Coronavirus COVID-19

[SDHornet]

If the death count doesn’t get its shit together soon, this will no longer be considered an epidemic....

https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/06/cd ... -epidemic/

BuT NeW CaSeS ThOuGh

[AZGrizFan]

If the death count doesn’t get its shit together soon, this will no longer be considered an epidemic....

https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/06/cd ... -epidemic/

BuT NeW CaSeS ThOuGh

They’re not cooperating by killing folks, Gabe.

[Col Hogan]

[kalm]

If the death count doesn’t get its shit together soon, this will no longer be considered an epidemic....

https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/06/cd ... -epidemic/

BuT NeW CaSeS ThOuGh

Death rate going down...good.

New cases...bad.

New cases drive total deaths up and slow down economy....bad.

[HI54UNI]

My neighbors are in their 80s and both have it. Symptoms were loss of appetite, fatigue, aches, diarrhea. Never had a fever. Both are over the worst of it and other than loss of appetite feel normal. Both said in a normal year they would've thought they caught some kind of stomach bug.

[SeattleGriz]

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Death rate going down...good.

New cases...bad.

New cases drive total deaths up and slow down economy....bad.

New cases don't drive up deaths if they are incorrectly being counted as new cases.

Plenty of evidence showing they are lumping antibody tests in with viral tests to create new cases.

If you have the antibodies, you HAD COVID. Can't count that as a new case, but they are. Only the viral test, which shows an active infection should be counted as new.

If anything, they keep driving the IFR down to the flu level.

[kalm]

Death rate going down...good.

New cases...bad.

New cases drive total deaths up and slow down economy....bad.

New cases don't drive up deaths if they are incorrectly being counted as new cases.

Plenty of evidence showing they are lumping antibody tests in with viral tests to create new cases.

If you have the antibodies, you HAD COVID. Can't count that as a new case, but they are. Only the viral test, which shows an active infection should be counted as new.

If anything, they keep driving the IFR down to the flu level.

The testing accuracy is all over the place including antigen testing. There are some epidemiologists who think cases are being under counted by significant numbers.

[SDHornet]

New cases don't drive up deaths if they are incorrectly being counted as new cases.

Plenty of evidence showing they are lumping antibody tests in with viral tests to create new cases.

If you have the antibodies, you HAD COVID. Can't count that as a new case, but they are. Only the viral test, which shows an active infection should be counted as new.

If anything, they keep driving the IFR down to the flu level.

The testing accuracy is all over the place including antigen testing. There are some epidemiologists who think cases are being under counted by significant numbers.

And yet the deaths aren't there...

[AZGrizFan]

The testing accuracy is all over the place including antigen testing. There are some epidemiologists who think cases are being under counted by significant numbers.

And yet the deaths aren't there...

klammy keeps leading with his face today.

[kalm]

And yet the deaths aren't there...

klammy keeps leading with his face today.

Are people no longer dying from it? That’s great!!! How about hospitalizations? What will it look like in a few weeks?

You’re making this harder than you need to so I’m gonna give you both the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to willful ignorance rather than just outright stupidity....lol:

[kalm]

Btw...it would still be wonderful if you guys are right. Regardless you’ll never be wrong because social distancing, masks, etc will help you crow your case. It’s a grand defensible position to be in.

[SDHornet]

Btw...it would still be wonderful if you guys are right. Regardless you’ll never be wrong because social distancing, masks, etc will help you crow your case. It’s a grand defensible position to be in.

Or maybe the Chinese Flu isn't as deadly as the "experts" claimed or that the media hoped.

But yeah, masks and social distancing are the reason people aren't dying in droves.

[Gil Dobie]

Btw...it would still be wonderful if you guys are right. Regardless you’ll never be wrong because social distancing, masks, etc will help you crow your case. It’s a grand defensible position to be in.

Or maybe the Chinese Flu isn't as deadly as the "experts" claimed or that the media hoped.

But yeah, masks and social distancing are the reason people aren't dying in droves.

Only have to wait until the election for it to go away. Just a MSM, Democratic hoax that the Mayo Clinic and my Dr fell for.

[AZGrizFan]

klammy keeps leading with his face today.

Are people no longer dying from it? That’s great!!! How about hospitalizations? What will it look like in a few weeks?

You’re making this harder than you need to so I’m gonna give you both the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to willful ignorance rather than just outright stupidity....lol:

Two more weeks, right bro?

[kalm]

Are people no longer dying from it? That’s great!!! How about hospitalizations? What will it look like in a few weeks?

You’re making this harder than you need to so I’m gonna give you both the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to willful ignorance rather than just outright stupidity....lol:

Two more weeks, right bro?

