Coronavirus COVID-19

[kalm]

Of course the irony of these European countries going into another extended and more severe lockdown is that they were supposedly the ones doing everything "right".

No one did everything right (including Sweden) but some countries saved a shit ton of more lives.

All of this has been predicted. Our 2nd wave just happens to be occurring earlier and perhaps worse than expected.

In good news, Melbourne, Australia is coming out of an 111 day lockdown. Summer is coming and they had zero new cases yesterday.

[SDHornet]

Of course the irony of these European countries going into another extended and more severe lockdown is that they were supposedly the ones doing everything "right".

No one did everything right (including Sweden) but some countries saved a shit ton of more lives.

All of this has been predicted. Our 2nd wave just happens to be occurring earlier and perhaps worse than expected.

In good news, Melbourne, Australia is coming out of an 111 day lockdown. Summer is coming and they had zero new cases yesterday.

We'll see. This "2nd wave" is just going to be a cannibalized flu season, and the media will hype it as the end of the world.

[SDHornet]

[AZGrizFan]

WhatEVER will people under 70 DO????

[89Hen]

Not according to ABC News. They only show pictures of people who have died under 40.

[AZGrizFan]

Not according to ABC News. They only show pictures of people who have died under 40.

All 15 of them?

[89Hen]

Not according to ABC News. They only show pictures of people who have died under 40.

All 15 of them?

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1200955316927423

[UNI88]

All 15 of them?

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1200955316927423

How many people die if we open everything back up without government restrictions and make masks optional?

[AZGrizFan]

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1200955316927423

How many people die if we open everything back up without government restrictions and make masks optional?

Given that I dont’ think masks are proven to accomplish anything, I’d say it’d look about like it does now.

[89Hen]

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1200955316927423

How many people die if we open everything back up without government restrictions and make masks optional?

I don't know, how many? And what is the price of cotton in Serbia?

[Gil Dobie]

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1200955316927423

How many people die if we open everything back up without government restrictions and make masks optional?

Everyone's stats would look like North Dakota's. We do have better treatments for the sick, so the percentage of deaths will be down. The medical profession believes that mask with distancing, washing and temp checks work. The more times the virus replicates, the bigger chance of a mutation. In other words, the more cases, the more chances of mutation.

[Gil Dobie]

How many people die if we open everything back up without government restrictions and make masks optional?

Given that I dont’ think masks are proven to accomplish anything, I’d say it’d look about like it does now.

What the mask is doing it stopping the big wads of snot and spit with large viral loads, from spraying in all directions, probably up to 10 feet. With masks on both people, the medical community believes the spread is minimal, and even less with distancing. Businesses that check temps, take out anyone that has the fever condition. Washing is self explanatory. When I get to the car, after going in a store, I use sanitizer.

[UNI88]

How many people die if we open everything back up without government restrictions and make masks optional?

Given that I dont’ think masks are proven to accomplish anything, I’d say it’d look about like it does now.

You don't think that the number of cases, hospitalizations, etc. will increase if people stop physical distancing and start going to games and other large gatherings?

[JohnStOnge]

Well we passed a milestone. As of today, when the CDC reported that we had COUNTED 227,045 COVID-19 deaths. That means that, adjusted for population changes, we have now passed the 1957-1958 Asian flu pandemic death toll in the United States. That one had an ESTIMATED 116,000 deaths. The same death rate now, as compared to US population in January 1957, would mean 226,981 deaths.
And, again, the 116,000 is an estimate. What we're dealing with now is a count. Reasonable estimates of COVID-19 deaths are going to be higher than the count.

It now is clearly established by any reasonable standard as the worst pandemic in terms of impact upon the United States in over 100 years.

[JohnStOnge]

WhatEVER will people under 70 DO????

If I give you a jar of 200 jelly beans and tell you that one is laced with potassium cyanide so that if you eat it you will drop dead, are you going to eat a jelly beat out of that jar? That's the risk represented by the 50 - 69 group number.

How about if I give you a jar of 5,000 jelly beans. One is laced with potassium cyanide. Are you going to eat a jelly bean out of THAT jar? That's the risk represented by the 20 - 49 number.

