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Man. Clenzy has fully drunk the koolaid.

I did NOT see that coming.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Sat Aug 29, 2020 5:52 pm
Man. Clenzy has fully drunk the koolaid.

I did NOT see that coming.
I never expected you to go full on right-wing extremist Trump Cultist either, but here we are...
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dbackjon wrote:
Sat Aug 29, 2020 5:58 pm
AZGrizFan wrote:
Sat Aug 29, 2020 5:52 pm
Man. Clenzy has fully drunk the koolaid.

I did NOT see that coming.
I never expected you to go full on right-wing extremist Trump Cultist either, but here we are...
Well, I never expected the left to prop up Weekend at Bernies for President. All they had to do was put forth a functioning adult and they couldn’t do it, so here we are. :coffee: :coffee:
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Re: Here We Go Again (Kenosha, WI)

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clenz wrote:
Sat Aug 29, 2020 5:06 pm
What about this one where the guy is actively hands on and fighting

disarms an officer of their service baton and starts beating them with it

Not a single fucking shot fired

What's your bullshit made up spin on that one



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How about experience?

And whoever told Shannon noncompliance was a death sentence was full of shit. Non-compliance certainly lowers your chances of a equitable outcome, but isn't a death sentence. Red Herring.
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houndawg wrote:
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Fri Aug 28, 2020 11:54 am


With a decent lawyer he'll never do time. Heck, there're tons of video evidence already that's going to muddy the waters. All depends on that first shooting - assuming he can prove self defense in that one and he's going to walk free, other than minor stuff like gun possession and such.
The crux of the biscuit is that the kid had no business being in the area at all, he was open carrying underage across a state line to where he is also underage. And if the story about his mom taking him to the event is true then she's in a world of shit and maybe the purchaser of the gun and ammo too assuming he wasn't able to buy tye ammo being underage. Hard to say if the self-defense defense will fly - its roughly the same situation as Ahmaud Arberry and the Georgia pigfuckers but in a different State. Be kind of ironic if they convict in Georgia and and walk free in Wisconsin
I’ve been thinking this all along...

Why was this kid openly armed, on the street, at night, during open riots, in Kenosha, Wisconsin?

I get all the arguments about how he was justified, etc etc. But 99% of avoiding deadly force situations is not putting yourself in a position to be in one in the first place.

If anybody can give me a plausible scenario where this kid was NOT looking for trouble, I’d be all ears.

If he gets a smackdown in criminal court I’ll have a hard time knowing how to feel about it.
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Re: Here We Go Again (Kenosha, WI)

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houndawg wrote:
Baldy wrote:
Sat Aug 29, 2020 10:53 am
This looks like a traffic stop, not a 911 call. This man wasn't resisting arrest. This man didn't go hands on with the cop. He was an asshole, but he was complying. Etc. Etc. Etc.
If he were black he'd be lucky to survive the encounter.
Black guys survive encounters like that by the hundreds, daily.

Black guys survived encounters like that with me for nearly 20 years.

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Re: Here We Go Again (Kenosha, WI)

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CID1990 wrote:
Sat Aug 29, 2020 7:01 pm
houndawg wrote:
The crux of the biscuit is that the kid had no business being in the area at all, he was open carrying underage across a state line to where he is also underage. And if the story about his mom taking him to the event is true then she's in a world of shit and maybe the purchaser of the gun and ammo too assuming he wasn't able to buy tye ammo being underage. Hard to say if the self-defense defense will fly - its roughly the same situation as Ahmaud Arberry and the Georgia pigfuckers but in a different State. Be kind of ironic if they convict in Georgia and and walk free in Wisconsin
I’ve been thinking this all along...

Why was this kid openly armed, on the street, at night, during open riots, in Kenosha, Wisconsin?

I get all the arguments about how he was justified, etc etc. But 99% of avoiding deadly force situations is not putting yourself in a position to be in one in the first place.

If anybody can give me a plausible scenario where this kid was NOT looking for trouble, I’d be all ears.

If he gets a smackdown in criminal court I’ll have a hard time knowing how to feel about it.
This is pretty close to what I have been telling my kids. You wouldn't find me there on either side. Right along the play stupid games, win stupid prizes thinking.
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Re: Here We Go Again (Kenosha, WI)

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AZGrizFan wrote:Man. Clenzy has fully drunk the koolaid.

I did NOT see that coming.
So I'm extremist because I'm using the logic thrown out there to justify shooting Blake in the back 7 times to ask why white people doing the exact same thing aren't getting the same treatment?

Listen, the first white guy I posted deserves a hell of a lot more than 1 shot. Shoot him until he stops moving them put 4 more clips in him for good measure.

