2020 General Election

[SDHornet]

The maths will point out the statistical anomalies. Was there fraud? Of Course. Enough to sway the election? I don't think there will ever be proof of that one way or the other. Anyone thinking everything regarding mail in voting is up and up is delusion. There is a reason most European countries don't allow it.

Fraud exists but enough to swing an election? I don't think the evidence exists to support that theory. People will always try to scam an election. I don't have the facts, but I would surmise it's easier to swing a local election than a national one.

Also - I voted for POTUS but didn't vote for other races. It's possible out of millions of people, a few thousand just vote for one person and not the others. Just playing devils advocate.

Agreed, but in the WI case that's 1.5% of the vote that left everything else blank. Seems like a lot when the HoR is at stake for a "blue wave".

[SDHornet]

Biden underperformed Clinton in all major metros except 4: Milwaukee, Detroit, Atlanta, and Philadelphia. Imagine that. The fix was in..

Do you want to email or mail me the evidence you have? Whichever is easiest for you. Dropbox?

His point is why aren't other major metros seeing the same trend. Why would they not in a record turnout election?

[Skjellyfetti]

Biden underperformed Clinton in all major metros except 4: Milwaukee, Detroit, Atlanta, and Philadelphia. Imagine that. The fix was in..

False.

I'm sure there are plenty of others.

Boston, MA:
2016: 78.4%
2020: 82.5%

Houston, TX:
2016: 54%
2020: 55.8%

Dallas, TX:
2016: 60.8%
2020: 64.9%


Would you like more examples? This is easily verifiable and I'm not getting shit done at work today.

[SDHornet]

Biden underperformed Clinton in all major metros except 4: Milwaukee, Detroit, Atlanta, and Philadelphia. Imagine that. The fix was in..

False.

I'm sure there are plenty of others.

Boston, MA:
2016: 78.4%
2020: 82.5%

Houston, TX:
2016: 54%
2020: 55.8%

Dallas, TX:
2016: 60.8%
2020: 64.9%


Would you like more examples? This is easily verifiable and I'm not getting shit done at work today.

Neither of those swayed the state outcome, especially your TX examples since, you know, TX was in play or something.

[BDKJMU]

Anyone wanna tell this guy that Trump increased his support among every demographic, except white men?

Did he reach the 30% black vote predicted on these here boards?

How about indies?

Who predicted 30% black vote on here? He was 6% in 2016. I said he'd at least double that. Well, last I looked (yesterday) was 12%..

Team Brown (as of sometime yesterday) had increased from 26% to 32%.

Trump, highest percent nonwhite vote for any conk POTUS candidate in 60 years.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... r-BB1aJJJS

We've been hearing for years that the conk party needs to improve among non white voters to win POTUS election. Well greatly Trump does that, and still supposedly loses, another thing that doesn't pass the smell test.

Edit, nevermind, Baldy beat me to it.

[catbooster]

The maths will point out the statistical anomalies. Was there fraud? Of Course. Enough to sway the election? I don't think there will ever be proof of that one way or the other. Anyone thinking everything regarding mail in voting is up and up is delusion. There is a reason most European countries don't allow it.

14,952/3,240,600=0.00461 So less than 1/2% of the ballots having a vote for President but none for the House means the vote count is fraudulent? Can you explain why that makes you suspicious? Because I don't think that's surprising.

"In Wisconsin 49K people voted for a Republican House candidate down ballot but DID NOT vote for Trump." We all know there are lots of conks who don't like Trump but still prefer conk candidates to donks. I don't think this is surprising at all.

"Meanwhile, 64K people voted for Biden and did NOT vote for a Democrat house candidate." This is the same thing. Some republicans voted for Biden because they don't like Trump but will vote for conk congress to tie Biden's hands.

"Also, 14,952 people DID NOT vote for a house candidate and just voted for Prez." Significant influx of new voters, largely due to polarization about Trump - is it so surprising to you that quite a few voters (though a tiny percentage) voted only for the president?

[Skjellyfetti]

False.

I'm sure there are plenty of others.

Boston, MA:
2016: 78.4%
2020: 82.5%

Houston, TX:
2016: 54%
2020: 55.8%

Dallas, TX:
2016: 60.8%
2020: 64.9%


Would you like more examples? This is easily verifiable and I'm not getting shit done at work today.

Neither of those swayed the state outcome, especially your TX examples since, you know, TX was in play or something.

That's not what the original statement was.

