2020 General Election

[Ibanez]

Right, but by supporting his policies, you've supported the man. And it's emboldened him to act like this. You can't separate the politician from the policy. They go hand in hand.


We threw out the baby with the bath water...he just keeps crying b/c he's not getting his way.

You're trying to conflate Trump's foreign/economic/domestic policies with Trumps terrible behavior and rage tweets. Your statement is intellectually dishonest.

No. I believe a person's upbringing, experiences, their character, well shape how they will govern. I'm not saying Biden is perfect and he's not my ideal President.


It just doesn't make sense to me. Trump loss ergo it was because of voter fraud. That's the only reason he could've lost the election?

[Gil Dobie]

Where do you see numbers exceeding registered voters? The site for Milwaukee shows less voters than registered voters.

Official Milwaukee vote Link

273 City of Milwaukee Ward 273 - 671 612 Registered voters followed by people that voted, less than 100%.
274 City of Milwaukee Ward 274 - 702 611

Hogan's post on the previous page.

Where are they getting their info in the tweet, my link to the official Milwaukee county vote shows a different number than the link.

[SDHornet]

You're trying to conflate Trump's foreign/economic/domestic policies with Trumps terrible behavior and rage tweets. Your statement is intellectually dishonest.

No. I believe a person's upbringing, experiences, their character, well shape how they will govern. I'm not saying Biden is perfect and he's not my ideal President.


It just doesn't make sense to me. Trump loss ergo it was because of voter fraud. That's the only reason he could've lost the election?

I agree, and I'm not talking about Biden. He's just as corrupt and vile as any other career politician.

The "if you supported his policies then you also support the man" is a dangerous road to go down. There are literally people making lists so this mindset is not something to take lightly and make brazen claims like that will certainly not lead to any unity in the country.

Regarding Trump not conceding, the courts will settle it as that's their function.

[Ibanez]

Just that - multiple states, cities, counites. 10s of 1000s of votes. I've never once said it's impossible to commit fraud or that it occurs. I just question the ability to covertly execute such a plan across 4 or 5 metro areas in an attempt to narrowly win. It doesn't make sense to me. Why go through the trouble, just to win by less than 1% in some states. And why go through the trouble to NOT make sure down ballot candidates also won.

Oh, so you're assuming the whole thing was coordinated, rather than each localized political machine doing the thing they have been doing for years. I don't think there was some conference where all the fraudsters got together and said, "ok, here's the plan..." They don't need to be told what to do as it's what they've been doing for years.

Same goes for the other side.

Yes, i've been saying that for almost a week. Even if it wasn't coordinated, several metro areas independently conspired to narrowly win a Presidential election but lose Congressional elections?

Maybe it's just me...but if I'm going to commit election fraud to put a D or R in the White House, i'm going to make sure they win down ballot races. And by a good margin. Not less than 1%.

[SDHornet]

Oh, so you're assuming the whole thing was coordinated, rather than each localized political machine doing the thing they have been doing for years. I don't think there was some conference where all the fraudsters got together and said, "ok, here's the plan..." They don't need to be told what to do as it's what they've been doing for years.

Same goes for the other side.

Yes, i've been saying that for almost a week. Even if it wasn't coordinated, several metro areas independently conspired to narrowly win a Presidential election but lose Congressional elections?

Maybe it's just me...but if I'm going to commit election fraud to put a D or R in the White House, i'm going to make sure they win down ballot races. And by a good margin. Not less than 1%.

Bro, they do this fraudulent stuff every election. This isn't a one off.

[Ibanez]

I look forward to the Trump Campaign providing evidence of fraud, fraud so massive as to cost him the election. I expect to see a few votes here and there. That's not the argument. The argument is that 10s of 1000s of ballots were fraudulent and swung the election towards Biden. I hope they've uncovered it all because a few hundred across multiple metros isn't going to change the outcome.


I'll gladly eat crow if it occurs.

[Ibanez]

Yes, i've been saying that for almost a week. Even if it wasn't coordinated, several metro areas independently conspired to narrowly win a Presidential election but lose Congressional elections?

Maybe it's just me...but if I'm going to commit election fraud to put a D or R in the White House, i'm going to make sure they win down ballot races. And by a good margin. Not less than 1%.

Bro, they do this fraudulent stuff every election. This isn't a one off.

I think you all are missing where i've said countless times I know this shit occurs. It's not that did it occur or not. I assume it always does at some level.

[Skjellyfetti]

[SDHornet]

I look forward to the Trump Campaign providing evidence of fraud, fraud so massive as to cost him the election. I expect to see a few votes here and there. That's not the argument. The argument is that 10s of 1000s of ballots were fraudulent and swung the election towards Biden. I hope they've uncovered it all because a few hundred across multiple metros isn't going to change the outcome.


