BDKJMU wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 1:39 pm
In the Wiinter/Spring I-AA/Div II/Div III will be playing the "2020" season, and will be having the 2021 draft, so any 2020 seniors would be drafted in the year after the end of their college eligibility.
The NFL would have to make an exception to allow players not declared for the draft and/or the NCAA and exception for players to talk with agents while still actively playing.
No exception needs to be made to talk with agents. Notre Dame is the 1st link that popped up:
It is not a violation of NCAA rules if a student-athlete merely talks to an agent (as long as an agreement for agent representation is not established) or socializes with an agent
NCAA has already granted an extra year of eligibility to all fall sports players, whether they play or not: https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... igibility/
As far as signing with an agent, say in March or April, for pro prospect players who play in the Spring, then the NCAA would have to make an exception. Would they? After all, we are talking about mostly fringe pro prospect I-AA/Div II/Div III, 90+% of whom are just trying to get a rookie mini camp invite, and for whom only a fraction will even lead to a UDFA contract in early May after the draft (at that point would be down to the I-AA semifinals anyway).
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If NDSU makes the semi-finals and the draft is that weekend, and Lance did not declare because of NCAA rules, he can't be selected. He loses his first round money.
Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:33 pm
If NDSU makes the semi-finals and the draft is that weekend, and Lance did not declare because of NCAA rules, he can't be selected. He loses his first round money.
The draft is currently scheduled to the weekend of the quarterfinals for I-AA (not sure about Div II and Div III). The NCAA will likely make a 2021 exception for those playing in their 2020 season in the Winter/Spring where they don’t have to declare by (just looked up in the past its been late Jan). Otherwise you have maybe 100+ players who are long shots on being drafted, need more games under their belt, being stuck in a very bad situation. That is a simple fix: Allow players to delare for the 2021 draft, but finish their ‘2020’ season.
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Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:33 pm
If NDSU makes the semi-finals and the draft is that weekend, and Lance did not declare because of NCAA rules, he can't be selected. He loses his first round money.
The draft is currently scheduled to the weekend of the quarterfinals for I-AA (not sure about Div II and Div III). The NCAA will likely make a 2021 exception for those playing in their 2020 season in the Winter/Spring where they don’t have to declare by (just looked up in the past its been late Jan). Otherwise you have maybe 100+ players who are long shots on being drafted, need more games under their belt, being stuck in a very bad situation. That is a simple fix: Allow players to delare for the 2021 draft, but finish their ‘2020’ season.
This all looks good and simple on paper, what about real life. There's the Senior bowl, the Combine, pro days, time away from practice and school to prepare for the draft.
BDKJMU wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:05 pm
The draft is currently scheduled to the weekend of the quarterfinals for I-AA (not sure about Div II and Div III). The NCAA will likely make a 2021 exception for those playing in their 2020 season in the Winter/Spring where they don’t have to declare by (just looked up in the past its been late Jan). Otherwise you have maybe 100+ players who are long shots on being drafted, need more games under their belt, being stuck in a very bad situation. That is a simple fix: Allow players to delare for the 2021 draft, but finish their ‘2020’ season.
This all looks good and simple on paper, what about real life. There's the Senior bowl, the Combine, pro days, time away from practice and school to prepare for the draft.
FWIW JMU’s last 2 drafted 7th round Jimmy Moreland (no combine invite) and Ben Dinucci (no All Star game or Combine invite).
What exactly then are the fringe seniors suppose to do that need to play another season of college ball to have any chance of being drafted and/or to improve their chance at getting a UDFA or rookie tryout (which describes most of the FCS top players)? NFL isn’t going to draft or even sign many fringe guys in 2021 who haven’t played since 2019.
And if the NCAA doesn’t let guys who declare for the draft play in the Spring, you’ll be able to count the # of players drafted from FCS on one hand. The 2 from NDSU and maybe a few others. It will even be less than last drafts record low of 7.
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This all looks good and simple on paper, what about real life. There's the Senior bowl, the Combine, pro days, time away from practice and school to prepare for the draft.