With your added qualifier:

(Currently)
Phoenix (Maricopa County):
2016: 44.8%
2020: 50.9%

[Ibanez]

Fraud exists but enough to swing an election? I don't think the evidence exists to support that theory. People will always try to scam an election. I don't have the facts, but I would surmise it's easier to swing a local election than a national one.

Also - I voted for POTUS but didn't vote for other races. It's possible out of millions of people, a few thousand just vote for one person and not the others. Just playing devils advocate.

Agreed, but in the WI case that's 1.5% of the vote that left everything else blank. Seems like a lot when the HoR is at stake for a "blue wave".

You'd think if they're going to perpetrate a fraud, the Dems would make sure they won more than a couple of House and Senate seats.

[BDKJMU]

My dad and uncle grew up in Bayonne, NJ, across the street from a guy who went on to become a NJ labor leader/mobster very active in Hudson County and state politics.

My uncle knew this pretty well because they were the same age and went to school together all through high school.

Any way, years later, my uncle ran into him leaving a polling place on election day. So my uncle asked his old classmate why it took the voting precincts in that area to report vote counts.

So the guy replied: "Come on. We gotta know how many votes we need before we report."

If you think the vote counting after-the-fact is on the up and up, you're dreaming. It's almost comical that we are told to accept that the "mail-in vote" comes from Democrats as an explanation as to why every extended count results in enough votes to wipe out any lead less than 2% by a Republican on election night.

I saw PA AG Josh Shapiro explaining that all is well, that the vote counters were "volunteers," and I almost laughed out loud. Where I come from, those "volunteers" include many people very loyal to the labor unions, if you catch my drift. But I'm sure Philly is clean as a whistle.

Spot on..

[SDHornet]

Agreed, but in the WI case that's 1.5% of the vote that left everything else blank. Seems like a lot when the HoR is at stake for a "blue wave".

You'd think if they're going to perpetrate a fraud, the Dems would make sure they won more than a couple of House and Senate seats.

Can't if you're in a time crunch.

[Ibanez]

Do you want to email or mail me the evidence you have? Whichever is easiest for you. Dropbox?

His point is why aren't other major metros seeing the same trend. Why would they not in a record turnout election?

Easy - the Democrats are so incredibly clever to perpetrate a fraud across the 50 states that they forgot to drop off the fraudulent ballots for the other states.

Or maybe the USPS failed to deliver them.

My point - is that while it's strange and you have to wonder what's going on, there's no evidence to prove it. Trump has claimed there's fraud. Ok, that's a serious charge. The burden of proof is on the accuser. "What may be asserted without evidence, may be dismissed without evidence."

[Ibanez]

You'd think if they're going to perpetrate a fraud, the Dems would make sure they won more than a couple of House and Senate seats.

Can't if you're in a time crunch.

Listen, sometimes you just can't get to the post office. I agree. maybe they ran out stamps or their volunteers needed to pick up an extra shift and Burger King.

[SDHornet]

His point is why aren't other major metros seeing the same trend. Why would they not in a record turnout election?

Easy - the Democrats are so incredibly clever to perpetrate a fraud across the 50 states that they forgot to drop off the fraudulent ballots for the other states.

Or maybe the USPS failed to deliver them.

My point - is that while it's strange and you have to wonder what's going on, there's no evidence to prove it. Trump has claimed there's fraud. Ok, that's a serious charge. The burden of proof is on the accuser. "What may be asserted without evidence, may be dismissed without evidence."

Gannon touched on the election issued in PA in the other thread. There's been plenty on the interwebs regarding the poll watcher issues in various places.

[Skjellyfetti]

BDK and SDHornet suffering from some major Biden Derangment Syndrome.

OLD MAN BAD!

[SDHornet]

BDK and SDHornet suffering from some major Biden Derangment Syndrome.

OLD MAN BAD!

You wish.

[Ibanez]

Easy - the Democrats are so incredibly clever to perpetrate a fraud across the 50 states that they forgot to drop off the fraudulent ballots for the other states.

Or maybe the USPS failed to deliver them.

My point - is that while it's strange and you have to wonder what's going on, there's no evidence to prove it. Trump has claimed there's fraud. Ok, that's a serious charge. The burden of proof is on the accuser. "What may be asserted without evidence, may be dismissed without evidence."

Gannon touched on the election issued in PA in the other thread. There's been plenty on the interwebs regarding the poll watcher issues in various places.

I'm sure the GOP has evidence and we'll get to the bottom of this.

Btw, I'm not trivializing the charge. I'm just suspicious of people that make claims, w/ no evidence, when they're losing.

