Coronavirus COVID-19

[SDHornet]

Granted, Minnesota seems to have kept the older folks from catching it as much, so deaths still down, despite the younger protesters causing an increase in cases the last month.

Protest started in May, not June, almost 2 month ago. Florida, Texas and California all opened up and the lag time for more cases shows. More people are out and about now and now wearing mask and not social distancing. It wasn't just the protest here. Many of the Minnesota protesters wore mask.

Protests here started in early June. This spike we are having here is directly correlating with the blw protests.

[SDHornet]

It's not the riots or protests or whatever you want to call them. It's not even the Republican Governors refusing to deal with reality. It's Trump screwing up in the very beginning by thinking he could use an approach previously known to be ineffective (the travel restriction) instead of gearing up to tamp the early brush fires out like South Korea did. Trump facilitated a circumstance allowing things to get out of control. Didn't have to be this way.

Yeah, CA had this thing under control until the protests and riots happened in early June, but yeah, Trumps fault.

[SDHornet]

My sister just dragged me to Walmart and 20% of people weren't wearing masks, and I can't blame the workers getting paid sh*t for not challenging customers. It was packed too.

Anyways, I noped outta there quick and told her I'll gladly wait in the car.

Losing hope with this country.

People not wearing masks in walmart happened since day 1 of this Chinese virus. Where the fuck have you been?

[SDHornet]

I'm supposed to visit Cuba in December (Holguin and Havana), but I'm pretty sure it's going to be cancelled at this rate.

Also had plans for Oktoberfest, but Oktoberfest was cancelled and obviously Americans can't travel to Germany right now.

Why just visit?

Its obviously a utopia... why not stay?


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Because CHAZ was shutdown.

[Baldy]

So you’re gonna just hide in your condo until there’s 100% compliance?

58% mask wearing in Spokane County according to the SRHD. Stories everywhere of family get togethers resulting in multiple hospitalizations/deaths. Social media pics of hugs and shoulder to shoulder selfies.

We so deserve what’s happened and what’s potentially coming down the pike.

klam, you always say we need to be more like the Nordics, right?

[AZGrizFan]

Protest started in May, not June, almost 2 month ago. Florida, Texas and California all opened up and the lag time for more cases shows. More people are out and about now and now wearing mask and not social distancing. It wasn't just the protest here. Many of the Minnesota protesters wore mask.

Protests here started in early June. This spike we are having here is directly correlating with the blw protests.

Same in texas.

[UNI88]

Protests here started in early June. This spike we are having here is directly correlating with the blw protests.

Same in texas.

So you're both saying the riots are the only major cause of the increasing #s?

[kalm]

58% mask wearing in Spokane County according to the SRHD. Stories everywhere of family get togethers resulting in multiple hospitalizations/deaths. Social media pics of hugs and shoulder to shoulder selfies.

We so deserve what’s happened and what’s potentially coming down the pike.

klam, you always say we need to be more like the Nordics, right?

Ya got me here.

Apparently, it’s cultural.

https://sciencenorway.no/cultural-histo ... ns/1689385

[Gil Dobie]

Same in texas.

So you're both saying the riots are the only major cause of the increasing #s?

Right out of the Trump playbook. They can go to the Trump playbook for medical treatment, I'll go to my Dr.

[SeattleGriz]

Nice little article explaining why the increase in positives. Simply put, the medical community gets more money.

https://edachorn.com/2020/07/17/explodi ... d-19-myth/

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) just released data showing that deaths from COVID-19 have declined for the 12th straight week

My go-to expert on these matters is Dr. Andrew Bostom, an associate professor of family medicine (research) at the Warren Alpert Medical School of Brown University and a trained clinician, epidemiologist, and clinical trialist.

Dr. Bostom notes that states and hospitals are going back for months and finding old deaths they now attribute to COVID-19. (The federal government has incentivized them financially to count as many deaths as possible as COVID-19-related.) But rather than assign the deaths to when they occurred, they are being added as they are reported — making it appear there is a new spike in deaths!

[kalm]

For those who cry “fear porn” and are citing the lower death rates...this is exactly what the data analytics have been suggesting all along. There is some positive news on the treatment side with a protein based injection showing promise but this thing is more than likely not getting better anytime soon. As always, I hope to be wrong and I’m just pissed at the loss of football and threats to small businesses that could have been avoided if we hadn’t fucked it up.