On a related matter: My wife has a cousin who poo poos the risk. He, like me, is in the 55 through 64 year age group. If you look at the population of that age group and the number of COVID-19 deaths within it, you would say that about 1 in each 1,570 people who started the year in that age group have died of COVID-19.

So I asked him: "Let's say someone says they will give you a free ticket to a LSU football game and there will be 100,000 people there. It's free. But once you get in your seat you have to stay there. During the game, a sniper will shoot and kill 64 people. Will you take the ticket?"

BTW, I got reamed on this board a few years back writing about driving while intoxicated when I was talking about risks MUCH smaller than that associated with COVID-19. The risk that you will die because someone is driving drunk was much smaller than the COVID-19 risk 50 years ago before we went on the DUI crusade. MUCH smaller. And it's much smaller now.

We make a big deal about opioids. We're talking about something like 50,000 deaths per year. We are now at more than 5 times that from the COVID-19 pandemic in 9 months.

This stuff of trying to act like this is no big deal is stupid. It really is.

[AZGrizFan]

WhatEVER will people under 70 DO????

If I give you a jar of 200 jelly beans and tell you that one is laced with potassium cyanide so that if you eat it you will drop dead, are you going to eat a jelly beat out of that jar? That's the risk represented by the 50 - 69 group number.

How about if I give you a jar of 5,000 jelly beans. One is laced with potassium cyanide. Are you going to eat a jelly bean out of THAT jar? That's the risk represented by the 20 - 49 number.

On a related matter: My wife has a cousin who poo poos the risk. He, like me, is in the 55 through 64 year age group. If you look at the population of that age group and the number of COVID-19 deaths within it, you would say that about 1 in each 1,570 people who started the year in that age group have died of COVID-19.

So I asked him: "Let's say someone says they will give you a free ticket to a LSU football game and there will be 100,000 people there. It's free. But once you get in your seat you have to stay there. During the game, a sniper will shoot and kill 64 people. Will you take the ticket?"

BTW, I got reamed on this board a few years back writing about driving while intoxicated when I was talking about risks MUCH smaller than that associated with COVID-19. The risk that you will die because someone is driving drunk was much smaller than the COVID-19 risk 50 years ago before we went on the DUI crusade. MUCH smaller. And it's much smaller now.

We make a big deal about opioids. We're talking about something like 50,000 deaths per year. We are now at more than 5 times that from the COVID-19 pandemic in 9 months.

This stuff of trying to act like this is no big deal is stupid. It really is.

Riddle me this, Batman: How can the infection Mortality rate be 0.00003%, but the survival rate be only 99.97%? Wouldnt’ that make the mortality rate .03%?

There are 42,179,856 people between 55-64 in the US. 26,525 deaths. So yes, 1/1570 have died from COVID. Guess what though? Almost 271,000 people have DIED in that age range JUST THIS YEAR. That means when you enter that stadium, there’s a SHITLOAD of snipers aiming at you, and you have a 1/155 chance of being shot. This used to not stop us. Continuing your analogy, let’s eliminate EVERY COVID death and assume they’d ALL still be alive (overkill, I know, but let’s just stipulate that they’d all be alive). That leaves 1/172 chance of being shot—EVEN IF COVID DIDN’T EXIST. So your number went from 1/172 down to 1/155. We Used to leave the house every fucking day, didn’t we, despite that risk? We went on with our daily lives and we didn’t let the snipers scare us into hunkering into our bunker. Yet somehow, the COVID sniper has been deemed worse than all others, we reached some mythical tipping point, so we’re Now mandated to stay in. I’ll never understand it.

[Gil Dobie]

If I give you a jar of 200 jelly beans and tell you that one is laced with potassium cyanide so that if you eat it you will drop dead, are you going to eat a jelly beat out of that jar? That's the risk represented by the 50 - 69 group number.

How about if I give you a jar of 5,000 jelly beans. One is laced with potassium cyanide. Are you going to eat a jelly bean out of THAT jar? That's the risk represented by the 20 - 49 number.

On a related matter: My wife has a cousin who poo poos the risk. He, like me, is in the 55 through 64 year age group. If you look at the population of that age group and the number of COVID-19 deaths within it, you would say that about 1 in each 1,570 people who started the year in that age group have died of COVID-19.

