Coronavirus COVID-19

[CAA Flagship]

You have Subway twice.

Stop padding the stats.

[SDHornet]

Mask are suppose to catch the big luggies and spit when you cough and sneeze, not individual virus.

Hence why they're not terribly effective. Heck, think of all the people who pull their masks off to sneeze and there goes the main function of the mask, and it wasn't even that effective of a function to begin with. Vaccine can't come soon enough.

Bingo. I don't know how well mask wearing caught on state-wide of nation-wide, but everyone in my neck of the woods is almost always wearing one around stores. So based on this anecdotal observation, the Sacramento area shouldn't be seeing another wave of cases nor should we be ratcheting up to a more strict tier if wearing a mask significantly effective in combating the spread.

Of course this "wave" could also just be the seasonal flu kicking in with the typical hysterics from the msm.

BTW CA 7 day death average is down to 42.

[89Hen]

You have Subway twice.

Stop padding the stats.

There were two in the same shopping center.

[kalm]

You can’t pity someone for their actions? I was brought up to think you should.

One can, I was saying you don't.

Ouch, that hurts...and you’d be wrong.

[89Hen]

One can, I was saying you don't.

Ouch, that hurts...and you’d be wrong.

I guess you're a better person for really caring about people you call stupid, dumb and pussified.

[kalm]

Ouch, that hurts...and you’d be wrong.

I guess you're a better person for really caring about people you call stupid, dumb and pussified.

Better person than whom? A person who doesn’t genuinely pity people who’s actions cause them to be stupid, dumb, and pussified?

Are you feeling guilty because you can’t?

You’re not an anti-masker are ya?

[AZGrizFan]

Hard to make that call - heck, this could be what "slowing the spread" looks like. Maybe the move to being outside less that coincides with the change in seasons is what's driving this increase and it would be even worse if people weren't wearing masks, distancing, washing, etc. We want to blame all these nameless people for not wearing masks and disregarding theirs and other's safety and health (and in politics that means the left are blaming the Trumpers and the right are blaming the protestors and Biden victory celebrants) but the reality could also be that these measures may only be effective to a point. Wouldn't that be a kick in the pants.

In a couple of years looking back at this, my feeling is that the data will bear this out. It already shows signs that this is the case but it is a bit early to say for certain.

If you look at the case count graphs in both America and the globe, you see one thing jump off the page. ALL our actions, masks, sheltering in place, washing hands, social distancing, etc., etc., have barely put a DENT in the overall rate of growth of the spread of the virus. Essentially, “virus gonna virus”....and yet here we are, many states about to make the same mistakes over again that were made in May/June/July....we literally learned NOTHING from the first go-round.

[HI54UNI]

Mask up at home in PA.

Masks are now required indoors wherever people from different households are gathered — even if they are physically distant, the state health secretary, Dr. Rachel Levine, said Tuesday. The order applies to every indoor facility, including in private homes, but Levine acknowledged that officials are relying on voluntary compliance rather than on enforcement.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/articl ... 733145.php

[SDHornet]

Mask up at home in PA.

Masks are now required indoors wherever people from different households are gathered — even if they are physically distant, the state health secretary, Dr. Rachel Levine, said Tuesday. The order applies to every indoor facility, including in private homes, but Levine acknowledged that officials are relying on voluntary compliance rather than on enforcement.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/articl ... 733145.php

[Gil Dobie]

Restaurants and Bars that have closed in my county since Covid shutdowns started....