I'll gladly eat crow if it occurs.

Agree and I think the only way Trump's cases gain traction is the "software glitch". It accounted for one election result flipping in MI as 6k votes went to the wrong candidate. That's one hell of a "glitch" This same software was used in 30 states and in every swing state.

[kalm]

No. I believe a person's upbringing, experiences, their character, well shape how they will govern. I'm not saying Biden is perfect and he's not my ideal President.


It just doesn't make sense to me. Trump loss ergo it was because of voter fraud. That's the only reason he could've lost the election?

I agree, and I'm not talking about Biden. He's just as corrupt and vile as any other career politician.

The "if you supported his policies then you also support the man" is a dangerous road to go down. There are literally people making lists so this mindset is not something to take lightly and make brazen claims like that will certainly not lead to any unity in the country.

Regarding Trump not conceding, the courts will settle it as that's their function.

What kind of lists?

[Ibanez]

I look forward to the Trump Campaign providing evidence of fraud, fraud so massive as to cost him the election. I expect to see a few votes here and there. That's not the argument. The argument is that 10s of 1000s of ballots were fraudulent and swung the election towards Biden. I hope they've uncovered it all because a few hundred across multiple metros isn't going to change the outcome.


I'll gladly eat crow if it occurs.

Agree and I think the only way Trump's cases gain traction is the "software glitch". It accounted for one election result flipping in MI as 6k votes went to the wrong candidate. That's one hell of a "glitch" This same software was used in 30 states and in every swing state.

Exactly, IF there was a widespread error, that is where I would expect it. It would have been an accident and NOT the effort of Democrats.

[kalm]

I look forward to the Trump Campaign providing evidence of fraud, fraud so massive as to cost him the election. I expect to see a few votes here and there. That's not the argument. The argument is that 10s of 1000s of ballots were fraudulent and swung the election towards Biden. I hope they've uncovered it all because a few hundred across multiple metros isn't going to change the outcome.


I'll gladly eat crow if it occurs.

Agree and I think the only way Trump's cases gain traction is the "software glitch". It accounted for one election result flipping in MI as 6k votes went to the wrong candidate. That's one hell of a "glitch" This same software was used in 30 states and in every swing state.

It flipped the election?

[SeattleGriz]

Agree and I think the only way Trump's cases gain traction is the "software glitch". It accounted for one election result flipping in MI as 6k votes went to the wrong candidate. That's one hell of a "glitch" This same software was used in 30 states and in every swing state.

Exactly, IF there was a widespread error, that is where I would expect it. It would have been an accident and NOT the effort of Democrats.

Are you saying that code "glitches"? That it goes off its programming?

[BDKJMU]

I'm rarely a supporter of a politician. I always support certain policies.
Trump, the person, is easily unlikable. And I'm in that camp. But I absolutely loved many of his policies, or intended policies.
I have a problem when people can't distinguish between the person and the policies. It's bad enough when people can't identify good and bad policies. In my mind, this election was the equivalent of throwing out the baby with the bath water.

So the answer to your question is obvious. I don't like the style, or "tantrum" as you put it. I'm not sure why you would even ask that question. But I support post-election investigations.

Right, but by supporting his policies, you've supported the man. And it's emboldened him to act like this. You can't separate the politician from the policy. They go hand in hand.


We threw out the baby with the bath water...he just keeps crying b/c he's not getting his way.

So you’re going to tell me if a pol you think is a bad person does something you think is really good, if you don’t come out against that policy, you are supporting the man

Well, by that twisted logic then, if there is a single Trump policy you support, then you support Trump.

[Ibanez]

Exactly, IF there was a widespread error, that is where I would expect it. It would have been an accident and NOT the effort of Democrats.

Are you saying that code "glitches"? That it goes off its programming?

A glitch is a minor fault. It could be a programmer accidentally assigning R a number and D a number to be tabulated. The code instructions or the source code could have an error or didn't interact with an operating system update. There are a number of reasons and they don't necessarily mean that a human purposefully did something wrong.

[GannonFan]

Oh, so you're assuming the whole thing was coordinated, rather than each localized political machine doing the thing they have been doing for years. I don't think there was some conference where all the fraudsters got together and said, "ok, here's the plan..." They don't need to be told what to do as it's what they've been doing for years.

Same goes for the other side.

Yes, i've been saying that for almost a week. Even if it wasn't coordinated, several metro areas independently conspired to narrowly win a Presidential election but lose Congressional elections?

Maybe it's just me...but if I'm going to commit election fraud to put a D or R in the White House, i'm going to make sure they win down ballot races. And by a good margin. Not less than 1%.