So I asked him: "Let's say someone says they will give you a free ticket to a LSU football game and there will be 100,000 people there. It's free. But once you get in your seat you have to stay there. During the game, a sniper will shoot and kill 64 people. Will you take the ticket?"

BTW, I got reamed on this board a few years back writing about driving while intoxicated when I was talking about risks MUCH smaller than that associated with COVID-19. The risk that you will die because someone is driving drunk was much smaller than the COVID-19 risk 50 years ago before we went on the DUI crusade. MUCH smaller. And it's much smaller now.

We make a big deal about opioids. We're talking about something like 50,000 deaths per year. We are now at more than 5 times that from the COVID-19 pandemic in 9 months.

This stuff of trying to act like this is no big deal is stupid. It really is.

Riddle me this, Batman: How can the infection Mortality rate be 0.00003%, but the survival rate be only 99.97%? Wouldnt’ that make the mortality rate .03%?

There are 42,179,856 people between 55-64 in the US. 26,525 deaths. So yes, 1/1570 have died from COVID. Guess what though? Almost 271,000 people have DIED in that age range JUST THIS YEAR. That means when you enter that stadium, there’s a SHITLOAD of snipers aiming at you, and you have a 1/155 chance of being shot. This used to not stop us. Continuing your analogy, let’s eliminate EVERY COVID death and assume they’d ALL still be alive (overkill, I know, but let’s just stipulate that they’d all be alive). That leaves 1/172 chance of being shot—EVEN IF COVID DIDN’T EXIST. So your number went from 1/172 down to 1/155. We Used to leave the house every fucking day, didn’t we, despite that risk? We went on with our daily lies and we didn’t let the snipers scare us into hunkering into our bunker. Yet somehow, the COVID sniper has been deemed worse than all others, we reached some mythical tipping point, so we’re Now mandated to stay in. I’ll never understand it.

I leave the house every day. Cautious so I'm not spreading this crap to a nursing home or a vulnerable person. Also cautious so the government and news media don't get excited an cause us to be part of a government lockdown or mandate, to make it appear they are doing something. Wait, no one else cared, so we are going to see this government, big brother crap.

[AZGrizFan]

Riddle me this, Batman: How can the infection Mortality rate be 0.00003%, but the survival rate be only 99.97%? Wouldnt’ that make the mortality rate .03%?

There are 42,179,856 people between 55-64 in the US. 26,525 deaths. So yes, 1/1570 have died from COVID. Guess what though? Almost 271,000 people have DIED in that age range JUST THIS YEAR. That means when you enter that stadium, there’s a SHITLOAD of snipers aiming at you, and you have a 1/155 chance of being shot. This used to not stop us. Continuing your analogy, let’s eliminate EVERY COVID death and assume they’d ALL still be alive (overkill, I know, but let’s just stipulate that they’d all be alive). That leaves 1/172 chance of being shot—EVEN IF COVID DIDN’T EXIST. So your number went from 1/172 down to 1/155. We Used to leave the house every fucking day, didn’t we, despite that risk? We went on with our daily lies and we didn’t let the snipers scare us into hunkering into our bunker. Yet somehow, the COVID sniper has been deemed worse than all others, we reached some mythical tipping point, so we’re Now mandated to stay in. I’ll never understand it.

I leave the house every day. Cautious so I'm not spreading this crap to a nursing home or a vulnerable person. Also cautious so the government and news media don't get excited an cause us to be part of a government lockdown or mandate, to make it appear they are doing something. Wait, no one else cared, so we are going to see this government, big brother crap.

Yes. And all the “rules” make soooo much sense. We wear masks from the front door to the restaurant table, but not AT the table—apparently there’s a protective COVID bubble that hovers invisibly over every occupied table. We wear them in the grocery store, despite the fact all the checkers are now in little plexiglass boxes. People wear them in their cars. ALONE! All bank tellers are in plexiglass boxes. No standing at bars. No alcohol after 10:00. DRINKING is more dangerous than eating, apparently. Groups of 9 are ok. Groups of 10 are verboten. Apparently the virus doesn’t spread among 9 people, but requires 10 or more. Riots are fine. Rallys are not. Riots are fine, funerals are not. Riots are fine, weddings are not. Masks don’t work. Then they do. Then they don’t. Then they do. Two weeks to Flatten the curve became lockdown until we eradicate the virus. Two weeks has become 8 months—and counting. Suicides up. spousal and child abuse, up. Sexual abuse, up. Murder rates, skyrocketing. Violent crime, rising in literally every major city. Lockdowns have proven NOT to work, yet we’re about to go back into them (and Europe is definitely going back into them).