I'm losing b/c of fraud!!

Ok, where? Show me your evidence.

[BDKJMU]

at people thinking there wouldn't be rampant fraud caused by mail in voting.

Yep, I don't know whether I should or at their naivete..

[UNI88]

Reading that too. If Never Trumpers were splitting votes, Trump should have less votes than the GOP down ballot. He doesn't.

Biden is the one who has more vote than the Dem down ballot...all in swing states.

Like you said. People simply voted for Biden and didn't bother to vote for anyone else apparently in swing states.

The maths will point out the statistical anomalies. Was there fraud? Of Course. Enough to sway the election? I don't think there will ever be proof of that one way or the other. Anyone thinking everything regarding mail in voting is up and up is delusion. There is a reason most European countries don't allow it.

Yes there was fraud and we won't know if it was enough to swing the election. The other thing we'll never know is did the fraud have a greater impact on the election than Republican efforts to minimize the impact of mail-in ballots (changes to postal procedures, not being allowed to begin counting ballots until election day, trying to stop counting at the end of election day, etc.).

Mail-in voting works well in Oregon and and the conservatives and liberals that I've talked to love it. Eventually we'll be voting with our phones and it should be easier to make sure it's one vote per registered voter.

[Ibanez]

BDK and SDHornet suffering from some major Biden Derangment Syndrome.

OLD MAN BAD!

SD is a good dude. I get his position. He goes about defending and debating this the right way.*


*This is a paid endorsement by SDHornet.

[Ibanez]

at people thinking there wouldn't be rampant fraud caused by mail in voting.

Yep, I don't know whether I should or at their naivete..

I feel the same way at people thinking Trump was an honorable man

[SDHornet]

Gannon touched on the election issued in PA in the other thread. There's been plenty on the interwebs regarding the poll watcher issues in various places.

I'm sure the GOP has evidence and we'll get to the bottom of this.

Btw, I'm not trivializing the charge. I'm just suspicious of people that make claims, w/ no evidence, when they're losing.

I'm losing b/c of fraud!!

Ok, where? Show me your evidence.

My claim is the math/statistical irregularities will point them out. Massive ballot dumps with zero votes one way or the other is pretty much statically impossible.

[SunCoastBlueHen]

Did he reach the 30% black vote predicted on these here boards?

How about indies?

Who predicted 30% black vote on here? He was 6% in 2016. I said he'd at least double that. Well, last I looked (yesterday) was 12%..

Team Brown (as of sometime yesterday) had increased from 26% to 32%.

Trump, highest percent nonwhite vote for any conk POTUS candidate in 60 years.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... r-BB1aJJJS

We've been hearing for years that the conk party needs to improve among non white voters to win POTUS election. Well greatly Trump does that, and still supposedly loses, another thing that doesn't pass the smell test.

Edit, nevermind, Baldy beat me to it.

You are a serious red kool-aid guzzlin' MF'er

[SDHornet]

BDK and SDHornet suffering from some major Biden Derangment Syndrome.

OLD MAN BAD!

SD is a good dude. I get his position. He goes about defending and debating this the right way.*


*This is a paid endorsement by SDHornet.

Hey, my payment included large bold font. No tacos for you.

[BDKJMU]

Lashing out at the Republicans now.

*Except Ron DeSantis.

Jr ain't wrong, Republican politicians are pussies. I expect them to return to that when Trump is gone.

Yep, all the RINOs and a lot of the establishment types are. I don't know if its a plurality of the conks in office, but there's an awful lot of them that have no backbone..

[Ibanez]

The maths will point out the statistical anomalies. Was there fraud? Of Course. Enough to sway the election? I don't think there will ever be proof of that one way or the other. Anyone thinking everything regarding mail in voting is up and up is delusion. There is a reason most European countries don't allow it.

Yes there was fraud and we won't know if it was enough to swing the election. The other thing we'll never know is did the fraud have a greater impact on the election than Republican efforts to minimize the impact of mail-in ballots (changes to postal procedures, not being allowed to begin counting ballots until election day, trying to stop counting at the end of election day, etc.).

Mail-in voting works well in Oregon and and the conservatives and liberals that I've talked to love it. Eventually we'll be voting with our phones and it should be easier to make sure it's one vote per registered voter.

I posted a diatribe long ago about voting by phone. As a Cyber Security professional for one of the largest banks in the world, I understand the risks and vulnerabilities which exist. I also understand the tech that can greatly minimize those risks.