Coronavirus COVID-19

[SeattleGriz]

Interesting graph. Maybe some of the better data guys could take a guess as to why the percent positive rate seems to be tracking with the testing rate?








Weekly deaths still dropping.

The National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) collects death certificate data from vital statistics offices for all deaths occurring in the United States. Based on death certificate data available on November 12, 2020, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia, influenza, or COVID-19 (PIC) for week 45 was 8.9% and, while it is declining compared with the percentage during week 44, it remains above the epidemic threshold. The weekly percentage of deaths due to PIC declined from a second peak at the end of July through mid- September, remained approximately stable from the week ending September 19 through the week ending October 3, and increased during the first three weeks of October. Data for the most recent two weeks currently show a decline, but percentages for recent weeks will likely increase as more death certificates are processed.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... index.html

[Gil Dobie]

Interesting graph. Maybe some of the better data guys could take a guess as to why the percent positive rate seems to be tracking with the testing rate?








Weekly deaths still dropping.

The National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) collects death certificate data from vital statistics offices for all deaths occurring in the United States. Based on death certificate data available on November 12, 2020, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia, influenza, or COVID-19 (PIC) for week 45 was 8.9% and, while it is declining compared with the percentage during week 44, it remains above the epidemic threshold. The weekly percentage of deaths due to PIC declined from a second peak at the end of July through mid- September, remained approximately stable from the week ending September 19 through the week ending October 3, and increased during the first three weeks of October. Data for the most recent two weeks currently show a decline, but percentages for recent weeks will likely increase as more death certificates are processed.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... index.html

Curious why Montana set a record for deaths in a day just today? Another state besides Minnesota, not taking care of the vulnerable and elderly.

[SeattleGriz]

Interesting graph. Maybe some of the better data guys could take a guess as to why the percent positive rate seems to be tracking with the testing rate?








Weekly deaths still dropping.





https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... index.html

Curious why Montana set a record for deaths in a day just today? Another state besides Minnesota, not taking care of the vulnerable and elderly.

Wonder if they are nursing home deaths, because if they are general population, I would say it was due to complacency.

You can't help people if they won't take care of themselves.

[Gil Dobie]

Curious why Montana set a record for deaths in a day just today? Another state besides Minnesota, not taking care of the vulnerable and elderly.

Wonder if they are nursing home deaths, because if they are general population, I would say it was due to complacency.

You can't help people if they won't take care of themselves.

It's vulnerable and elderly, probably having it brought to them from outside the home. Why don't these people matter? Did you not listen to Trump, when he said the vaccine will allow these people to enjoy their golden years. That are not just old people and vulnerable, they are parents, grandparents, or war vets, an accumulation of great family and historical knowledge. Look at the respect Ted Williams had from baseball players and fans. What player didn't ask him for hitting tips. Many great examples outside of the celebrity world that have so much to give, and are threatened by this. My respect to them, is to do my best not to spread this crap to the next person.

[Gil Dobie]

[SeattleGriz]

Wonder if they are nursing home deaths, because if they are general population, I would say it was due to complacency.

You can't help people if they won't take care of themselves.

It's vulnerable and elderly, probably having it brought to them from outside the home. Why don't these people matter? Did you not listen to Trump, when he said the vaccine will allow these people to enjoy their golden years. That are not just old people and vulnerable, they are parents, grandparents, or war vets, an accumulation of great family and historical knowledge. Look at the respect Ted Williams had from baseball players and fans. What player didn't ask him for hitting tips. Many great examples outside of the celebrity world that have so much to give, and are threatened by this. My respect to them, is to do my best not to spread this crap to the next person.

The vulnerable and elderly need to take more precautions as well, unless they are bed ridden.

I'll say it again. During the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, my wife was very immunocompromised due to receiving chemotherapy for bone cancer. 60 million people contracted that flu. Nobody wore masks and nobody social distanced and no businesses shut down.

I was calling on doctor's offices as a laboratory sales rep and more importantly, my wife still had to not only go to the cancer center for check ups, but get admitted to the hospital about every 10 days for her chemo, which lasted anywhere from 4 days to a week depending on the variety.

She didn't contract the flu because WE exercised better judgement. WE didn't need anyone else to do their part. The same holds true here. If you are susceptible, take care of yourself and stop counting on others to protect you.

[kalm]

Wonder if they are nursing home deaths, because if they are general population, I would say it was due to complacency.

You can't help people if they won't take care of themselves.

It's vulnerable and elderly, probably having it brought to them from outside the home. Why don't these people matter? Did you not listen to Trump, when he said the vaccine will allow these people to enjoy their golden years. That are not just old people and vulnerable, they are parents, grandparents, or war vets, an accumulation of great family and historical knowledge. Look at the respect Ted Williams had from baseball players and fans. What player didn't ask him for hitting tips. Many great examples outside of the celebrity world that have so much to give, and are threatened by this. My respect to them, is to do my best not to spread this crap to the next person.

