Poll: Obama mishandled comments on race

[clenz]

What do I have to fall back on if everything crashes around me? I have nothing if that happens. Wait...I will have over $60,000 in student loans to pay back if everything collapses on me, I'm sure that the loan companies will give me a break because I'm white. I busted my ass for my grades too, and for everything I've ever gotten. I have never once been handed anything in my life other than my parents giving me 20 bucks for gas when I drive home.


Sara busts her ass for that 4.0 GPA...she hasn't had a break from reading texts books non-stop, writting papers, etc... since she graduated from her undergrad. She is more deserving than the lady that got the assitantship, but **** like that happens. Why should she get that instead of a black person who doesn't have the same GPA, hasn't been published in a national counseling magazine (Sara has), hasn't been accepted to a program early based on performance, etc...

Why shouldn't I be angry when I had better grades, more extra-curriculars, etc... than a guy going into college and he gets a full ride just because he is black and I get nothing?


Cap'n, I know I need more life experiences, and I know not everything will go the way I want/think it should. I'm not going to mope and blame the system or the man for the minorities for getting them based on the color of their skin...I can live with that. It just makes me bust my ass more to prove I did deserve something.


I hate it when minorities pull the I'll never get a head because whitey is trying to keep me down ****.


I know not all minorities meet the stereotypes, to pull a line from Chris Rock "Niggers are **** it up for the black people in America"

Reread the Chris Rock quote: I finally got it now! I need to go on youtube to relieve some of the racism stress.

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A little different context, but same principle.

[clenz]

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[Cap'n Cat]

I wish it was that simple.

It is that simple, the majority of white people voted Hussein Obama into office.

Hardly racist

(97% of your 13% voted for Hussein Obama)

Very racist

Azzhole Post of the Day.

[clenz]

It is that simple, the majority of white people voted Hussein Obama into office.

Hardly racist

(97% of your 13% voted for Hussein Obama)

Very racist

Azzhole Post of the Day.

[Wedgebuster]

What's your ed backgorund. Degree from WKU?

I will try to make it as short as possible.

When I started WKU I was a Math major, but it required a minor and had no idea at the time. About 1 1/2 years into it I dropped Math as a major because I didn't want to do equations for the rest of my life. I decided to finish out my stay at WKU with a Geography major with a minor in Econ. I graduated with a BS in Geography in 2001!

When graduating from college I had to get a job right away so that I can pay back student loans. So being from Kentucky wasn't exactly the most profitable state to find a job in the field. I settled on a call center job in Clarksville, TN. Several years after that job I worked for H&R Block for two seasons and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I just hated the fact that it was temporary.

Numbers has been a huge passion of mine for years and Statistics or Accouning would have been awesome for me. I took as many statistics classes as possible as electives. I wish WKU had a statistics major, I would have jumped on that full steam ahead. They had accounting at WKU but I had to jump through too many hoops to get there. I didn't want to feel like a circus dog, so I decided to pass on the Accounting.

I was so frustrated that I just ate the pain away and hence the terrible state that I'm in today. 84 lbs lost so far proves that I still have some life in these 31 year old bones. So that's my story. Ball is in your court now.

Hounder, what ever it you are doing now, start up a tax preparation service on the side. All you have to do is get boned up on the current personal tax laws, keep updated every year, and you can build a hell of a nice business all your own that grows every year.

I know a guy doing this very thing, and he is not an Accountant. Just a tax prep guy. Only works from mid December to mid April and makes more money than most people with full time jobs these days.

Sounds like something you might enjoy.

[clenz]

I will try to make it as short as possible.

When I started WKU I was a Math major, but it required a minor and had no idea at the time. About 1 1/2 years into it I dropped Math as a major because I didn't want to do equations for the rest of my life. I decided to finish out my stay at WKU with a Geography major with a minor in Econ. I graduated with a BS in Geography in 2001!

When graduating from college I had to get a job right away so that I can pay back student loans. So being from Kentucky wasn't exactly the most profitable state to find a job in the field. I settled on a call center job in Clarksville, TN. Several years after that job I worked for H&R Block for two seasons and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I just hated the fact that it was temporary.

