Coronavirus COVID-19

[Gil Dobie]

An acquaintance at Mayo says they are doing something similar. Billing for treatment for COVID when treating for something else (Ex: Broken leg) after receiving a positive COVID test.

Yes. You put COVID as the primary and you make more money.

Is it as much profit as other units in the hospital, with all the PPE and overtime we hear about?

[SeattleGriz]

Yes. You put COVID as the primary and you make more money.

Is it as much profit as other units in the hospital, with all the PPE and overtime we hear about?

No idea. But it can be figured out.

But the point is that if you code for COVID, it opens up a whole slew of options for a hospital to make more money. Testing that will now get reimbursed instead of declined.

Not crazy, but you can bet a hospital will run every test they can, in which a COVID diagnosis code will get reimbursed.

Leave no stone unturned.

[Gil Dobie]

Is it as much profit as other units in the hospital, with all the PPE and overtime we hear about?

No idea. But it can be figured out.

But the point is that if you code for COVID, it opens up a whole slew of options for a hospital to make more money. Testing that will now get reimbursed instead of declined.

Not crazy, but you can bet a hospital will run every test they can, in which a COVID diagnosis code will get reimbursed.

Leave no stone unturned.

Thanks, that's a good perspective.

[kalm]

For those who cry “fear porn” and are citing the lower death rates...this is exactly what the data analytics have been suggesting all along. There is some positive news on the treatment side with a protein based injection showing promise but this thing is more than likely not getting better anytime soon. As always, I hope to be wrong and I’m just pissed at the loss of football and threats to small businesses that could have been avoided if we hadn’t fucked it up.




https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... e=facebook

Klam, nobody is arguing that the NUMBER of deaths aren't higher....but until we get a clear picture of who's dying FROM COVID and who's dying WITH COVID, we'll never know the true picture...and because these stats are being mixed, it makes it appear way, way worse than it is.

And I'm sorry, but attempting to tie this to "opening up" with nary a mention of the country-wide RIOTS that occurred that caused the curves to turn north after six consecutive weeks of decline (DURING THE OPENING UP PERIOD) is absolutely disingenuous and makes the author lose any shred of credibility they might have had in this matter.

I mean, look at that paragraph I highlighted and tell me that doesn't just SCREAM "Riots CAUSED THIS!!!"

1). I never agreed with riots.

2). Blaming it all on the riots is obvious politicization.

3). There were other things going on around that time tgat also contributed. I had numerous friends posting pics of graduation parties and Memorial Day gatherings.

4). Read the whole article. There’s really not much to argue with in it.

[AZGrizFan]

Klam, nobody is arguing that the NUMBER of deaths aren't higher....but until we get a clear picture of who's dying FROM COVID and who's dying WITH COVID, we'll never know the true picture...and because these stats are being mixed, it makes it appear way, way worse than it is.

And I'm sorry, but attempting to tie this to "opening up" with nary a mention of the country-wide RIOTS that occurred that caused the curves to turn north after six consecutive weeks of decline (DURING THE OPENING UP PERIOD) is absolutely disingenuous and makes the author lose any shred of credibility they might have had in this matter.

I mean, look at that paragraph I highlighted and tell me that doesn't just SCREAM "Riots CAUSED THIS!!!"

1). I never agreed with riots.

2). Blaming it all on the riots is obvious politicization.

3). There were other things going on around that time tgat also contributed. I had numerous friends posting pics of graduation parties and Memorial Day gatherings.

4). Read the whole article. There’s really not much to argue with in it.

Did those Memorial Day gatherings include thousands of people jostling each other for hours and hours?

It's not "politicization"....it's common sense. DENYING it is the politicization....

[AZGrizFan]

Yes. You put COVID as the primary and you make more money.

Is it as much profit as other units in the hospital, with all the PPE and overtime we hear about?

100% payout from insurance companies. No pre-arranged discount.

[kalm]

1). I never agreed with riots.

2). Blaming it all on the riots is obvious politicization.

3). There were other things going on around that time tgat also contributed. I had numerous friends posting pics of graduation parties and Memorial Day gatherings.

4). Read the whole article. There’s really not much to argue with in it.

Did those Memorial Day gatherings include thousands of people jostling each other for hours and hours?

It's not "politicization"....it's common sense. DENYING it is the politicization....

Do you think there were more people at the riots without masks and hugging than family gatherings nation wide?

I just read the article again (you should try it). The how doesn’t really matter anyway. It’s what we do going forward and unfortunately we’re going to keep on trucking and cause further economic destruction and deaths than we needed to.

[UNI88]

1). I never agreed with riots.

2). Blaming it all on the riots is obvious politicization.

3). There were other things going on around that time tgat also contributed. I had numerous friends posting pics of graduation parties and Memorial Day gatherings.

4). Read the whole article. There’s really not much to argue with in it.