Addie’s (Park Potomac)
Addis Ababa (Silver Spring)
Aroma (Montgomery Mall)
Bagel City (Rockville)
Beefsteak (Montgomery Mall)
Breadsmith (Potomac)
Buena Vida (Silver Spring)
Cafe Deluxe (Bethesda)
Chuck E. Cheese (Gaithersburg)
Chuy’s (Rockville)
Cici’s Pizza (Rockville)
Da Marco The Italian Place (Germantown)
Diya Bistro (Kentlands)
Dokiya Ramen (Rockville)
Dolcezza (Bethesda, announced closure)
Eggpectation (Silver Spring)
Ejji Ramen (Montgomery Mall)
Flower Child (Rockville)
George’s Chophouse (Bethesda)
Green Turtle (Germantown)
Gumbo Ya Ya (Rockville)
Gusto (Bethesda)
Gusto (Montgomery Mall, listed as temporary)
Harp & Fiddle (Bethesda)
Honeyfish (Rockville)
Jaleo (Bethesda, will become Spanish Diner under same ownership)
JennyCakes Bakery (Kensington)
Jimmy John’s (Germantown)
Jimmy John’s (Silver Spring)
Jumbo Jumbo (Rockville)
Khyber Kitchen (Silver Spring)
La Madeleine (Bethesda)
La Tasca (Rockville)
Le Pain Quotidien (Potomac)
Le Vieux Logis (Bethesda)
Little Beet Table (Chevy Chase, listed as temporary)
Lucy’s (Bethesda)
Minerva Express (Gaithersburg, not the full-service Minerva)
Mirch Masala (Montgomery Mall)
Mistik Taverna (Germantown)
Nantucket’s Reef (Rockville, listed as closed by Yelp)
Nava Thai (Wheaton, listed as temporary)
Nestle Toll House (Kentlands)
Nestle Toll House (Wheaton Mall)
Not Your Average Joe’s (Silver Spring)
P.F. Chang’s (Chevy Chase)
Panera (Rockville Town Center, listed as temporary)
Panera (Wheaton Mall)
PassionFish (Bethesda)
Peet’s Coffee (Bethesda)
Poke Papa (Bethesda)
Prima (Bethesda)
Roti (Chevy Chase, listed as temporary)
Roti (Pike & Rose, listed as temporary)
Ruby Tuesday (Lakeforest)
Sergio Ristorante (Silver Spring)
Spice 6 (Montgomery Mall)
Subway (Rockville Federal Plaza)
Starbucks (Rio)
Subway (Rockville Federal Plaza)
Sweetly Anchored (Potomac)
Taste of New Orleans- Seneca Smokehouse (Darnestown)
Thai Pavilion (Rockville Town Square)
The Grille (Flower Hill)
Tortacos (Gaithersburg)
Union Jack’s (Gaithersburg)
Urban BBQ (Rockville- Chapman location)
Urban Butcher (Silver Spring, listed as temporary)
Watershed Cafe (Poolesville)
Wine Harvest (Park Potomac)
Ziki Japanese Steakhouse (Gaithersburg, listed as temporary)

The town I live in, 25,000+, the only business that has shut down or will shut down is the Trump store. We have a new restaurant that just opened a few weeks ago. People are supporting the local eateries with take out and distance dining.

[Gil Dobie]

In a couple of years looking back at this, my feeling is that the data will bear this out. It already shows signs that this is the case but it is a bit early to say for certain.

If you look at the case count graphs in both America and the globe, you see one thing jump off the page. ALL our actions, masks, sheltering in place, washing hands, social distancing, etc., etc., have barely put a DENT in the overall rate of growth of the spread of the virus. Essentially, “virus gonna virus”....and yet here we are, many states about to make the same mistakes over again that were made in May/June/July....we literally learned NOTHING from the first go-round.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese that created the virus, are also propagandizing that the protocol doesn't work thru social media. People obviously believe it doesn't work, just by all the active cases, and all the people I'm seeing in large groups at football games, protest, riots, etc.

[CAA Flagship]

From the New York Times: (better late than never, I guess )

As it praised Beijing, the World Health Organization concealed concessions to China and may have sacrificed the best chance to unravel the virus’s origins. Now it’s a favorite Trump attack line.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/02/worl ... virus.html

[Ibanez]

Mask up at home in PA.

Masks are now required indoors wherever people from different households are gathered — even if they are physically distant, the state health secretary, Dr. Rachel Levine, said Tuesday. The order applies to every indoor facility, including in private homes, but Levine acknowledged that officials are relying on voluntary compliance rather than on enforcement.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/articl ... 733145.php

No. That's stupid. Why even waste your time coming up with this ordinance?

[GannonFan]

Mask up at home in PA.