Joe Biden claims he has a plan to contain and eradicate the virus. Yet he refuses to tell anyone unless he’s elected president, apparently. He only care about Americans if he’s elected president, i guess.

Yep. It all makes perfect sense.

[BDKJMU]

I leave the house every day. Cautious so I'm not spreading this crap to a nursing home or a vulnerable person. Also cautious so the government and news media don't get excited an cause us to be part of a government lockdown or mandate, to make it appear they are doing something. Wait, no one else cared, so we are going to see this government, big brother crap.

Yes. And all the “rules” make soooo much sense. We wear masks from the front door to the restaurant table, but not AT the table—apparently there’s a protective COVID bubble that hovers invisibly over every occupied table. We wear them in the grocery store, despite the fact all the checkers are now in little plexiglass boxes. People wear them in their cars. ALONE! All bank tellers are in plexiglass boxes. No standing at bars. No alcohol after 10:00. DRINKING is more dangerous than eating, apparently. Groups of 9 are ok. Groups of 10 are verboten. Apparently the virus doesn’t spread among 9 people, but requires 10 or more. Riots are fine. Rallys are not. Riots are fine, funerals are not. Riots are fine, weddings are not. Masks don’t work. Then they do. Then they don’t. Then they do. Two weeks to Flatten the curve became lockdown until we eradicate the virus. Two weeks has become 8 months—and counting. Suicides up. spousal and child abuse, up. Sexual abuse, up. Murder rates, skyrocketing. Violent crime, rising in literally every major city. Lockdowns have proven NOT to work, yet we’re about to go back into them (and Europe is definitely going back into them).

Joe Biden claims he has a plan to contain and eradicate the virus. Yet he refuses to tell anyone unless he’s elected president, apparently. He only care about Americans if he’s elected president, i guess.

Yep. It all makes perfect sense.

[Gil Dobie]

I leave the house every day. Cautious so I'm not spreading this crap to a nursing home or a vulnerable person. Also cautious so the government and news media don't get excited an cause us to be part of a government lockdown or mandate, to make it appear they are doing something. Wait, no one else cared, so we are going to see this government, big brother crap.

Yes. And all the “rules” make soooo much sense. We wear masks from the front door to the restaurant table, but not AT the table—apparently there’s a protective COVID bubble that hovers invisibly over every occupied table. We wear them in the grocery store, despite the fact all the checkers are now in little plexiglass boxes. People wear them in their cars. ALONE! All bank tellers are in plexiglass boxes. No standing at bars. No alcohol after 10:00. DRINKING is more dangerous than eating, apparently. Groups of 9 are ok. Groups of 10 are verboten. Apparently the virus doesn’t spread among 9 people, but requires 10 or more. Riots are fine. Rallys are not. Riots are fine, funerals are not. Riots are fine, weddings are not. Masks don’t work. Then they do. Then they don’t. Then they do. Two weeks to Flatten the curve became lockdown until we eradicate the virus. Two weeks has become 8 months—and counting. Suicides up. spousal and child abuse, up. Sexual abuse, up. Murder rates, skyrocketing. Violent crime, rising in literally every major city. Lockdowns have proven NOT to work, yet we’re about to go back into them (and Europe is definitely going back into them).

Joe Biden claims he has a plan to contain and eradicate the virus. Yet he refuses to tell anyone unless he’s elected president, apparently. He only care about Americans if he’s elected president, i guess.

Yep. It all makes perfect sense.

Mask have been part of the protocol suggested by the medical community for a long time now, used with the other protocol. Don't listen to social media, mainstream media and political quack Doctors. These quacks have made it worse by confusing the populace, hence rising case numbers. It may be too late now, as the Government is going to force a lot more of this crap down our throats because of the social media, mainstream media and political quack Doctors. If Biden is elected it's going to get worse.