FWIW JMU’s last 2 drafted 7th round Jimmy Moreland (no combine invite) and Ben Dinucci (no All Star game or Combine invite).
What exactly then are the fringe seniors suppose to do that need to play another season of college ball to have any chance of being drafted and/or to improve their chance at getting a UDFA or rookie tryout (which describes most of the FCS top players)? NFL isn’t going to draft or even sign many fringe guys in 2021 who haven’t played since 2019.
And if the NCAA doesn’t let guys who declare for the draft play in the Spring, you’ll be able to count the # of players drafted from FCS on one hand. The 2 from NDSU and maybe a few others. It will even be less than last drafts record low of 7.
Could be 3 from NDSU, Cox was there 4 years before LSU this year.
FWIW JMU’s last 2 drafted 7th round Jimmy Moreland (no combine invite) and Ben Dinucci (no All Star game or Combine invite).
What exactly then are the fringe seniors suppose to do that need to play another season of college ball to have any chance of being drafted and/or to improve their chance at getting a UDFA or rookie tryout (which describes most of the FCS top players)? NFL isn’t going to draft or even sign many fringe guys in 2021 who haven’t played since 2019.
And if the NCAA doesn’t let guys who declare for the draft play in the Spring, you’ll be able to count the # of players drafted from FCS on one hand. The 2 from NDSU and maybe a few others. It will even be less than last drafts record low of 7.
Could be 3 from NDSU, Cox was there 4 years before LSU this year.
Cox won’t count as as FCS draft pick when the tallies are done.
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89Hen wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:51 am
Kind of interesting that there are 12 I-AA players in that game and 7 non D1 players.
JMU has three players on Tampa roster and Indiana State has two on Green Bay.
According to the JMU board, JMU also has 1 on IR for Green Bay, who was starting at S before a season ending injury last month.
All 3 on Tampa are OL. Last Sun Stinnie started at OG for Tampa. No idea about next Sunday. From back in Oct:
Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:46 pm
NDSU now has 8 on 53 man rosters, with Darrius Shepherd moving up to the Packers roster last week.
Figures the 2 teams with the most would be NDSU & JMU.
JMU 11 on rosters since the start of the regular season. 3 regular starters + 3 more that started a game. Had 14 training camp, 5 cut (3 rookies). -Earl Watford OG Bucs (2013 4th Rd pick Cardinals) (Brought out of retirement by Bucs for the playoffs, started 4 games 2019).
-Daniel Brown, TE Jets (2015 UDFA). -Josh Well, OT Bucs (2015 UDFA) (Started 1 game).
-Dean Marlowe, FS Bills (2015 UDFA) (Starter).
-Rashard Davis CB/RS Titans (2017 UDFA). -Aaron Stinnie, OG Bucs (2018 UDFA) (Started playoff game vs Saints).
-Raven Green, S Packers (2018 UDFA) (Starting before season ending injury).
-Jimmy Moreland, CB Redskins, (2019 7th rd) (Starter).
-Ben Dinucci, QB Cowboys (2020 7th rd) (Started 1 game).
-Rondell Carter, DE Cowboys (2020 UDFA)
Does anyone really think we're just seeing 4 of the best head coaches in the history of the subdivision in one era? I'm trying to be objective, but it's really hard to come to any other conclusion.
Pwns wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:55 pm
Here's some winning percentages for select teams on select years compared with JMU's 2 most recent head coaches...
Does anyone really think we're just seeing 4 of the best head coaches in the history of the subdivision in one era? I'm trying to be objective, but it's really hard to come to any other conclusion.
FCS is not upper level DII anymore. Programs are better, no more 'stop this option' team champions. NDSU in the 1980s could have beaten the GSUs of the 1980s.
Pwns wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:55 pm
Here's some winning percentages for select teams on select years compared with JMU's 2 most recent head coaches...
Does anyone really think we're just seeing 4 of the best head coaches in the history of the subdivision in one era? I'm trying to be objective, but it's really hard to come to any other conclusion.