And SG touched on another big part of the problem. People unable to help themselves was an easier buy when their self destruction wasn’t contagious and/or it wasn’t consequence free to them while killing another.

Oddly, some Christians seem to be among the most amoral of all. EG: Alito’s video on how freedom ain’t free.

[Gil Dobie]

It's vulnerable and elderly, probably having it brought to them from outside the home. Why don't these people matter? Did you not listen to Trump, when he said the vaccine will allow these people to enjoy their golden years. That are not just old people and vulnerable, they are parents, grandparents, or war vets, an accumulation of great family and historical knowledge. Look at the respect Ted Williams had from baseball players and fans. What player didn't ask him for hitting tips. Many great examples outside of the celebrity world that have so much to give, and are threatened by this. My respect to them, is to do my best not to spread this crap to the next person.

The vulnerable and elderly need to take more precautions as well, unless they are bed ridden.

I'll say it again. During the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, my wife was very immunocompromised due to receiving chemotherapy for bone cancer. 60 million people contracted that flu. Nobody wore masks and nobody social distanced and no businesses shut down.

I was calling on doctor's offices as a laboratory sales rep and more importantly, my wife still had to not only go to the cancer center for check ups, but get admitted to the hospital about every 10 days for her chemo, which lasted anywhere from 4 days to a week depending on the variety.

She didn't contract the flu because WE exercised better judgement. WE didn't need anyone else to do their part. The same holds true here. If you are susceptible, take care of yourself and stop counting on others to protect you.

It's a general rule of thumb, don't visit the elderly and vulnerable if you have the flu, and there is a flu vaccine, which many people ignore. At least its common sense to me to not visit or have a flu shot. It reduces the chance of spreading to the wrong person. With Covid, there are many that don't realize they have it. Young workers that don't know they have covid, visit and work at 55 and older living centers. You can stay in your apartment, but you still need younger people to bring food there. It's not the elderly and vulnerable fault if people bring covid into their living facility. How do the individuals that live in these situations stop covid by themselves?

[kalm]

It's vulnerable and elderly, probably having it brought to them from outside the home. Why don't these people matter? Did you not listen to Trump, when he said the vaccine will allow these people to enjoy their golden years. That are not just old people and vulnerable, they are parents, grandparents, or war vets, an accumulation of great family and historical knowledge. Look at the respect Ted Williams had from baseball players and fans. What player didn't ask him for hitting tips. Many great examples outside of the celebrity world that have so much to give, and are threatened by this. My respect to them, is to do my best not to spread this crap to the next person.

The vulnerable and elderly need to take more precautions as well, unless they are bed ridden.

I'll say it again. During the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, my wife was very immunocompromised due to receiving chemotherapy for bone cancer. 60 million people contracted that flu. Nobody wore masks and nobody social distanced and no businesses shut down.

I was calling on doctor's offices as a laboratory sales rep and more importantly, my wife still had to not only go to the cancer center for check ups, but get admitted to the hospital about every 10 days for her chemo, which lasted anywhere from 4 days to a week depending on the variety.

She didn't contract the flu because WE exercised better judgement. WE didn't need anyone else to do their part. The same holds true here. If you are susceptible, take care of yourself and stop counting on others to protect you.

It would be great if this was just H1N1.

[SeattleGriz]

The vulnerable and elderly need to take more precautions as well, unless they are bed ridden.

I'll say it again. During the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, my wife was very immunocompromised due to receiving chemotherapy for bone cancer. 60 million people contracted that flu. Nobody wore masks and nobody social distanced and no businesses shut down.

I was calling on doctor's offices as a laboratory sales rep and more importantly, my wife still had to not only go to the cancer center for check ups, but get admitted to the hospital about every 10 days for her chemo, which lasted anywhere from 4 days to a week depending on the variety.

She didn't contract the flu because WE exercised better judgement. WE didn't need anyone else to do their part. The same holds true here. If you are susceptible, take care of yourself and stop counting on others to protect you.

It would be great if this was just H1N1.

Dude. My wife had to go to the hospital because of a cat bite when she was on chemo. They loaded her up on meds to get it under control. She was highly susceptible to contracting H1N1. H1N1 was more prevalent, just not as lethal due to the flu having been around since forever.

COVID is going to find those that are susceptible. After that, it should drop down in lethality unless it mutates enough that the body doesn't recognize it very well. The vaccine will hopefully help those that need it.

I also keep bringing up the point of comorbidities. I'm sure it would be very enlightening if we could compare 2009's level of fitness to 2020. People are much more obese and sedentary than in 2009.