Masks are now required indoors wherever people from different households are gathered — even if they are physically distant, the state health secretary, Dr. Rachel Levine, said Tuesday. The order applies to every indoor facility, including in private homes, but Levine acknowledged that officials are relying on voluntary compliance rather than on enforcement.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/articl ... 733145.php

No. That's stupid. Why even waste your time coming up with this ordinance?

PA has done a lot of dumb things over the past year. If Wolf wasn't already in his last term this probably would've done him in anyway. 2022 is an election year for governor in PA so should be a pretty contested one (same year that Toomey's vacating Senate seat is up for election too - busy year).

[kalm]

Mask up at home in PA.

Masks are now required indoors wherever people from different households are gathered — even if they are physically distant, the state health secretary, Dr. Rachel Levine, said Tuesday. The order applies to every indoor facility, including in private homes, but Levine acknowledged that officials are relying on voluntary compliance rather than on enforcement.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/articl ... 733145.php

No. That's stupid. Why even waste your time coming up with this ordinance?

How is it different (from a spread standpoint) than wearing one in public places?

[kalm]

In a couple of years looking back at this, my feeling is that the data will bear this out. It already shows signs that this is the case but it is a bit early to say for certain.

If you look at the case count graphs in both America and the globe, you see one thing jump off the page. ALL our actions, masks, sheltering in place, washing hands, social distancing, etc., etc., have barely put a DENT in the overall rate of growth of the spread of the virus. Essentially, “virus gonna virus”....and yet here we are, many states about to make the same mistakes over again that were made in May/June/July....we literally learned NOTHING from the first go-round.

So what would the infection, hospitalization, long term symptoms, and death rates have been without lockdowns?

[Ibanez]

No. That's stupid. Why even waste your time coming up with this ordinance?

How is it different (from a spread standpoint) than wearing one in public places?

It's toothless. How are you going to enforce it?

[89Hen]

I guess you're a better person for really caring about people you call stupid, dumb and pussified.

Better person than whom? A person who doesn’t genuinely pity people who’s actions cause them to be stupid, dumb, and pussified?

Are you feeling guilty because you can’t?

You’re not an anti-masker are ya?

* whose

Is it their actions that cause them to be stupid, or are their actions a result of them being stupid. And FTR, you are the one that called them that.

I don't feel guilty for not having empathy for folks who do stupid things.

I'm not an anti-masker in that I wear one where they are required and don't complain about it. I don't wear one while walking the dog or doing yardwork.

[89Hen]

The town I live in, 25,000+, the only business that has shut down or will shut down is the Trump store. We have a new restaurant that just opened a few weeks ago. People are supporting the local eateries with take out and distance dining.

That's great for your town, but many restaurants barely make money when there are no lockdowns. Cut your revenue in half, it doesn't take an economist to figure out the numbers don't work. I got a call from a guy who owns a restaurant on the Eastern Shore of MD and there was nothing I could do to help him with a mortgage. His 2020 YTD was showing a loss. He's trying to stay open, but it's doubtful. Not sure why your town is immune.

https://www.travelandleisure.com/food-d ... -shutdowns

Now, six months after the first shutdown, one in six restaurants — or a total of 100,000 establishments nationwide — have “closed either permanently or long-term,” according to a new survey the association released on Sept. 14.

[kalm]

Better person than whom? A person who doesn’t genuinely pity people who’s actions cause them to be stupid, dumb, and pussified?

Are you feeling guilty because you can’t?

You’re not an anti-masker are ya?

* whose

Is it their actions that cause them to be stupid, or are their actions a result of them being stupid. And FTR, you are the one that called them that.

I don't feel guilty for not having empathy for folks who do stupid things.

I'm not an anti-masker in that I wear one where they are required and don't complain about it. I don't wear one while walking the dog or doing yardwork.

That first question is a great one. Still working on figuring that out. I want to say they’re being stupid. That’s the empathetic/introspective side of me as I’ve often been stupid at times and will continue to be. Apparently, this skipped you.

[HI54UNI]

Danish study on mask effectiveness.