Not likely...especially if we “open back up”.

I’d love to see the studies debunking this and for it to be wrong...bro.

This is what Good Science looks like, not that CDC crap on 6/26

Plain English Summary - 5% of Spain Was infected during the period of time between 4.27 - 5/11, with 33% of those infected Asymptomatic, and a huge under test and treatment of Symptomatic Mild Cases. If these numbers hold absent a time frame it indicates a much lower Infection Fatality Rate ("IFR") of 1.21%, versus a Case Fatality Rate ("CFR") of about 9.5%. The CFR is the number of fatalities divided by the number of confirmed cases by serum test. This is the first wide scale well done definitional study. It has a weakness that it could only test about 70% of its designed test sample, but even with that the Confidence Rate of the results is 95% which is damn good, Id like to see a 99% Confidence Interval, but this is credible and should be relied on. Even with a 1.21% IFR, Covid-19 still 100 Times More Deadly than the Seasonal Flu, which has an IFR of about .013%

Between April 27 and May 11, 2020, seroprevalence for the entire country was 5·0% (95% CI 4·7–5·4) by the point-of-care test and 4·6% (4·3–5·0) by immunoassay (table 1); the seroprevalence specificity–sensitivity range was 3·7% (3·3–4·0; both tests positive) to 6·2% (5·8–6·6; either test positive).

The majority of the Spanish population is seronegative to SARS-CoV-2 infection, even in hotspot areas. Most PCR-confirmed cases have detectable antibodies, but a substantial proportion of people with symptoms compatible with COVID-19 did not have a PCR test and at least a third of infections determined by serology were asymptomatic. These results emphasise the need for maintaining public health measures to avoid a new epidemic wave.

In conclusion, our study provides nationwide and regional estimates of SARS-CoV-2 dissemination in Spain, showing remarkable differences between higher and lower prevalence areas. One in three infections seems to be asymptomatic, while a substantial number of symptomatic cases remained untested. Despite the high impact of COVID-19 in Spain, prevalence estimates remain low and are clearly insufficient to provide herd immunity. This cannot be achieved without accepting the collateral damage of many deaths in the susceptible population and overburdening of health systems. In this situation, social distance measures and efforts to identify and isolate new cases and their contacts are imperative for future epidemic control

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https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... 5/fulltext

[AZGrizFan]

Two more weeks, right bro?

Not likely...especially if we “open back up”.

I’d love to see the studies debunking this and for it to be wrong...bro.

This is what Good Science looks like, not that CDC crap on 6/26

Plain English Summary - 5% of Spain Was infected during the period of time between 4.27 - 5/11, with 33% of those infected Asymptomatic, and a huge under test and treatment of Symptomatic Mild Cases. If these numbers hold absent a time frame it indicates a much lower Infection Fatality Rate ("IFR") of 1.21%, versus a Case Fatality Rate ("CFR") of about 9.5%. The CFR is the number of fatalities divided by the number of confirmed cases by serum test. This is the first wide scale well done definitional study. It has a weakness that it could only test about 70% of its designed test sample, but even with that the Confidence Rate of the results is 95% which is damn good, Id like to see a 99% Confidence Interval, but this is credible and should be relied on. Even with a 1.21% IFR, Covid-19 still 100 Times More Deadly than the Seasonal Flu, which has an IFR of about .013%

Between April 27 and May 11, 2020, seroprevalence for the entire country was 5·0% (95% CI 4·7–5·4) by the point-of-care test and 4·6% (4·3–5·0) by immunoassay (table 1); the seroprevalence specificity–sensitivity range was 3·7% (3·3–4·0; both tests positive) to 6·2% (5·8–6·6; either test positive).

The majority of the Spanish population is seronegative to SARS-CoV-2 infection, even in hotspot areas. Most PCR-confirmed cases have detectable antibodies, but a substantial proportion of people with symptoms compatible with COVID-19 did not have a PCR test and at least a third of infections determined by serology were asymptomatic. These results emphasise the need for maintaining public health measures to avoid a new epidemic wave.

In conclusion, our study provides nationwide and regional estimates of SARS-CoV-2 dissemination in Spain, showing remarkable differences between higher and lower prevalence areas. One in three infections seems to be asymptomatic, while a substantial number of symptomatic cases remained untested. Despite the high impact of COVID-19 in Spain, prevalence estimates remain low and are clearly insufficient to provide herd immunity. This cannot be achieved without accepting the collateral damage of many deaths in the susceptible population and overburdening of health systems. In this situation, social distance measures and efforts to identify and isolate new cases and their contacts are imperative for future epidemic control

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https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... 5/fulltext

Got to admit, I don’t care about Spain. I care about what I see happening in THIS country.