Did those Memorial Day gatherings include thousands of people jostling each other for hours and hours?

It's not "politicization"....it's common sense. DENYING it is the politicization....

In total, yes, there were thousands of people gathering over Memorial Day.

Both contributed to the resurgence. Blaming it all (or mostly) on the protests/riots is also politicization. Both sides are seeing what they want to see.

[kalm]

Did those Memorial Day gatherings include thousands of people jostling each other for hours and hours?

It's not "politicization"....it's common sense. DENYING it is the politicization....

In total, yes, there were thousands of people gathering over Memorial Day.

Both contributed to the resurgence. Blaming it all (or mostly) on the protests/riots is also politicization. Both sides are seeing what they want to see.

Well I guess I’m not on a side then because I blame both.

We’re watching a train wreck of a country right now.

[Gil Dobie]

In total, yes, there were thousands of people gathering over Memorial Day.

Both contributed to the resurgence. Blaming it all (or mostly) on the protests/riots is also politicization. Both sides are seeing what they want to see.

Well I guess I’m not on a side then because I blame both.

We’re watching a train wreck of a country right now.

Are other states testing protesters like Minnesota. Still some positives, but less than regular population.

[UNI88]

In total, yes, there were thousands of people gathering over Memorial Day.

Both contributed to the resurgence. Blaming it all (or mostly) on the protests/riots is also politicization. Both sides are seeing what they want to see.

Well I guess I’m not on a side then because I blame both.

We’re watching a train wreck of a country right now.

In this instance you might actually be post-partisan -

[BDKJMU]

Surely you can't be serious with that question. Virtually EVERY zone starts going up 2-3 weeks after the riots started, after six straight weeks of a downward trend during reopeing....

It coincides with opening the state up. Sure there are some that happened because of the riots, but the cases rising across the state does not correlate, with the riots only happening in a few metro area's. The riots were basically done on May 29th, there were peaceful protest after that.
Metro cases started to rise 4 weeks later. Why are the suburbs, Central and North also rising at a similar time after the state opens up. Look at the south, they have been consistent due to the meat packing plants.

Even 'peaceful' protests has lots of people not physical distancing, shouting, singing, chanting..

[AZGrizFan]

Did those Memorial Day gatherings include thousands of people jostling each other for hours and hours?

It's not "politicization"....it's common sense. DENYING it is the politicization....

Do you think there were more people at the riots without masks and hugging than family gatherings nation wide?

I just read the article again (you should try it). The how doesn’t really matter anyway. It’s what we do going forward and unfortunately we’re going to keep on trucking and cause further economic destruction and deaths than we needed to.

Then why aren't we seeing spikes nationwide? Did only certain areas celebrate Memorial Day?

And I disagree vehemently. The "how" is incredibly important. Because we had six consecutive weeks of declining cases AND deaths prior to the riots/protests. I think it's vitally important to know whether the riots/protests or the reopening caused the renewed spikes...

[Gil Dobie]

It coincides with opening the state up. Sure there are some that happened because of the riots, but the cases rising across the state does not correlate, with the riots only happening in a few metro area's. The riots were basically done on May 29th, there were peaceful protest after that.
Metro cases started to rise 4 weeks later. Why are the suburbs, Central and North also rising at a similar time after the state opens up. Look at the south, they have been consistent due to the meat packing plants.

Even 'peaceful' protests has lots of people not physical distancing, shouting, singing, chanting..

Testing shows that Minnesota test 3300 protesters and 1.5% had covid, and the general population tested at 3.7% positive for covid.

[kalm]

Do you think there were more people at the riots without masks and hugging than family gatherings nation wide?

I just read the article again (you should try it). The how doesn’t really matter anyway. It’s what we do going forward and unfortunately we’re going to keep on trucking and cause further economic destruction and deaths than we needed to.

Then why aren't we seeing spikes nationwide? Did only certain areas celebrate Memorial Day?

And I disagree vehemently. The "how" is incredibly important. Because we had six consecutive weeks of declining cases AND deaths prior to the riots/protests. I think it's vitally important to know whether the riots/protests or the reopening caused the renewed spikes...

You’re still trying to blame it all on the protests.

1). Wear a mask when in close contact around others. This includes not dining in.

2). Don’t spend more than 5 minutes indoors with others (outside your household) even with a mask.

3). Wash you hands.

[Winterborn]

Is it as much profit as other units in the hospital, with all the PPE and overtime we hear about?

No idea. But it can be figured out.

But the point is that if you code for COVID, it opens up a whole slew of options for a hospital to make more money. Testing that will now get reimbursed instead of declined.

Not crazy, but you can bet a hospital will run every test they can, in which a COVID diagnosis code will get reimbursed.

Leave no stone unturned.

Or wallet not pilfered.