Abstract

Background:
Observational evidence suggests that mask wearing mitigates transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). It is uncertain if this observed association arises through protection of uninfected wearers (protective effect), via reduced transmission from infected mask wearers (source control), or both.

Objective:
To assess whether recommending surgical mask use outside the home reduces wearers' risk for SARS-CoV-2 infection in a setting where masks were uncommon and not among recommended public health measures.

Design:
Randomized controlled trial (DANMASK-19 [Danish Study to Assess Face Masks for the Protection Against COVID-19 Infection]). (ClinicalTrials.gov: NCT04337541)

Setting:
Denmark, April and May 2020.

Participants:
Adults spending more than 3 hours per day outside the home without occupational mask use.

Intervention:
Encouragement to follow social distancing measures for coronavirus disease 2019, plus either no mask recommendation or a recommendation to wear a mask when outside the home among other persons together with a supply of 50 surgical masks and instructions for proper use.
Measurements:

The primary outcome was SARS-CoV-2 infection in the mask wearer at 1 month by antibody testing, polymerase chain reaction (PCR), or hospital diagnosis. The secondary outcome was PCR positivity for other respiratory viruses.

Results:
A total of 3030 participants were randomly assigned to the recommendation to wear masks, and 2994 were assigned to control; 4862 completed the study. Infection with SARS-CoV-2 occurred in 42 participants recommended masks (1.8%) and 53 control participants (2.1%). The between-group difference was −0.3 percentage point (95% CI, −1.2 to 0.4 percentage point; P = 0.38) (odds ratio, 0.82 [CI, 0.54 to 1.23]; P = 0.33). Multiple imputation accounting for loss to follow-up yielded similar results. Although the difference observed was not statistically significant, the 95% CIs are compatible with a 46% reduction to a 23% increase in infection.

Limitation:
Inconclusive results, missing data, variable adherence, patient-reported findings on home tests, no blinding, and no assessment of whether masks could decrease disease transmission from mask wearers to others.

Conclusion:
The recommendation to wear surgical masks to supplement other public health measures did not reduce the SARS-CoV-2 infection rate among wearers by more than 50% in a community with modest infection rates, some degree of social distancing, and uncommon general mask use. The data were compatible with lesser degrees of self-protection.




https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

[89Hen]

* whose

Is it their actions that cause them to be stupid, or are their actions a result of them being stupid. And FTR, you are the one that called them that.

I don't feel guilty for not having empathy for folks who do stupid things.

I'm not an anti-masker in that I wear one where they are required and don't complain about it. I don't wear one while walking the dog or doing yardwork.

That first question is a great one. Still working on figuring that out. I want to say they’re being stupid. That’s the empathetic/introspective side of me as I’ve often been stupid at times and will continue to be. Apparently, this skipped you.

Or I just have a lot more stupid people around me and they've worn me down. My county is full of them. We are deep blue after all.

[kalm]

That first question is a great one. Still working on figuring that out. I want to say they’re being stupid. That’s the empathetic/introspective side of me as I’ve often been stupid at times and will continue to be. Apparently, this skipped you.

Or I just have a lot more stupid people around me and they've worn me down. My county is full of them. We are deep blue after all.

I’m right there with you my friend, and it transcends red and blue.

[Gil Dobie]

Danish study on mask effectiveness.

Abstract

Background:
Observational evidence suggests that mask wearing mitigates transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). It is uncertain if this observed association arises through protection of uninfected wearers (protective effect), via reduced transmission from infected mask wearers (source control), or both.

Objective:
To assess whether recommending surgical mask use outside the home reduces wearers' risk for SARS-CoV-2 infection in a setting where masks were uncommon and not among recommended public health measures.

Design:
Randomized controlled trial (DANMASK-19 [Danish Study to Assess Face Masks for the Protection Against COVID-19 Infection]). (ClinicalTrials.gov: NCT04337541)

Setting:
Denmark, April and May 2020.

Participants:
Adults spending more than 3 hours per day outside the home without occupational mask use.