Numbers has been a huge passion of mine for years and Statistics or Accouning would have been awesome for me. I took as many statistics classes as possible as electives. I wish WKU had a statistics major, I would have jumped on that full steam ahead. They had accounting at WKU but I had to jump through too many hoops to get there. I didn't want to feel like a circus dog, so I decided to pass on the Accounting.

I was so frustrated that I just ate the pain away and hence the terrible state that I'm in today. 84 lbs lost so far proves that I still have some life in these 31 year old bones. So that's my story. Ball is in your court now.

Hounder, what ever it you are doing now, start up a tax preparation service on the side. All you have to do is get boned up on the current personal tax laws, keep updated every year, and you can build a hell of a nice business all your own that grows every year.

I know a guy doing this very thing, and he is not an Accountant. Just a tax prep guy. Only works from mid December to mid April and makes more money than most people with full time jobs these days.

Sounds like something you might enjoy.

Thebetterhalf's dad is the CFO for the company he works for, but has his own tax company on the side...I think he does very well with that tax company.

[Pwns]

The problem is that you have a positive feedback loop with negative racial attitudes. You have incidents like the OJ trial (whether or not you think he was guilty, the fact is the race issue was allowed to take over whereas they should have stuck with the evidence), the Duke Lacrosse case, and all the successful lawsuits that proved that affirmative action programs have resulted in lesser qualified minorities being admitted into education programs over more qualified whites. These things result in less sympathy by whites for problems that are legitimate and not imagined by victim mentality. When there's less sympathy for black people, black people get their feelings hurt (as anyone would in that situation) and are less likely to recognize a good bit of the blame for black social problems are not the fault of racism or whites. This leads to more incidents like ones aforementioned. Repeat process.

I've got to hand it to Obama for this one. Obama acted stupidly by injecting the race issue into something that was supposed to be about healthcare, but I think he has done as well as you can do to keep this whole incident from being part of this vicious cycle.

Do you really want to say that about less qualified minorities? That statement in bold interpreted by me. All whites are more qualified to be in college than any other minority.

Take a gander at MY high school resume.
1) Ranked in the Top 20 in the my high school graduating class. Class size 119.
2) The only Black male to be accepted into the National Honor Society in 1996.
3) In 1995, I was invited to a conference of The Distinguished African-American High School Seniors of Kentucky. I was the one of only 10 students to be invited that came from a predominately white high school.
4) Had a cumulative GPA of 3.25
5) Scored a 21 on the ACT. A 27 on the math portion. A weak score on the English part brought it down.
6) I was a member of group of economically disadvantaged high school students called Educational Talent Search. Among the 8 high schools in the region that I was from. I one of the 30 student chosen to go to Washington DC to visit Howard University as a reward for high academic success. Unfortunately, I couldn't go because on the previous day it snowed 13 inches at my house! I took it like an 18 yo man and graduated with high honors.
7) Not one but 5 universities highly wanted me to atend (WKU, Mercer, Murray State, Truman State, and Austin Peay).

If this is not a resume of a guy that doesn't deserve a college scholarship then you are the biggest **** that ever lived and needs to be an honorary member of the KKK!




P.S. To say that I took offense to your statement would qualify as the understatement of the year.

Peace out.

New rule: Tired old whites using statements in bold deserve to die a slow painful death.

End of rant. I promise.

If that statement in bold is how you interpret what I said, then with all due respect, you have severe reading comprehension problems. I never said that any black person who gets into college got into college over a qualified white person. Or for that matter, that even a majority of black college students took the place of a more qualified white applicant. The fact is that there have been lawsuits in which affirmative was shown to have created discrimination against whites in favor of minorities. And even if discrimination against whites brought on by AA is overblown, it still inflames white people's attitude about race and contributes to the whole cycle of racial resentment.

[Cap'n Cat]

Hounder, what ever it you are doing now, start up a tax preparation service on the side. All you have to do is get boned up on the current personal tax laws, keep updated every year, and you can build a hell of a nice business all your own that grows every year.

I know a guy doing this very thing, and he is not an Accountant. Just a tax prep guy. Only works from mid December to mid April and makes more money than most people with full time jobs these days.