FCS is not upper level DII anymore. Programs are better, no more 'stop this option' team champions. NDSU in the 1980s could have beaten the GSUs of the 1980s.
Erk & Ham would have beaten NDZU.
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UNI88 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:42 pm Erk & Ham would have beaten NDZU.
Probably not. The players across the board are bigger, faster, stronger than they were 30-40 years ago..
Wasn't comparing 1980's GSU to 2010/20's NDZU. Gil posted ...
Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:33 pm
FCS is not upper level DII anymore. Programs are better, no more 'stop this option' team champions. NDSU in the 1980s could have beaten the GSUs of the 1980s.
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BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:49 pm
Probably not. The players across the board are bigger, faster, stronger than they were 30-40 years ago..
Wasn't comparing 1980's GSU to 2010/20's NDZU. Gil posted ...
Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:33 pm
FCS is not upper level DII anymore. Programs are better, no more 'stop this option' team champions. NDSU in the 1980s could have beaten the GSUs of the 1980s.
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Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:33 pm
NDSU in the 1980s could have beaten the GSUs of the 1980s.
Maybe 1982 and 1983...the first two years of the start of their program. But 1985 through 1989? Unlikely. VERY unlikely for the Tracy Ham national championship teams and the 1989 national championship team Just regular unlikely for the other years.
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FCS is not upper level DII anymore. Programs are better, no more 'stop this option' team champions. NDSU in the 1980s could have beaten the GSUs of the 1980s.
Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:33 pm
NDSU in the 1980s could have beaten the GSUs of the 1980s.
Maybe 1982 and 1983...the first two years of the start of their program. But 1985 through 1989? Unlikely. VERY unlikely for the Tracy Ham national championship teams and the 1989 national championship team Just regular unlikely for the other years.
Very likely! Bison had their own triple option. National Champs in 1983, 85, 86, 88, 90. 2 Harlon Hill QBs.
Two of the heavyweights of FCS football have played their last game at the level, as James Madison and Sam Houston, two teams familiar to South Dakota State fans for handing their Jackrabbits devastating playoff losses, are taking their programs to the FBS (formerly I-A) level starting next year. So is Jacksonville State, another regular in the FCS playoffs.
It’s the continuation of a trend. Georgia Southern, Appalachian State, Coastal Carolina, Liberty and Old Dominion are among other FCS contenders who have made the jump. JMU and Sam Houston are the only programs to win a national championship other than North Dakota State going back to 2011. Georgia Southern won six FCS national titles before leaving; App State won three.
These defections have only amplified the voices up north for North Dakota State to look harder at making the move up to FBS as well. And why not? The Bisons' dominance has reached almost absurd levels. There’s clearly nothing left to prove, and as attendance at the Fargodome dwindles, it’s becoming obvious that their own fan base is almost as bored with the winning as the fans of their foes.
A question that once was, "Who is going to step up and take down the Bison?" is slowly morphing into, "What are the Bison still doing at the FCS level?" Maybe it really is time for them to go.…
1980s I-AA was barely out of DII. More scholarships meant just the same mediocre teams with more schalorships. We even beat a playoff Griz at home with an average 2003 DII team.
1980s I-AA was barely out of DII. More scholarships meant just the same mediocre teams with more schalorships. We even beat a playoff Griz at home with an average 2003 DII team.
For years tracked how the different divisions and subdivisions did against each other. I always said that the top teams in D-II could often compete with the top teams in I-AA/FCS. There have been some big blowouts of I-AA/FCS playoff teams by D-II playoff teams. There was even one case where the eventual D-II national champion beat the eventual I-AA national champion during the regular season. However, overall, I-AA/FCS teams held a very substantial edge in overall wins and losses. Also, I-AA playoff teams held a very substantial edge over D-II playoff teams in head to head matchups.
I don't think there is any way any D-II team could have stayed on the field with the Tracy Ham Georgia Southern teams.
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Erk & Ham would have beaten NDZU.