Intervention:
Encouragement to follow social distancing measures for coronavirus disease 2019, plus either no mask recommendation or a recommendation to wear a mask when outside the home among other persons together with a supply of 50 surgical masks and instructions for proper use.
Measurements:

The primary outcome was SARS-CoV-2 infection in the mask wearer at 1 month by antibody testing, polymerase chain reaction (PCR), or hospital diagnosis. The secondary outcome was PCR positivity for other respiratory viruses.

Results:
A total of 3030 participants were randomly assigned to the recommendation to wear masks, and 2994 were assigned to control; 4862 completed the study. Infection with SARS-CoV-2 occurred in 42 participants recommended masks (1.8%) and 53 control participants (2.1%). The between-group difference was −0.3 percentage point (95% CI, −1.2 to 0.4 percentage point; P = 0.38) (odds ratio, 0.82 [CI, 0.54 to 1.23]; P = 0.33). Multiple imputation accounting for loss to follow-up yielded similar results. Although the difference observed was not statistically significant, the 95% CIs are compatible with a 46% reduction to a 23% increase in infection.

Limitation:
Inconclusive results, missing data, variable adherence, patient-reported findings on home tests, no blinding, and no assessment of whether masks could decrease disease transmission from mask wearers to others.

Conclusion:
The recommendation to wear surgical masks to supplement other public health measures did not reduce the SARS-CoV-2 infection rate among wearers by more than 50% in a community with modest infection rates, some degree of social distancing, and uncommon general mask use. The data were compatible with lesser degrees of self-protection.

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

In case I missed the point of this, it appears to support something we already know, masks are not worn as protection from Covid. Masks are primarily worn to reduce the spread by someone that is infected.

[UNI88]

Danish study on mask effectiveness.

Abstract

Background:
Observational evidence suggests that mask wearing mitigates transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). It is uncertain if this observed association arises through protection of uninfected wearers (protective effect), via reduced transmission from infected mask wearers (source control), or both.

Objective:
To assess whether recommending surgical mask use outside the home reduces wearers' risk for SARS-CoV-2 infection in a setting where masks were uncommon and not among recommended public health measures.

Design:
Randomized controlled trial (DANMASK-19 [Danish Study to Assess Face Masks for the Protection Against COVID-19 Infection]). (ClinicalTrials.gov: NCT04337541)

Setting:
Denmark, April and May 2020.

Participants:
Adults spending more than 3 hours per day outside the home without occupational mask use.

Intervention:
Encouragement to follow social distancing measures for coronavirus disease 2019, plus either no mask recommendation or a recommendation to wear a mask when outside the home among other persons together with a supply of 50 surgical masks and instructions for proper use.
Measurements:

The primary outcome was SARS-CoV-2 infection in the mask wearer at 1 month by antibody testing, polymerase chain reaction (PCR), or hospital diagnosis. The secondary outcome was PCR positivity for other respiratory viruses.

Results:
A total of 3030 participants were randomly assigned to the recommendation to wear masks, and 2994 were assigned to control; 4862 completed the study. Infection with SARS-CoV-2 occurred in 42 participants recommended masks (1.8%) and 53 control participants (2.1%). The between-group difference was −0.3 percentage point (95% CI, −1.2 to 0.4 percentage point; P = 0.38) (odds ratio, 0.82 [CI, 0.54 to 1.23]; P = 0.33). Multiple imputation accounting for loss to follow-up yielded similar results. Although the difference observed was not statistically significant, the 95% CIs are compatible with a 46% reduction to a 23% increase in infection.

Limitation:
Inconclusive results, missing data, variable adherence, patient-reported findings on home tests, no blinding, and no assessment of whether masks could decrease disease transmission from mask wearers to others.

Conclusion:
The recommendation to wear surgical masks to supplement other public health measures did not reduce the SARS-CoV-2 infection rate among wearers by more than 50% in a community with modest infection rates, some degree of social distancing, and uncommon general mask use. The data were compatible with lesser degrees of self-protection.

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

In case I missed the point of this, it appears to support something we already know, masks are not worn as protection from Covid. Masks are primarily worn to reduce the spread by someone that is infected.

A 50% reduction in my chances of being infected is pretty good.