[Gil Dobie]

Yes. And all the “rules” make soooo much sense. We wear masks from the front door to the restaurant table, but not AT the table—apparently there’s a protective COVID bubble that hovers invisibly over every occupied table. We wear them in the grocery store, despite the fact all the checkers are now in little plexiglass boxes. People wear them in their cars. ALONE! All bank tellers are in plexiglass boxes. No standing at bars. No alcohol after 10:00. DRINKING is more dangerous than eating, apparently. Groups of 9 are ok. Groups of 10 are verboten. Apparently the virus doesn’t spread among 9 people, but requires 10 or more. Riots are fine. Rallys are not. Riots are fine, funerals are not. Riots are fine, weddings are not. Masks don’t work. Then they do. Then they don’t. Then they do. Two weeks to Flatten the curve became lockdown until we eradicate the virus. Two weeks has become 8 months—and counting. Suicides up. spousal and child abuse, up. Sexual abuse, up. Murder rates, skyrocketing. Violent crime, rising in literally every major city. Lockdowns have proven NOT to work, yet we’re about to go back into them (and Europe is definitely going back into them).

Joe Biden claims he has a plan to contain and eradicate the virus. Yet he refuses to tell anyone unless he’s elected president, apparently. He only care about Americans if he’s elected president, i guess.

Yep. It all makes perfect sense.

Example of a Brainwashed person by the political quack Doctors.

[89Hen]

If I give you a jar of 200 jelly beans and tell you that one is laced with potassium cyanide so that if you eat it you will drop dead

I'd feed them to you. What a stupid anaolgy.

A better analogy John is every time I pull out of my driveway, I know I could be killed in a car accident....

[SeattleGriz]

I leave the house every day. Cautious so I'm not spreading this crap to a nursing home or a vulnerable person. Also cautious so the government and news media don't get excited an cause us to be part of a government lockdown or mandate, to make it appear they are doing something. Wait, no one else cared, so we are going to see this government, big brother crap.

Yes. And all the “rules” make soooo much sense. We wear masks from the front door to the restaurant table, but not AT the table—apparently there’s a protective COVID bubble that hovers invisibly over every occupied table. We wear them in the grocery store, despite the fact all the checkers are now in little plexiglass boxes. People wear them in their cars. ALONE! All bank tellers are in plexiglass boxes. No standing at bars. No alcohol after 10:00. DRINKING is more dangerous than eating, apparently. Groups of 9 are ok. Groups of 10 are verboten. Apparently the virus doesn’t spread among 9 people, but requires 10 or more. Riots are fine. Rallys are not. Riots are fine, funerals are not. Riots are fine, weddings are not. Masks don’t work. Then they do. Then they don’t. Then they do. Two weeks to Flatten the curve became lockdown until we eradicate the virus. Two weeks has become 8 months—and counting. Suicides up. spousal and child abuse, up. Sexual abuse, up. Murder rates, skyrocketing. Violent crime, rising in literally every major city. Lockdowns have proven NOT to work, yet we’re about to go back into them (and Europe is definitely going back into them).

Joe Biden claims he has a plan to contain and eradicate the virus. Yet he refuses to tell anyone unless he’s elected president, apparently. He only care about Americans if he’s elected president, i guess.

Yep. It all makes perfect sense.

What little plan I have heard from Biden is simply that he'll do what Trump is doing, only better.

[GannonFan]

Yes. And all the “rules” make soooo much sense. We wear masks from the front door to the restaurant table, but not AT the table—apparently there’s a protective COVID bubble that hovers invisibly over every occupied table. We wear them in the grocery store, despite the fact all the checkers are now in little plexiglass boxes. People wear them in their cars. ALONE! All bank tellers are in plexiglass boxes. No standing at bars. No alcohol after 10:00. DRINKING is more dangerous than eating, apparently. Groups of 9 are ok. Groups of 10 are verboten. Apparently the virus doesn’t spread among 9 people, but requires 10 or more. Riots are fine. Rallys are not. Riots are fine, funerals are not. Riots are fine, weddings are not. Masks don’t work. Then they do. Then they don’t. Then they do. Two weeks to Flatten the curve became lockdown until we eradicate the virus. Two weeks has become 8 months—and counting. Suicides up. spousal and child abuse, up. Sexual abuse, up. Murder rates, skyrocketing. Violent crime, rising in literally every major city. Lockdowns have proven NOT to work, yet we’re about to go back into them (and Europe is definitely going back into them).