Sounds like something you might enjoy.

Good idea, Wedgeling!

[wkuhillhound]

Do you really want to say that about less qualified minorities? That statement in bold interpreted by me. All whites are more qualified to be in college than any other minority.

Take a gander at MY high school resume.
1) Ranked in the Top 20 in the my high school graduating class. Class size 119.
2) The only Black male to be accepted into the National Honor Society in 1996.
3) In 1995, I was invited to a conference of The Distinguished African-American High School Seniors of Kentucky. I was the one of only 10 students to be invited that came from a predominately white high school.
4) Had a cumulative GPA of 3.25
5) Scored a 21 on the ACT. A 27 on the math portion. A weak score on the English part brought it down.
6) I was a member of group of economically disadvantaged high school students called Educational Talent Search. Among the 8 high schools in the region that I was from. I one of the 30 student chosen to go to Washington DC to visit Howard University as a reward for high academic success. Unfortunately, I couldn't go because on the previous day it snowed 13 inches at my house! I took it like an 18 yo man and graduated with high honors.
7) Not one but 5 universities highly wanted me to atend (WKU, Mercer, Murray State, Truman State, and Austin Peay).

If this is not a resume of a guy that doesn't deserve a college scholarship then you are the biggest **** that ever lived and needs to be an honorary member of the KKK!




P.S. To say that I took offense to your statement would qualify as the understatement of the year.

Peace out.

New rule: Tired old whites using statements in bold deserve to die a slow painful death.

End of rant. I promise.

If that statement in bold is how you interpret what I said, then with all due respect, you have severe reading comprehension problems. I never said that any black person who gets into college got into college over a qualified white person. Or for that matter, that even a majority of black college students took the place of a more qualified white applicant. The fact is that there have been lawsuits in which affirmative was shown to have created discrimination against whites in favor of minorities. And even if discrimination against whites brought on by AA is overblown, it still inflames white people's attitude about race and contributes to the whole cycle of racial resentment.

Too tired to respond. Relieving stress. I try not to get to these, but fell for the trap today.

[CID1990]

He just briefly forgot that he was President and not a community organizer.

[wideright82]

double post

[wideright82]

Do you really want to say that about less qualified minorities? That statement in bold interpreted by me. All whites are more qualified to be in college than any other minority.

Take a gander at MY high school resume.
1) Ranked in the Top 20 in the my high school graduating class. Class size 119.
2) The only Black male to be accepted into the National Honor Society in 1996.
3) In 1995, I was invited to a conference of The Distinguished African-American High School Seniors of Kentucky. I was the one of only 10 students to be invited that came from a predominately white high school.
4) Had a cumulative GPA of 3.25
5) Scored a 21 on the ACT. A 27 on the math portion. A weak score on the English part brought it down.
6) I was a member of group of economically disadvantaged high school students called Educational Talent Search. Among the 8 high schools in the region that I was from. I one of the 30 student chosen to go to Washington DC to visit Howard University as a reward for high academic success. Unfortunately, I couldn't go because on the previous day it snowed 13 inches at my house! I took it like an 18 yo man and graduated with high honors.
7) Not one but 5 universities highly wanted me to atend (WKU, Mercer, Murray State, Truman State, and Austin Peay).

If this is not a resume of a guy that doesn't deserve a college scholarship then you are the biggest FUCKTARD that ever lived and needs to be an honorary member of the KKK!




P.S. To say that I took offense to your statement would qualify as the understatement of the year.

Peace out.

New rule: Tired old whites using statements in bold deserve to die a slow painful death.

End of rant. I promise.

38 out of 240
3.8.... 4.3 weighted
1360
24
3 4's on Calc Econ and Stats AP tests
Varsity Football 2 years - All conference 2- years
Varsity Tennis 4 years - Captain 2 years
Varsity Soccer 2 years
Varsity Winter Track 2 years
Math Honors society
Spanish Honors Society
Band (hey it looks good)
Gaelic Society
Math Tutor
Volunteer at a soup kitchen
yada yada yada.....