I don't believe there's widespread fraud, but just commenting on your point - were Congressional seats lost in those metro areas? In Philly at least, there's no chance a GOP candidate could win, they're solid blue in Philly. Were seats lost elsewhere in metro areas? I thought most of the losses the Dems had were in non-metro areas.

[Ibanez]

Right, but by supporting his policies, you've supported the man. And it's emboldened him to act like this. You can't separate the politician from the policy. They go hand in hand.


We threw out the baby with the bath water...he just keeps crying b/c he's not getting his way.

So you’re going to tell me if a pol you think is a bad person does something you think is really good, if you don’t come out against that policy, you are supporting the man

Well, by that twisted logic then, if there is a single Trump policy you support, then you support Trump.

You may base your vote off policies but ultimately you're voting for a person. And that person is going to be flawed - some more than others. It's something you have to weigh. And yes, by supporting Trumps policy you are giving the man your support. I didn't say you give him 100% of your support of you agree with every thing but it's stands to reason that support of one is an implied support of the other - at least to some extent.

We've gone over this, the character of a person matters to me. I care what people say and do. It shows me what kind of person they are and how they'll reach to situations. For example, If they show no compassion, empathy or humility then I wouldn't expect their actions or decisions to contain any of those elements.

[SeattleGriz]

This is about ineligible votes, not voter fraud. You'll never prove fraud in a manner the courts care about. Trump is going after the ineligible votes and plainly stated that.

[kalm]

So you’re going to tell me if a pol you think is a bad person does something you think is really good, if you don’t come out against that policy, you are supporting the man

Well, by that twisted logic then, if there is a single Trump policy you support, then you support Trump.

You may base your vote off policies but ultimately you're voting for a person. And that person is going to be flawed - some more than others. It's something you have to weigh. And yes, by supporting Trumps policy you are giving the man your support. I didn't say you give him 100% of your support of you agree with every thing but it's stands to reason that support of one is an implied support of the other - at least to some extent.

We've gone over this, the character of a person matters to me. I care what people say and do. It shows me what kind of person they are and how they'll reach to situations. For example, If they show no compassion, empathy or humility then I wouldn't expect their actions or decisions to contain any of those elements.

[BDKJMU]

So you’re going to tell me if a pol you think is a bad person does something you think is really good, if you don’t come out against that policy, you are supporting the man

Well, by that twisted logic then, if there is a single Trump policy you support, then you support Trump.

You may base your vote off policies but ultimately you're voting for a person. And that person is going to be flawed - some more than others. It's something you have to weigh. And yes, by supporting Trumps policy you are giving the man your support. I didn't say you give him 100% of your support of you agree with every thing but it's stands to reason that support of one is an implied support of the other - at least to some extent.

We've gone over this, the character of a person matters to me. I care what people say and do. It shows me what kind of person they are and how they'll reach to situations. For example, If they show no compassion, empathy or humility then I wouldn't expect their actions or decisions to contain any of those elements.

Nice backtrack. According to your original statement,

Right, but by supporting his policies, you've supported the man.

So by the logic of your statement, if you are not against any of the stuff that’s got broad bioartisan support like USMCA, VA Reform, CJ reform, ME Peace deal, etc, then you supported Trump.

[SDHornet]

I agree, and I'm not talking about Biden. He's just as corrupt and vile as any other career politician.

The "if you supported his policies then you also support the man" is a dangerous road to go down. There are literally people making lists so this mindset is not something to take lightly and make brazen claims like that will certainly not lead to any unity in the country.

Regarding Trump not conceding, the courts will settle it as that's their function.

What kind of lists?

Ask AOC, her peeps are the ones pushing it.

[SDHornet]

Agree and I think the only way Trump's cases gain traction is the "software glitch". It accounted for one election result flipping in MI as 6k votes went to the wrong candidate. That's one hell of a "glitch" This same software was used in 30 states and in every swing state.

It flipped the election?

Yep, it impacted a MI state legislature seat. An article on it was posted earlier.

[Skjellyfetti]

[SDHornet]

Agree and I think the only way Trump's cases gain traction is the "software glitch". It accounted for one election result flipping in MI as 6k votes went to the wrong candidate. That's one hell of a "glitch" This same software was used in 30 states and in every swing state.

Exactly, IF there was a widespread error, that is where I would expect it. It would have been an accident and NOT the effort of Democrats.

We don't know it was widespread, so it should be investigated. Shouldn't be hard to do with some hand ballot counting verification.

[kalm]

It flipped the election?

Yep, it impacted a MI state legislature seat. An article on it was posted earlier.

It didn’t. It was caught before the votes were added. Failed software update.