[kalm]

Not likely...especially if we “open back up”.

I’d love to see the studies debunking this and for it to be wrong...bro.

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https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... 5/fulltext

Got to admit, I don’t care about Spain. I care about what I see happening in THIS country.

Nice deflection...

[SDHornet]

Or maybe the Chinese Flu isn't as deadly as the "experts" claimed or that the media hoped.

But yeah, masks and social distancing are the reason people aren't dying in droves.

Only have to wait until the election for it to go away. Just a MSM, Democratic hoax that the Mayo Clinic and my Dr fell for.

Oh the msm and DNC are for sure dragging this out until the election. Anything to get forced mail in ballots sent out to the public.

[SDHornet]

BuT ThE PrOtEsTs DiDnT SpReAd ThE ViRuS

[kalm]

Only have to wait until the election for it to go away. Just a MSM, Democratic hoax that the Mayo Clinic and my Dr fell for.

Oh the msm and DNC are for sure dragging this out until the election. Anything to get forced mail in ballots sent out to the public.

Yeah....those evil socialists owning the billion dollar media companies and Dem politicians can’t wait to take over the economy come November!

[93henfan]

[SDHornet]

Oh the msm and DNC are for sure dragging this out until the election. Anything to get forced mail in ballots sent out to the public.

Yeah....those evil socialists owning the billion dollar media companies and Dem politicians can’t wait to take over the economy come November!

Signature bet that the msm keeps harping on the Chinese Flu until Nov 3rd, 2020?

[SeattleGriz]

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It's Trump's fault.

[CID1990]

There’s something personally odd to me about this virus..

When there is something that appears to be statistically uncommon, like getting struck my lightning, dying of the flu, or dying of COVID-19, I expect to not personally know anyone who has made the stat sheets.

For example, I don’t know anyone who has died of influenza, ever. I don’t know anyone who had been struck by lightning. If I hadn’t been a cop, I wouldn’t know anyone who had been a victim of an armed robbery or a forcible rape. But I know at least 20 COVID deaths off the top of my head. That is not to suggest that the death rate is higher than we think, just that for such a low fatality rate, I know people who have been affected. All of them were older than 60 so far (but I have a classmate in ICU right now).

One thing that bothers me more than the death rate is the rate of bad outcomes. If you wind up in ICU on a ventilator and are lucky enough to survive, there is a smorgasbord of complications that people are experiencing that some people like me would consider not being ventilated. Permanent kidney failure is the big one. There are COVID survivors who are now looking forward to dialysis for 6 hours every 3 days for the rest of their lives. Organ damage (particularly lung and kidney) is prevalent, as are other complications that we do not see in people who have recovered from things like the flu. There are also what appears to be neurological aftereffects as well.

If I were to get this virus and then wind up having to go on morphine just to combat the pain in my lungs from coughing, and my O2 levels were dropping to the point that a vent and induced coma was medically indicated, I may give serious consideration to refusing the ventilator. The little bit of scholarship coming out on complications after surviving this disease isn’t pretty, and I’ve always been a quality of life guy.


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[AshevilleApp]

There’s something personally odd to me about this virus..

When there is something that appears to be statistically uncommon, like getting struck my lightning, dying of the flu, or dying of COVID-19, I expect to not personally know anyone who has made the stat sheets.

For example, I don’t know anyone who has died of influenza, ever. I don’t know anyone who had been struck by lightning. If I hadn’t been a cop, I wouldn’t know anyone who had been a victim of an armed robbery or a forcible rape. But I know at least 20 COVID deaths off the top of my head. That is not to suggest that the death rate is higher than we think, just that for such a low fatality rate, I know people who have been affected. All of them were older than 60 so far (but I have a classmate in ICU right now).

One thing that bothers me more than the death rate is the rate of bad outcomes. If you wind up in ICU on a ventilator and are lucky enough to survive, there is a smorgasbord of complications that people are experiencing that some people like me would consider not being ventilated. Permanent kidney failure is the big one. There are COVID survivors who are now looking forward to dialysis for 6 hours every 3 days for the rest of their lives. Organ damage (particularly lung and kidney) is prevalent, as are other complications that we do not see in people who have recovered from things like the flu. There are also what appears to be neurological aftereffects as well.

If I were to get this virus and then wind up having to go on morphine just to combat the pain in my lungs from coughing, and my O2 levels were dropping to the point that a vent and induced coma was medically indicated, I may give serious consideration to refusing the ventilator. The little bit of scholarship coming out on complications after surviving this disease isn’t pretty, and I’ve always been a quality of life guy.


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