Guess I'm a member of the KKK because you don't deserve SHIT! Only a feeling of greater self worth would lead someone to think they deserve something. You deserve nothing, you get what you get. I didn't get a fucking scholarship anywhere and was a Division 1 caliber kicker. Its how the chips fall. You are a perfect example of black person who just wishes it was all because he is black




Yeah your post made ME pissed.






Rant DONE!

[Cleets Part 2]

It is that simple, the majority of white people voted Hussein Obama into office.

Hardly racist

(97% of your 13% voted for Hussein Obama)

Very racist

Um...
The exact same percentage of black people that voted for Bill Clinton also voted for Barrack Obama
So turn off the Rush Limbaugh that you pretend you don't listen to...

[CID1990]

It is that simple, the majority of white people voted Hussein Obama into office.

Hardly racist

(97% of your 13% voted for Hussein Obama)

Very racist

Um...
The exact same percentage of black people that voted for Bill Clinton also voted for Barrack Obama
So turn off the Rush Limbaugh that you pretend you don't listen to...

Cleets, I see your logic, and I agree that pointing to percentages is relatively meaningless in this case, but you missed a major point which makes your post immaterial (besides the fact that you also used the same flawed logic as AG). You considered the percentage of the black vote but you did not consider the number of voters. If black voters had turned out in 2004 in numbers approaching anything like they did in 2008, John Kerry would have been President. There were BEAU COUP more black voters at the polls in 2008 than there were in 1992. Your post only indicates that black voters traditionally (in the last 40 years) vote Democrat. You ignored the issue of voter turnout, and that is a major part of the issue that some people consider when they assert that blacks voted along racial lines in 2008. Perhaps the black voters who always come to the polls in every election voted for an idea and not a man's skin color, but something made double the traditional numbers come out to pull the levers in 2008.

Barack Obama might have garnered a similar percentage of the black vote that Bill Clinton did, but something made record numbers of registered black voters show up in 2008 in ways that even Goldwater wasn't able to provoke. Something made those folks come to the polls, and I suspect it was not the belief that John McCain was the Antichrist. Or maybe it was. If I am not permitted to consider the possibility that the presence of a black candidate for President was the reason, then I must resort to other possibilities such as the John McCain: Son of the Devil Who Eats Little Black Babies one. Equally hard to believe would be the theory that suddenly in 2008, millions of registered black voters who never before bothered to come out woke up that morning in November with a newfound sense of civic duty.

I don't know what the national statistics were, but I do know that in North Carolina, 95% of registered black voters turned out to vote. This was contrasted against the fact that 67% of the total registered voters in NC came out. In prior elections, I think the total number of black voters coming out hovered somewhere around 40-45%. This goes all the way back to the 1968 election. The average numbers might in fact be even smaller than this estimate.

Why did black voters suddenly turn out in such large numbers in NC last year? Is it safe to say that NC closely mirrored the rest of the country in terms of voter turnout? Why did they come out and vote?

(To be fair, a historically large number of white voters showed up and voted too... perhaps the new white voters were voting against the black guy? I know a couple of white people who showed up for the first time just so they could vote for a black guy. I guess that's also racist... in a perverted Monty Python kind of way.)

[AZGrizFan]

Dubya never pulled the race card and had it blow up in his face before.

Obama didn't pull the race card, either, Seattle, so WTF you talkin' about? LMAO about "blowing up in his face", too! It was handled masterfully after the mispoken words which had nothing to with race!

Riiiiight. Nothing to do with "race". If a WHITE president had said a BLACK cop had handled things "stupidly", he'd have been crucified. But the black man gets off without a hitch. WAFJ.

[Grizalltheway]

Obama didn't pull the race card, either, Seattle, so WTF you talkin' about? LMAO about "blowing up in his face", too! It was handled masterfully after the mispoken words which had nothing to with race!

Riiiiight. Nothing to do with "race". If a WHITE president had said a BLACK cop had handled things "stupidly", he'd have been crucified. But the black man gets off without a hitch. WAFJ.

Angry conk, lashing out.

[AZGrizFan]

Riiiiight. Nothing to do with "race". If a WHITE president had said a BLACK cop had handled things "stupidly", he'd have been crucified. But the black man gets off without a hitch. WAFJ.