The guy in Washington? Hit his ass with a taser and don't let go of the trigger.

The fuck who beat a cop with a weapon he stole from them? Put 5 rounds in his head.



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CID1990 wrote:
houndawg wrote: The crux of the biscuit is that the kid had no business being in the area at all, he was open carrying underage across a state line to where he is also underage. And if the story about his mom taking him to the event is true then she's in a world of shit and maybe the purchaser of the gun and ammo too assuming he wasn't able to buy tye ammo being underage. Hard to say if the self-defense defense will fly - its roughly the same situation as Ahmaud Arberry and the Georgia pigfuckers but in a different State. Be kind of ironic if they convict in Georgia and and walk free in Wisconsin
I’ve been thinking this all along...

Why was this kid openly armed, on the street, at night, during open riots, in Kenosha, Wisconsin?

I get all the arguments about how he was justified, etc etc. But 99% of avoiding deadly force situations is not putting yourself in a position to be in one in the first place.

If anybody can give me a plausible scenario where this kid was NOT looking for trouble, I’d be all ears.

If he gets a smackdown in criminal court I’ll have a hard time knowing how to feel about it.
Video has come out of him sucker punching and jumping a lady in her 40s or 50s earlier this summer.

He's clearly looking for violence wherever he gets it.

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clenz wrote:
Sat Aug 29, 2020 4:49 pm
Baldy wrote: This looks like a traffic stop, not a 911 call. This man wasn't resisting arrest. This man didn't go hands on with the cop. He was an asshole, but he was complying. Etc. Etc. Etc.
Hands not visible
Threatening police lives
Weapon in hand
Getting in a car
Another inside the car that the police can't see also threatening them with violence
Hands can't be seen
Known weapon on that individual in his hands
Back turns to officers
Reaches in car potentially for a weapon


Now it matters if it's a traffic stop or a 911 call?

How many other made up defenses that only apply to one side do you have left?


Listen if Blake is justified then the guy that got one round should have gotten at least 7

The asshole in Washington should have gotten at least 7


If the cops in Kenosha followed protocol 100% then the other two aren't following protocol.

If those two are following protocol then Blake's weren't.


Was Blake hands on? Did he actually attack the cops before they let him walk around the car? That's terrible policing if so.

That man is resisting orders from a police officer. I believe that's called obstruction and is still also resisting.

Keep spinning because literally ever justification used in the Blake case applies to both other situations I posted. There's one key difference in the man interacting with the police.

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The officers were heading to a 911 call for a domestic disturbance. They knew he was in violation of a restraining order and had an active warrant for his arrest stemming from a sexual assault in May, so yeah that is a whole hell of a lot different than a traffic stop.

Police protocols are different from city to city and state to state, or did you not know that either?

Was Blake hands on? Really??? What part of they tried to taze him twice (two times) did you not understand? If you would have read just one article regarding this case, you would have also known that he had one of the cops in a headlock during the scuffle.

Do what you want, but I'll give cops the benefit of the doubt over a known criminal in situations like this every single time. :coffee:

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SeattleGriz wrote:
Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:45 pm
clenz wrote:
Sat Aug 29, 2020 5:06 pm
What about this one where the guy is actively hands on and fighting

disarms an officer of their service baton and starts beating them with it

Not a single fucking shot fired

What's your bullshit made up spin on that one



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How about experience?

And whoever told Shannon noncompliance was a death sentence was full of shit. Non-compliance certainly lowers your chances of a equitable outcome, but isn't a death sentence. Red Herring.

Its exactly why we're having all these protests and riots. :ohno:
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SDHornet wrote:
Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:36 am
houndawg wrote:
Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:23 am


The crux of the biscuit is that the kid had no business being in the area at all, he was open carrying underage across a state line to where he is also underage. And if the story about his mom taking him to the event is true then she's in a world of shit and maybe the purchaser of the gun and ammo too assuming he wasn't able to buy tye ammo being underage. Hard to say if the self-defense defense will fly - its roughly the same situation as Ahmaud Arberry and the Georgia pigfuckers but in a different State. Be kind of ironic if they convict in Georgia and and walk free in Wisconsin
None of those people should have been there, hell the people he bagged lived farther away from Kenosha than he did. Also your premise ignores the fact that the WI governor turned down additional National Guard personnel. This whole night would have likely been avoided had the donk governor did his fucking job and not enabled this mob to begin with.

How many shootings and deaths have there been in Kenosha since the NG was deployed after that fateful night?
Or if the little incel had a girlfriend like all the other 17 year olds... :coffee:
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CID1990 wrote:
Sat Aug 29, 2020 7:03 pm
houndawg wrote:
If he were black he'd be lucky to survive the encounter.
Black guys survive encounters like that by the hundreds, daily.