There is no mystery in the number of Americans dying from COVID-19.

Despite political leaders trivializing the pandemic, deaths are rising again: The seven-day average for deaths per day has now jumped by more than 200 since July 6, according to data compiled by the COVID Tracking Project at The Atlantic. By our count, states reported 855 deaths today, in line with the recent elevated numbers in mid-July.


The deaths are not happening in unpredictable places. Rather, people are dying at higher rates where there are lots of COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations: in Florida, Arizona, Texas, and California, as well as a host of smaller southern states that all rushed to open up.

The deaths are also not happening in an unpredictable amount of time after the new outbreaks emerged. Simply look at the curves yourself. Cases began to rise on June 16; a week later, hospitalizations began to rise. Two weeks after that—21 days after cases rose—states began to report more deaths. That’s the exact number of days that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has estimated from the onset of symptoms to the reporting of a death

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... e=facebook

[Gil Dobie]

Minnesota's new cases are as expected, by population density. Metro is higher and north is lower. Not sure how you can base riots on the rise. Our local casino requires mask and temp checks, no new cases reported since it opened June 1st. Far more people enter the casino each week than participated in the riots. Local casino is in the green zone, so the population is there.

[Ivytalk]

Sounds like you need a home in the International Falls area, Gil.

[Ibanez]

So WTF is going on in Georgia? Gov. Kemp is suing Atlanta for its mask mandate (Democratic run) but it isn't suing Athens for theirs (also Democratic run).

Baldy - what's going on down there?

[Gil Dobie]

Sounds like you need a home in the International Falls area, Gil.

I used to live at the same latitude. One degree north of there, Manitoba has 11 active cases, with few gringo's allowed to cross the border.

[AZGrizFan]

Minnesota's new cases are as expected, by population density. Metro is higher and north is lower. Not sure how you can base riots on the rise. Our local casino requires mask and temp checks, no new cases reported since it opened June 1st. Far more people enter the casino each week than participated in the riots. Local casino is in the green zone, so the population is there.

Surely you can't be serious with that question. Virtually EVERY zone starts going up 2-3 weeks after the riots started, after six straight weeks of a downward trend during reopeing....

[AZGrizFan]

For those who cry “fear porn” and are citing the lower death rates...this is exactly what the data analytics have been suggesting all along. There is some positive news on the treatment side with a protein based injection showing promise but this thing is more than likely not getting better anytime soon. As always, I hope to be wrong and I’m just pissed at the loss of football and threats to small businesses that could have been avoided if we hadn’t fucked it up.

There is no mystery in the number of Americans dying from COVID-19.

Despite political leaders trivializing the pandemic, deaths are rising again: The seven-day average for deaths per day has now jumped by more than 200 since July 6, according to data compiled by the COVID Tracking Project at The Atlantic. By our count, states reported 855 deaths today, in line with the recent elevated numbers in mid-July.


The deaths are not happening in unpredictable places. Rather, people are dying at higher rates where there are lots of COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations: in Florida, Arizona, Texas, and California, as well as a host of smaller southern states that all rushed to open up.

The deaths are also not happening in an unpredictable amount of time after the new outbreaks emerged. Simply look at the curves yourself. Cases began to rise on June 16; a week later, hospitalizations began to rise. Two weeks after that—21 days after cases rose—states began to report more deaths. That’s the exact number of days that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has estimated from the onset of symptoms to the reporting of a death

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... e=facebook

Klam, nobody is arguing that the NUMBER of deaths aren't higher....but until we get a clear picture of who's dying FROM COVID and who's dying WITH COVID, we'll never know the true picture...and because these stats are being mixed, it makes it appear way, way worse than it is.

And I'm sorry, but attempting to tie this to "opening up" with nary a mention of the country-wide RIOTS that occurred that caused the curves to turn north after six consecutive weeks of decline (DURING THE OPENING UP PERIOD) is absolutely disingenuous and makes the author lose any shred of credibility they might have had in this matter.

I mean, look at that paragraph I highlighted and tell me that doesn't just SCREAM "Riots CAUSED THIS!!!"

[SeattleGriz]

So WTF is going on in Georgia? Gov. Kemp is suing Atlanta for its mask mandate (Democratic run) but it isn't suing Athens for theirs (also Democratic run).

Baldy - what's going on down there?

I'm not Baldy, but I would bet a good portion is the medical community attributing anything they can to COVID.