Angry conk, lashing out.

Ignorant donk, lashing out.

[CID1990]

Obama didn't pull the race card, either, Seattle, so WTF you talkin' about? LMAO about "blowing up in his face", too! It was handled masterfully after the mispoken words which had nothing to with race!

Riiiiight. Nothing to do with "race". If a WHITE president had said a BLACK cop had handled things "stupidly", he'd have been crucified. But the black man gets off without a hitch. WAFJ.

Actually, one of the only ways to bash a black guy and get away with it these days is if that black guy is a cop, so not the best comparison.

[Cleets Part 2]

Cleets, I see your logic, and I agree that pointing to percentages is relatively meaningless in this case, but you missed a major point which makes your post immaterial (besides the fact that you also used the same flawed logic as AG). You considered the percentage of the black vote but you did not consider the number of voters. If black voters had turned out in 2004 in numbers approaching anything like they did in 2008, John Kerry would have been President. There were BEAU COUP more black voters at the polls in 2008 than there were in 1992. Your post only indicates that black voters traditionally (in the last 40 years) vote Democrat. You ignored the issue of voter turnout, and that is a major part of the issue that some people consider when they assert that blacks voted along racial lines in 2008. Perhaps the black voters who always come to the polls in every election voted for an idea and not a man's skin color, but something made double the traditional numbers come out to pull the levers in 2008.

Barack Obama might have garnered a similar percentage of the black vote that Bill Clinton did, but something made record numbers of registered black voters show up in 2008 in ways that even Goldwater wasn't able to provoke. Something made those folks come to the polls, and I suspect it was not the belief that John McCain was the Antichrist. Or maybe it was. If I am not permitted to consider the possibility that the presence of a black candidate for President was the reason, then I must resort to other possibilities such as the John McCain: Son of the Devil Who Eats Little Black Babies one. Equally hard to believe would be the theory that suddenly in 2008, millions of registered black voters who never before bothered to come out woke up that morning in November with a newfound sense of civic duty.

I don't know what the national statistics were, but I do know that in North Carolina, 95% of registered black voters turned out to vote. This was contrasted against the fact that 67% of the total registered voters in NC came out. In prior elections, I think the total number of black voters coming out hovered somewhere around 40-45%. This goes all the way back to the 1968 election. The average numbers might in fact be even smaller than this estimate.

Why did black voters suddenly turn out in such large numbers in NC last year? Is it safe to say that NC closely mirrored the rest of the country in terms of voter turnout? Why did they come out and vote?

(To be fair, a historically large number of white voters showed up and voted too... perhaps the new white voters were voting against the black guy? I know a couple of white people who showed up for the first time just so they could vote for a black guy. I guess that's also racist... in a perverted Monty Python kind of way.)

EL CID-Sir
You make several valid points...
I was only trying to make one point, simply to negate his one point - which I did successfully by showing factually that a white man garnered the same percentage of Black Voters as Obama did (Argument over, he loses - he's wrong)

Had he made a more complete argument (as you have) I would have been forced to actually reply with a complete argument - which I will do now...

A) We all see in color
B) We all have racial preferences hard wired inside of us (this has been proven about 100 times)
C) We all have experienced some kind of racism in our life - somewhere somehow

My only observation comes down to American historical trends... as well as American historical events
There have been (prior to this election) 43 U.S. Presidents
Last time I checked they've all been white - now this is not usual considering the percentages of population in North America but it is worth noting.

So just considering the odds of a person who comes from a population that consists of 15% it's fairly rare just statistically speaking

So taking that into account as well as American historical slavery issues and our continual (daily) racial tensions and the unfolding saga of the American fabric, this election took on historical relevance

Any (and I mean any) attentive, cognoscente American would be fascinated by this election... in perspective it actually pitted the two classic archetypal characterizations of American History...