Black guys survived encounters like that with me for nearly 20 years.

:coffee:
I take your point and with some of the videos there is question as to what happened before the vid started rolling, but the one thing they have in common is that the guy taking the rounds is not white. Whats wrong a billy club to the shins when some punk gets mouthy instead of an execution?
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clenz wrote:
Sat Aug 29, 2020 8:07 pm
AZGrizFan wrote:Man. Clenzy has fully drunk the koolaid.

I did NOT see that coming.
So I'm extremist because I'm using the logic thrown out there to justify shooting Blake in the back 7 times to ask why white people doing the exact same thing aren't getting the same treatment?

Listen, the first white guy I posted deserves a hell of a lot more than 1 shot. Shoot him until he stops moving them put 4 more clips in him for good measure.

The guy in Washington? Hit his ass with a taser and don't let go of the trigger.

The fuck who beat a cop with a weapon he stole from them? Put 5 rounds in his head.
It's interesting that you're actually for white equality, not black equality. You want all people to be shot by cops. :geek:
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houndawg wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:10 am
SeattleGriz wrote:
Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:45 pm


How about experience?

And whoever told Shannon noncompliance was a death sentence was full of shit. Non-compliance certainly lowers your chances of a equitable outcome, but isn't a death sentence. Red Herring.

Its exactly why we're having all these protests and riots. :ohno:
Way to leave out the experience portion. Do you even know why the cops were called on Blake?
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Very disappointed that Trump has failed to heal the racial wounds of this country.
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At least Trump is going to Kenosha, unlike your hero.
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Very disappointed that Trump has failed to heal the racial wounds of this country.
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Baldy wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 12:46 am

The officers were heading to a 911 call for a domestic disturbance. They knew he was in violation of a restraining order and had an active warrant for his arrest stemming from a sexual assault in May, so yeah that is a whole hell of a lot different than a traffic stop.

Police protocols are different from city to city and state to state, or did you not know that either?

Was Blake hands on? Really??? What part of they tried to taze him twice (two times) did you not understand? If you would have read just one article regarding this case, you would have also known that he had one of the cops in a headlock during the scuffle.

Do what you want, but I'll give cops the benefit of the doubt over a known criminal in situations like this every single time. :coffee:
Also, it probably didn't help that Blake had a viiolent offense on his record.

That white guy was being really foolish, but a trend that people should be noticing in nearly all of these police shootings is resisting arrest and not complying or actively resisting the officer. And I don't even mean not following officer's direction to the letter. He walked all the way around the front of his car with the officers having their weapons drawn and opened his door. That's not putting one toe out of bounds, that's making a leap.
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GannonFan wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 11:51 am
BDKJMU wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 11:25 am

I don’t think 20% more likely to be pulled over = that blacks on average are pulled over 20-30x a decade. I’m sure some are, but that has to be the extreme end.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/21/us/polic ... index.html
Assuming that 20% is really a meaningful result. Even later in that same article they say there are tons of differences from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
"It's good to have a general understanding, but each place has its caveats, and each jurisdiction has its own limitations or ways of doing things," Shoemaker says.

For instance, in Nashville, she says, the data for the area was so specific that a local police department was able to see that there was a preponderance of stops in mostly poor, black areas for things like taillights and license plates.
If you average it out over the nation you just end up with that 20% more (which is by itself not all that good either). But you likely have way too many cases in isolated areas where it's much worse. When you hear story after story of people having to leave for work earlier because they have to build in the time involved with being stopped by a cop (especially when going from their home, which is mostly black, to their work in an area that is mostly white) then you have to really consider it. Will Smith (celebrity, so take it for what it's worth) said he got pulled over 20-30 times as a kid in in Philly. I think we would be naively optimistic to think this isn't happening.
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117 (31%) Caucasian
29 (8%) Latinx
2 (1%) Asian American
1 (<1%) Native American
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houndawg wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Sat Aug 29, 2020 7:03 pm
Black guys survive encounters like that by the hundreds, daily.

Black guys survived encounters like that with me for nearly 20 years.

:coffee:
I take your point and with some of the videos there is question as to what happened before the vid started rolling, but the one thing they have in common is that the guy taking the rounds is not white. Whats wrong a billy club to the shins when some punk gets mouthy instead of an execution?
The police kill white people every day.


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At this point if anyone thinks that BLM isn't an inherently violent, anti police organization, they're a fucking moron. BLM leader in DC last night:
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BDKJMU wrote:
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At this point if anyone thinks that BLM isn't an inherently violent, anti police organization, they're a fucking moron. BLM leader in DC last night:
Time to call it an official terrorist organization.
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Hey it's BTK. I thought we ran him off with all our waycism here.
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