An similar example. The U of Washington got busted about 10 years ago for upcoding diagnosis codes. They said they performed a more expensive procedure than they really did'nt. They bilked Medicare for $50 million.

Big money in upcoding, and that's what has been incentivized with higher payouts for a COVID diagnosis.

[UNI88]

Minnesota's new cases are as expected, by population density. Metro is higher and north is lower. Not sure how you can base riots on the rise. Our local casino requires mask and temp checks, no new cases reported since it opened June 1st. Far more people enter the casino each week than participated in the riots. Local casino is in the green zone, so the population is there.

Surely you can't be serious with that question. Virtually EVERY zone starts going up 2-3 weeks after the riots started, after six straight weeks of a downward trend during reopeing....

Correlation vs. causation. There is a correlation between the protests/riots and the increase but you have yet to prove that they were the one main cause.

Rates in the North, Central and South went up. Were there large-scale protests in those locations? Or are you going to argue that locals went to MSP for the protests/riots and brought the Rona home with them and that more people not wearing masks & physical distancing did not contribute in a major way?

[Gil Dobie]

Minnesota's new cases are as expected, by population density. Metro is higher and north is lower. Not sure how you can base riots on the rise. Our local casino requires mask and temp checks, no new cases reported since it opened June 1st. Far more people enter the casino each week than participated in the riots. Local casino is in the green zone, so the population is there.

Surely you can't be serious with that question. Virtually EVERY zone starts going up 2-3 weeks after the riots started, after six straight weeks of a downward trend during reopeing....

It coincides with opening the state up. Sure there are some that happened because of the riots, but the cases rising across the state does not correlate, with the riots only happening in a few metro area's. The riots were basically done on May 29th, there were peaceful protest after that.
Metro cases started to rise 4 weeks later. Why are the suburbs, Central and North also rising at a similar time after the state opens up. Look at the south, they have been consistent due to the meat packing plants.

[SeattleGriz]

Did they perform temperature checks and require masks at the riots?

Just wondering.

[Ibanez]

So WTF is going on in Georgia? Gov. Kemp is suing Atlanta for its mask mandate (Democratic run) but it isn't suing Athens for theirs (also Democratic run).

Baldy - what's going on down there?

I'm not Baldy, but I would bet a good portion is the medical community attributing anything they can to COVID.

An similar example. The U of Washington got busted about 10 years ago for upcoding diagnosis codes. They said they performed a more expensive procedure than they really did'nt. They bilked Medicare for $50 million.

Big money in upcoding, and that's what has been incentivized with higher payouts for a COVID diagnosis.

What has that to do with suing a mayor for issuing a public health mandate?

[CID1990]

And now for a balancer to the SFChronicle article:


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... researcher

Already in human trials.

[Gil Dobie]

Did they perform temperature checks and require masks at the riots?

Just wondering.

From a sample of 3300 protesters, which is a good size number. Lower positive rate than the rest of the population.

Link

Early data from coronavirus tests of Minnesotans who participated in demonstrations after the death of George Floyd suggest the mass gatherings may not result in a spike in COVID-19 infections.

More than 3,300 people who participated in protests and community events after Floyd’s death were tested for the coronavirus this week at four community testing sites. Floyd died on Memorial Day after Derek Chauvin, at the time a Minneapolis police officer, knelt on his neck for nearly nine minutes.

Results from about 40 percent of the coronavirus tests done in St. Paul and Minneapolis this week show 1.4 percent of participants who were tested had contracted COVID-19. Health officials are awaiting the rest of the test results and are encouraging anyone who participated in mass gatherings to get tested — regardless of symptoms.

The 1.4 percent positivity rate is lower than the 3.7 positivity rate of the more than 13,000 test results reported Friday. It is lower than the current seven-day average rate of positive tests, which is also 3.7 percent.

[SeattleGriz]

I'm not Baldy, but I would bet a good portion is the medical community attributing anything they can to COVID.

An similar example. The U of Washington got busted about 10 years ago for upcoding diagnosis codes. They said they performed a more expensive procedure than they really did'nt. They bilked Medicare for $50 million.

Big money in upcoding, and that's what has been incentivized with higher payouts for a COVID diagnosis.

What has that to do with suing a mayor for issuing a public health mandate?

My bad. Thought you were asking about cases in Georgia.

But it's still good information on how hospitals are incentivized to upcode to COVID.