The old stodgy white guy who historically has equaled "the face of the American power structure"
And the new educated erudite black man who has come to represent "The promise of the American Dream"

Seriously: It's a classic battle of the American stereotypes

So wouldn't people in general showing up to vote be expected...
Latino's did in record numbers
blacks did in record numbers
whites did in close to record numbers

The Latino percentages were spot on - the black percentages were spot on the historical trend of voting for Liberal Democrats... just more of them showed up because it felt like being a part of America history - where as voting for Herman Muster (John Kerry a billionaire's bitch of a husband) and George Bush a billionaire's silver spoon son... was a total "who cares" and more of a "gee guess what, two rich white guys"

Race played a role for sure...
but I think slightly different role than is played out by Rush Limbaugh

The angry dethroned Conservative plays this as "just Racism"
The happy Liberal plays this as historically invigorating and "finally meaningful" to minorities of all race as an example of American history being played out right in front of our eyes

Each of us get to decide how we feel about it... and what it means to us

[CID1990]

EL CID-Sir
You make several valid points...
I was only trying to make one point, simply to negate his one point - which I did successfully by showing factually that a white man garnered the same percentage of Black Voters as Obama did (Argument over, he loses - he's wrong)

Had he made a more complete argument (as you have) I would have been forced to actually reply with a complete argument - which I will do now...

A) We all see in color
B) We all have racial preferences hard wired inside of us (this has been proven about 100 times)
C) We all have experienced some kind of racism in our life - somewhere somehow

My only observation comes down to American historical trends... as well as American historical events
There have been (prior to this election) 43 U.S. Presidents
Last time I checked they've all been white - now this is not usual considering the percentages of population in North America but it is worth noting.

So just considering the odds of a person who comes from a population that consists of 15% it's fairly rare just statistically speaking

So taking that into account as well as American historical slavery issues and our continual (daily) racial tensions and the unfolding saga of the American fabric, this election took on historical relevance

Any (and I mean any) attentive, cognoscente American would be fascinated by this election... in perspective it actually pitted the two classic archetypal characterizations of American History...

The old stodgy white guy who historically has equaled "the face of the American power structure"
And the new educated erudite black man who has come to represent "The promise of the American Dream"

Seriously: It's a classic battle of the American stereotypes

So wouldn't people in general showing up to vote be expected...
Latino's did in record numbers
blacks did in record numbers
whites did in close to record numbers

The Latino percentages were spot on - the black percentages were spot on the historical trend of voting for Liberal Democrats... just more of them showed up because it felt like being a part of America history - where as voting for Herman Muster (John Kerry a billionaire's bitch of a husband) and George Bush a billionaire's silver spoon son... was a total "who cares" and more of a "gee guess what, two rich white guys"

Race played a role for sure...
but I think slightly different role than is played out by Rush Limbaugh

The angry dethroned Conservative plays this as "just Racism"
The happy Liberal plays this as historically invigorating and "finally meaningful" to minorities of all race as an example of American history being played out right in front of our eyes

Each of us get to decide how we feel about it... and what it means to us

Agreed, with a lot of that. But what about the perpetually angry liberal? He exists as well, and he fired a few shots in this election, too. For every loudmouth on the right claiming black racism, there was another loudmouth on the left claiming racial motivation for the breakdown of the white vote. It is tit for tat hypocrisy, although there is also unfortunately a kernel of truth to what both sides are saying.

Personally, as much as I would love to vote for a black candidate (there's a racial motivation for you), somebody is going to have to find one with agreeable politics before I do so.

[D1B]

EL CID-Sir
You make several valid points...
I was only trying to make one point, simply to negate his one point - which I did successfully by showing factually that a white man garnered the same percentage of Black Voters as Obama did (Argument over, he loses - he's wrong)

Had he made a more complete argument (as you have) I would have been forced to actually reply with a complete argument - which I will do now...

A) We all see in color
B) We all have racial preferences hard wired inside of us (this has been proven about 100 times)
C) We all have experienced some kind of racism in our life - somewhere somehow

My only observation comes down to American historical trends... as well as American historical events
There have been (prior to this election) 43 U.S. Presidents
Last time I checked they've all been white - now this is not usual considering the percentages of population in North America but it is worth noting.