[kalm]

It would be great if this was just H1N1.

Dude. My wife had to go to the hospital because of a cat bite when she was on chemo. They loaded her up on meds to get it under control. She was highly susceptible to contracting H1N1. H1N1 was more prevalent, just not as lethal due to the flu having been around since forever.

COVID is going to find those that are susceptible. After that, it should drop down in lethality unless it mutates enough that the body doesn't recognize it very well. The vaccine will hopefully help those that need it.

I also keep bringing up the point of comorbidities. I'm sure it would be very enlightening if we could compare 2009's level of fitness to 2020. People are much more obese and sedentary than in 2009.

Dude...I’m in a similar boat.

But both the infection rate and the mortality rate are higher with covid.

Not the same. Even IF you could get compliance with those over 65 being removed from the economy.

[SeattleGriz]

The vulnerable and elderly need to take more precautions as well, unless they are bed ridden.

I'll say it again. During the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, my wife was very immunocompromised due to receiving chemotherapy for bone cancer. 60 million people contracted that flu. Nobody wore masks and nobody social distanced and no businesses shut down.

I was calling on doctor's offices as a laboratory sales rep and more importantly, my wife still had to not only go to the cancer center for check ups, but get admitted to the hospital about every 10 days for her chemo, which lasted anywhere from 4 days to a week depending on the variety.

She didn't contract the flu because WE exercised better judgement. WE didn't need anyone else to do their part. The same holds true here. If you are susceptible, take care of yourself and stop counting on others to protect you.

It's a general rule of thumb, don't visit the elderly and vulnerable if you have the flu, and there is a flu vaccine, which many people ignore. At least its common sense to me to not visit or have a flu shot. It reduces the chance of spreading to the wrong person. With Covid, there are many that don't realize they have it. Young workers that don't know they have covid, visit and work at 55 and older living centers. You can stay in your apartment, but you still need younger people to bring food there. It's not the elderly and vulnerable fault if people bring covid into their living facility. How do the individuals that live in these situations stop covid by themselves?

That's a fair point as my wife and I worked as a team. I guess they need to set up a protocol for safety with outside family members like wearing a mask and washing hands immediately upon entering the "sterile field".

I watched a gal the other day standing outside the grocery store smoking a cigarette. While on her phone, she did the move we've all seen people do. Apparently had a runny nose and used her index finger to her thumb to proceed to wipe her nose. She didn't even realize by how intently she was into her phone and cigarette. You can damn well bet she then entered to store and touched items with that dirty hand.

[Gil Dobie]

It's a general rule of thumb, don't visit the elderly and vulnerable if you have the flu, and there is a flu vaccine, which many people ignore. At least its common sense to me to not visit or have a flu shot. It reduces the chance of spreading to the wrong person. With Covid, there are many that don't realize they have it. Young workers that don't know they have covid, visit and work at 55 and older living centers. You can stay in your apartment, but you still need younger people to bring food there. It's not the elderly and vulnerable fault if people bring covid into their living facility. How do the individuals that live in these situations stop covid by themselves?

That's a fair point as my wife and I worked as a team. I guess they need to set up a protocol for safety with outside family members like wearing a mask and washing hands immediately upon entering the "sterile field".

I watched a gal the other day standing outside the grocery store smoking a cigarette. While on her phone, she did the move we've all seen people do. Apparently had a runny nose and used her index finger to her thumb to proceed to wipe her nose. She didn't even realize by how intently she was into her phone and cigarette. You can damn well bet she then entered to store and touched items with that dirty hand.

That's why I carry Purell in my car, and I've made it a habit to use every time I get in it from a store or post office.

[SeattleGriz]

That's a fair point as my wife and I worked as a team. I guess they need to set up a protocol for safety with outside family members like wearing a mask and washing hands immediately upon entering the "sterile field".

I watched a gal the other day standing outside the grocery store smoking a cigarette. While on her phone, she did the move we've all seen people do. Apparently had a runny nose and used her index finger to her thumb to proceed to wipe her nose. She didn't even realize by how intently she was into her phone and cigarette. You can damn well bet she then entered to store and touched items with that dirty hand.

That's why I carry Purell in my car, and I've made it a habit to use every time I get in it from a store or post office.

Same here. I follow all the rules asked of me, I just simply believe that you'll never get people to give a shit, when in many instances they don't care enough about themselves.

[kalm]

That's why I carry Purell in my car, and I've made it a habit to use every time I get in it from a store or post office.

Same here. I follow all the rules asked of me, I just simply believe that you'll never get people to give a shit, when in many instances they don't care enough about themselves.

[Gil Dobie]

That's why I carry Purell in my car, and I've made it a habit to use every time I get in it from a store or post office.

Same here. I follow all the rules asked of me, I just simply believe that you'll never get people to give a shit, when in many instances they don't care enough about themselves.