[Winterborn]

In total, yes, there were thousands of people gathering over Memorial Day.

Both contributed to the resurgence. Blaming it all (or mostly) on the protests/riots is also politicization. Both sides are seeing what they want to see.

Well I guess I’m not on a side then because I blame both.

We’re watching a train wreck of a country right now.

If you had low expectations to start with, this all doesn't really seem to be too bad.

[SeattleGriz]

Well I guess I’m not on a side then because I blame both.

We’re watching a train wreck of a country right now.

If you had low expectations to start with, this all doesn't really seem to be too bad.

No shit! There's a reason why no one really wants the government running anything for the most part.

They have no competition, and thus no one to compete against or lose business to. They are suboptimized in many different ways.

[AZGrizFan]

Then why aren't we seeing spikes nationwide? Did only certain areas celebrate Memorial Day?

And I disagree vehemently. The "how" is incredibly important. Because we had six consecutive weeks of declining cases AND deaths prior to the riots/protests. I think it's vitally important to know whether the riots/protests or the reopening caused the renewed spikes...

You’re still trying to blame it all on the protests.

1). Wear a mask when in close contact around others. This includes not dining in.

2). Don’t spend more than 5 minutes indoors with others (outside your household) even with a mask.

3). Wash you hands.

Answer my question: Why aren’t we seeing spikes all over the country if it was due to Holiday gatherings?

[Ivytalk]

You’re still trying to blame it all on the protests.

1). Wear a mask when in close contact around others. This includes not dining in.

2). Don’t spend more than 5 minutes indoors with others (outside your household) even with a mask.

3). Wash you hands.

Answer my question: Why aren’t we seeing spikes all over the country if it was due to Holiday gatherings?

Because it doesn’t fit Klam’s narrative.

[AshevilleApp]

You’re still trying to blame it all on the protests.

1). Wear a mask when in close contact around others. This includes not dining in.

2). Don’t spend more than 5 minutes indoors with others (outside your household) even with a mask.

3). Wash you hands.

Answer my question: Why aren’t we seeing spikes all over the country if it was due to Holiday gatherings?

Did Utah have a lot of protests? Oklahoma? South Carolina? Kansas? (Maybe so, I really don't know.) But I saw an article a few days back (dated from late June I believe) indicating that 40 states had seen spikes in Covid. Maybe a combination of reopening, a long holiday weekend, protests and assholeity in the general population? Should be interesting to watch South Carolina's numbers in a couple of weeks, since Bike Week at Myrtle Beach is currently happening.

[AZGrizFan]

Answer my question: Why aren’t we seeing spikes all over the country if it was due to Holiday gatherings?

Did Utah have a lot of protests? Oklahoma? South Carolina? Kansas? (Maybe so, I really don't know.) But I saw an article a few days back (dated from late June I believe) indicating that 40 states had seen spikes in Covid. Maybe a combination of reopening, a long holiday weekend, protests and assholeity in the general population? Should be interesting to watch South Carolina's numbers in a couple of weeks, since Bike Week at Myrtle Beach is currently happening.

Maybe a combination of more testing, more testing, and more testing? Because most of those states experiencing “spikes” in cases haven’t seen a corresponding spike in deaths....

[AZGrizFan]

Lol. You want to see something really funny? Go to worldometers and look at China’s data....

[SeattleGriz]

Did Utah have a lot of protests? Oklahoma? South Carolina? Kansas? (Maybe so, I really don't know.) But I saw an article a few days back (dated from late June I believe) indicating that 40 states had seen spikes in Covid. Maybe a combination of reopening, a long holiday weekend, protests and assholeity in the general population? Should be interesting to watch South Carolina's numbers in a couple of weeks, since Bike Week at Myrtle Beach is currently happening.

Maybe a combination of more testing, more testing, and more testing? Because most of those states experiencing “spikes” in cases haven’t seen a corresponding spike in deaths....

I'm shocked that the subject of more testing was brought up WAY back when we didn't have much and we were all told not to freak when more testing became available. Well, looks like everyone plus the media forgot what we were told what NOT to do.

No dig at you App.

[BDKJMU]

Answer my question: Why aren’t we seeing spikes all over the country if it was due to Holiday gatherings?

Did Utah have a lot of protests? Oklahoma? South Carolina? Kansas? (Maybe so, I really don't know.) But I saw an article a few days back (dated from late June I believe) indicating that 40 states had seen spikes in Covid. Maybe a combination of reopening, a long holiday weekend, protests and assholeity in the general population? Should be interesting to watch South Carolina's numbers in a couple of weeks, since Bike Week at Myrtle Beach is currently happening.

Salt Lake City did. Provo did. Tulsa did. Oklahoma City did. Charleston did. Columbia did. Kansas City did. Most states had BLM protests (and a lot had riots). The protests were in several hundred cities..