So just considering the odds of a person who comes from a population that consists of 15% it's fairly rare just statistically speaking

So taking that into account as well as American historical slavery issues and our continual (daily) racial tensions and the unfolding saga of the American fabric, this election took on historical relevance

Any (and I mean any) attentive, cognoscente American would be fascinated by this election... in perspective it actually pitted the two classic archetypal characterizations of American History...

The old stodgy white guy who historically has equaled "the face of the American power structure"
And the new educated erudite black man who has come to represent "The promise of the American Dream"

Seriously: It's a classic battle of the American stereotypes

So wouldn't people in general showing up to vote be expected...
Latino's did in record numbers
blacks did in record numbers
whites did in close to record numbers

The Latino percentages were spot on - the black percentages were spot on the historical trend of voting for Liberal Democrats... just more of them showed up because it felt like being a part of America history - where as voting for Herman Muster (John Kerry a billionaire's bitch of a husband) and George Bush a billionaire's silver spoon son... was a total "who cares" and more of a "gee guess what, two rich white guys"

Race played a role for sure...
but I think slightly different role than is played out by Rush Limbaugh

The angry dethroned Conservative plays this as "just Racism"
The happy Liberal plays this as historically invigorating and "finally meaningful" to minorities of all race as an example of American history being played out right in front of our eyes

Each of us get to decide how we feel about it... and what it means to us

Agreed, with a lot of that. But what about the perpetually angry liberal? He exists as well, and he fired a few shots in this election, too. For every loudmouth on the right claiming black racism, there was another loudmouth on the left claiming racial motivation for the breakdown of the white vote. It is tit for tat hypocrisy, although there is also unfortunately a kernel of truth to what both sides are saying.

Personally, as much as I would love to vote for a black candidate (there's a racial motivation for you), somebody is going to have to find one with agreeable politics before I do so.

A myth created by hardcore conks (AZgrizfan, Tman, Clenz, your stupid ass, Shitdog, Ivy) - an infantile attempt to justify their bullshit, delusions and clinical paranoia.

[AZGrizFan]

Riiiiight. Nothing to do with "race". If a WHITE president had said a BLACK cop had handled things "stupidly", he'd have been crucified. But the black man gets off without a hitch. WAFJ.

Actually, one of the only ways to bash a black guy and get away with it these days is if that black guy is a cop, so not the best comparison.

Touche...

[AZGrizFan]

Agreed, with a lot of that. But what about the perpetually angry liberal? He exists as well, and he fired a few shots in this election, too. For every loudmouth on the right claiming black racism, there was another loudmouth on the left claiming racial motivation for the breakdown of the white vote. It is tit for tat hypocrisy, although there is also unfortunately a kernel of truth to what both sides are saying.

Personally, as much as I would love to vote for a black candidate (there's a racial motivation for you), somebody is going to have to find one with agreeable politics before I do so.

A myth created by hardcore conks (AZgrizfan, Tman, Clenz, your stupid ass, Shitdog, Ivy) - an infantile attempt to justify their bullshit, delusions and clinical paranoia.

You haven't met my sisters, my cousins, my nephew, my aunts, etc., etc., etc. ALL qualify as perpetually angry and VERY LIBERAL.

[AZGrizFan]

Personally, as much as I would love to vote for a black candidate (there's a racial motivation for you), somebody is going to have to find one with agreeable politics before I do so.

Why? That didn't stop Colin Powell or JC Watts? In their zeal to have a black man as president in their lifetime they never looked past the color of Obama's skin....

[Col Hogan]

Agreed, with a lot of that. But what about the perpetually angry liberal? He exists as well, and he fired a few shots in this election, too. For every loudmouth on the right claiming black racism, there was another loudmouth on the left claiming racial motivation for the breakdown of the white vote. It is tit for tat hypocrisy, although there is also unfortunately a kernel of truth to what both sides are saying.

Personally, as much as I would love to vote for a black candidate (there's a racial motivation for you), somebody is going to have to find one with agreeable politics before I do so.

A myth created by hardcore conks (AZgrizfan, Tman, Clenz, your stupid ass, Shitdog, Ivy) - an infantile attempt to justify their bullshit, delusions and clinical paranoia.

Prime example of said ANGRY LIBERAL.....must call people names...shouts...