So True

[kalm]

Same here. I follow all the rules asked of me, I just simply believe that you'll never get people to give a shit, when in many instances they don't care enough about themselves.

So True

Btw, just saw where ND is going to a mask mandate.

SG, odds that Inslee moves us back to phase 1 today?

[SeattleGriz]

So True

Btw, just saw where ND is going to a mask mandate.

SG, odds that Inslee moves us back to phase 1 today?

Odds are good. Read a news bulletin he was going to do that.

[SeattleGriz]

So True

Btw, just saw where ND is going to a mask mandate.

SG, odds that Inslee moves us back to phase 1 today?

Here is the Washington State Data Dashboard.

https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/COVI ... aDashboard

Washington is doing great actually as far as deaths are concerned. Just a little over 1.14 a day.

[kalm]

Btw, just saw where ND is going to a mask mandate.

SG, odds that Inslee moves us back to phase 1 today?

Here is the Washington State Data Dashboard.

https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/COVI ... aDashboard

Washington is doing great actually as far as deaths are concerned. Just a little over 1.14 a day.

Bars, restaurants, indoor rec/fitness, limiting retail to 25% occupancy, social gatherings, weddings, funerals....

Welcome back March!

[BDKJMU]

Here is the Washington State Data Dashboard.

https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/COVI ... aDashboard

Washington is doing great actually as far as deaths are concerned. Just a little over 1.14 a day.

Bars, restaurants, indoor rec/fitness, limiting retail to 25% occupancy, social gatherings, weddings, funerals....

Welcome back March!

Gatherings with people outside a single household will be prohibited unless those involved have quarantined for a week and tested negative for the coronavirus.

So he's trying to cancel Thanksgiving. And how pray tell, is that going to be enforced? Even if they police & public health officials spent entire shifts going door to door, which of course they couldn't do because of other duties, there would only be enough to cover a fraction of homes.

[kalm]

Bars, restaurants, indoor rec/fitness, limiting retail to 25% occupancy, social gatherings, weddings, funerals....

Welcome back March!

Gatherings with people outside a single household will be prohibited unless those involved have quarantined for a week and tested negative for the coronavirus.

So he's trying to cancel Thanksgiving. And how pray tell, is that going to be enforced? Even if they police & public health officials spent entire shifts going door to door, which of course they couldn't do because of other duties, there would only be enough to cover a fraction of homes.

It won’t. I’m going to roast a duck, make green bean casserole, open the can of cranberries, and ignore the family while football is on just like most other Thanksgivings.

[UNI88]

Bars, restaurants, indoor rec/fitness, limiting retail to 25% occupancy, social gatherings, weddings, funerals....

Welcome back March!

Gatherings with people outside a single household will be prohibited unless those involved have quarantined for a week and tested negative for the coronavirus.

So he's trying to cancel Thanksgiving. And how pray tell, is that going to be enforced? Even if they police & public health officials spent entire shifts going door to door, which of course they couldn't do because of other duties, there would only be enough to cover a fraction of homes.

They're hoping neighborhood Gladys' call the local Stasi office on people with too many people over.

Oregon Gov. Kate Brown says large parties could trigger fines or jail time during coronavirus ‘freeze’

Let's throw people into jails crowded with people who flouted gathering rules. That makes a lot of sense.

[kalm]

So he's trying to cancel Thanksgiving. And how pray tell, is that going to be enforced? Even if they police & public health officials spent entire shifts going door to door, which of course they couldn't do because of other duties, there would only be enough to cover a fraction of homes.

They're hoping neighborhood Gladys' call the local Stasi office on people with too many people over.

Oregon Gov. Kate Brown says large parties could trigger fines or jail time during coronavirus ‘freeze’

Let's throw people into jails crowded with people who flouted gathering rules. That makes a lot of sense.

Well they tried asking please first.

[UNI88]

They're hoping neighborhood Gladys' call the local Stasi office on people with too many people over.

Oregon Gov. Kate Brown says large parties could trigger fines or jail time during coronavirus ‘freeze’

Let's throw people into jails crowded with people who flouted gathering rules. That makes a lot of sense.

Well they tried asking please first.

I understand that but I have three problems here:

1. To have any impact it requires denunciations by neighbors which is a authoritarian (Hitler, Stalin, etc.) tactic.
2. Throwing people in jail for flouting gathering restrictions is absurdly contradictory. Authorities are upset with gatherings where people have control over the who, how & where so they might punish them by throwing them into a possibly crowded facility where they don't have that control. How do the risks of exposure in jail compare to a gathering with friends?
3. Local and state authorities went out of their way to not charge people who were involved in violence and destruction during the riots but they want to throw the book at people who get together for a peaceful social gathering?