Joe Biden claims he has a plan to contain and eradicate the virus. Yet he refuses to tell anyone unless he’s elected president, apparently. He only care about Americans if he’s elected president, i guess.

Yep. It all makes perfect sense.

Mask have been part of the protocol suggested by the medical community for a long time now, used with the other protocol. Don't listen to social media, mainstream media and political quack Doctors. These quacks have made it worse by confusing the populace, hence rising case numbers. It may be too late now, as the Government is going to force a lot more of this crap down our throats because of the social media, mainstream media and political quack Doctors. If Biden is elected it's going to get worse.

WSJ had an opinion piece yesterday with a Dr. from UCLA (guy's name is Ladapo) that said masks have been overhyped. They help a little (article cites a study that showed a 2% reduction in transmission with masks versus not wearing masks), but with this virus being so small that masks do very little to stop them from moving through the air. The issue being that non-fitted masks do little to prevent respiratory viral spread. Anecdotally, you do have to wonder. Other than the nations that could literally pull up their draw bridges and isolate completely from the world (New Zealand and Taiwan) every other country has seen the ebbs and flows of virus spread that seem to have no connection with mask wearing. We were told that Germany has almost perfect adherence to mask wearing, yet they have uncontrolled spread of the virus now, as do other European countries. And those countries can't blame the virus spread on Trump's mismanagement. I'm going to keep wearing a mask because it's better than nothing, IMO, but at the same time, baby oil as a sunscreen is still technically better than nothing, but we have years of skin cancers to say better than nothing doesn't always amount to something.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/masks-are- ... 1603927026

[UNI88]

Mask have been part of the protocol suggested by the medical community for a long time now, used with the other protocol. Don't listen to social media, mainstream media and political quack Doctors. These quacks have made it worse by confusing the populace, hence rising case numbers. It may be too late now, as the Government is going to force a lot more of this crap down our throats because of the social media, mainstream media and political quack Doctors. If Biden is elected it's going to get worse.

WSJ had an opinion piece yesterday with a Dr. from UCLA (guy's name is Ladapo) that said masks have been overhyped. They help a little (article cites a study that showed a 2% reduction in transmission with masks versus not wearing masks), but with this virus being so small that masks do very little to stop them from moving through the air. The issue being that non-fitted masks do little to prevent respiratory viral spread. Anecdotally, you do have to wonder. Other than the nations that could literally pull up their draw bridges and isolate completely from the world (New Zealand and Taiwan) every other country has seen the ebbs and flows of virus spread that seem to have no connection with mask wearing. We were told that Germany has almost perfect adherence to mask wearing, yet they have uncontrolled spread of the virus now, as do other European countries. And those countries can't blame the virus spread on Trump's mismanagement. I'm going to keep wearing a mask because it's better than nothing, IMO, but at the same time, baby oil as a sunscreen is still technically better than nothing, but we have years of skin cancers to say better than nothing doesn't always amount to something.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/masks-are- ... 1603927026

There is definitely reason to question how well your typical mask worn by the public works. We also need to ask what are the alternatives? How many people get sick or die if we just open things back up (masks optional, no restrictions on restaurants or gatherings)?

AZ's points are also valid but there is logic behind some of the restrictions whether you agree with it or not ...

• Wearing a mask into the restaurant is odd but probably based on the assumption that the tables are spaced apart and that the people at the table already spend time together.
• Wearing masks at the grocery store provides some protection for the wearer and other shoppers and those plexiglass boxes the checkers are in are not completely sealed.
• The drinking vs. eating thing is hypocritical but alcohol reduces inhibitions including physical distancing.
• Groups of 9 vs. 10 is arbitrary but what is the alternative? No limits on the size of groups?