIA certification. Pooling samples and large scale saliva tests will help but are still some time off.
But if cases keep growing it is not possible to scale testing exponentially. So we as a society have a few choices to make.
-Going to bars or working to open schools
-Pushing employees back to work or WFH
-Fighting over masks vs wearing one
-Continuing to go state by state or pushing the fed government to take more responsibility

Every decision we make wrong costs time, jobs & people’s lives

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1279 ... 94912.html

[kalm]

Why the laughing? It's a good thing if true.

This is one of many studies and others found the opposite. Some have found it to be worse.

Let the science play out; this is why we do more than one study.

[SeattleGriz]

Regardless of how you emotionally or political feel this guy has been getting it mostly right from the start. Policy makers won’t have a choice now but to be reactive. Rollercoaster continues...

We need to increase test capacity more. University labs should get rapid CLIA certification. Pooling samples and large scale saliva tests will help but are still some time off.
But if cases keep growing it is not possible to scale testing exponentially. So we as a society have a few choices to make.
-Going to bars or working to open schools
-Pushing employees back to work or WFH
-Fighting over masks vs wearing one
-Continuing to go state by state or pushing the fed government to take more responsibility

Every decision we make wrong costs time, jobs & people’s lives

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1279 ... 94912.html

Not buying the rapid CLIA certification unless we want to turn our labs into Walmart of testing.

Good idea, but they need to complete the process. Chances are, if they qualified already, they would have already gotten the cert.

CAP is another cert that requires higher standards than CLIA.

By the way, I used to work for LabCorp, certified in both, so I know a little about lab quality.

[kalm]

Regardless of how you emotionally or political feel this guy has been getting it mostly right from the start. Policy makers won’t have a choice now but to be reactive. Rollercoaster continues...



https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1279 ... 94912.html

Not buying the rapid CLIA certification unless we want to turn our labs into Walmart of testing.

Good idea, but they need to complete the process. Chances are, if they qualified already, they would have already gotten the cert.

CAP is another cert that requires higher standards than CLIA.

By the way, I used to work for LabCorp, certified in both, so I know a little about lab quality.

I’ll yield to your experience here but we are in extraordinary times and green lighting through some traditional regs is being used right now to fast track vaccine development.

His greater point is that we are approaching the binary decision level when it comes to behavior. Celebrate the 4th with a bunch of friends, family trip, sit down at the bar, etc. vs kiddos going back to some semblance of a normal school environment in the fall.

Regardless of politics and feels.