2020 General Election

[kalm]

In the Long Run, Desperado.

Well, I like to Take It To The Limit

Time to take another shot of courage?

[Ibanez]

This part might be favorite of the entire document



The crux of Trumps legal strategy is right there - disenfranchise millions of voters in order to stay in office. If that isn't an obvious assault on the Constitution, I'm not sure what is.

How would making PA follow PA election law (only counting absentee ballots received by 8 PM on election day, and recquring signatures match) be disenfranchising millions of voters?

That's not it. Try actually reading the document.

the Trump Campaign and the Individual Plaintiffs (collectively, the “Plaintiffs”) seek to discard millions of votes legally cast by Pennsylvanians from all corners – from Greene County to Pike County, and everywhere in between. In other words, Plaintiffs ask this Court to disenfranchise almost seven million voters. This Court has been unable to find any case in which a plaintiff has sought such a drastic remedy in the contest of an election, in terms of the sheer volume of votes asked to be invalidated.

I know, I know. The Republican Judge is a RINO, Never Trumper faux-Conservative...

[Ibanez]

In the Long Run, Desperado.

Well, I like to Take It To The Limit

I always do that when in a flat bed Ford.

[CAA Flagship]

Well, I like to Take It To The Limit

I always do that when in a flat bed Ford.

I won't blow your cover.

[UNI88]

I always do that when in a flat bed Ford.

I won't blow your cover.

Not even as a last resort?

[Winterborn]

I won't blow your cover.

Not even as a last resort?

He is just a victim of love.

[BDKJMU]

7 Ways the 2005 Carter-Baker Report Could Have Averted Problems With 2020 Election

.....The bipartisan commission’s co-chairmen were former Democratic President Jimmy Carter and former Secretary of State James Baker, a Republican who served in the George H.W. Bush administration.

The commission was created to address voting and election integrity issues raised by the tumultuous 36-day postelection battle of 2000, which was settled by the U.S. Supreme Court decision that resulted in awarding Florida’s 25 electoral votes and the presidency to Republican George W. Bush over Democrat Al Gore....

1) Voter IDs
...“To ensure that persons presenting themselves at the polling place are the ones on the registration list, the Commission recommends that states require voters to use the REAL ID card, which was mandated in a law signed by the President in May 2005. The card includes a person’s full legal name, date of birth, a signature (captured as a digital image), a photograph, and the person’s Social Security number. This card should be modestly adapted for voting purposes to indicate on the front or back whether the individual is a U.S. citizen. States should provide an [Election Assistance Commission]-template ID with a photo to non-drivers free of charge.”

Carter, when speaking months after the release of the report, said other countries not known for being examples of democracy had fairer elections than the United States, and stressed the need for photo IDs.

“It’s disgraceful and embarrassing,” the former president said in May 2006. On IDs, Carter said, “Americans have to remember you have to have the equivalent to what we’re requiring to cast a ballot to cash a check or board a plane.” ...

2) Mail-In and Absentee Voting Risks
....“Absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud.

State and local jurisdictions should prohibit a person from handling absentee ballots other than the voter, an acknowledged family member, the U.S. Postal Service, or other legitimate shipper, or election officials. The practice in some states of allowing candidates or party workers to pick up and deliver absentee ballots should be eliminated.”....

3) Avoiding Duplicate Registration Across State Lines

....“Invalid voter files, which contain ineligible, duplicate, fictional, or deceased voters, are an invitation to fraud.

In order to assure that lists take account of citizens moving from one state to another, voter databases should be made interoperable between states. This would serve to eliminate duplicate registrations, which are a source of potential fraud.....

...When an eligible voter moves from one state to another, the state to which the voter is moving should be required to notify the state which the voter is leaving to eliminate that voter from its registration list.

All states should have procedures for maintaining accurate lists, such as electronic matching of death records, driver’s licenses, local tax rolls, and felon records.

Federal and state courts should provide state election offices with the lists of individuals who declare they are non-citizens when they are summoned for jury duty."...

4) Election Observers for Integrity
....“All legitimate domestic and international election observers should be granted unrestricted access to the election process, provided that they accept election rules, do not interfere with the electoral process, and respect the secrecy of the ballot.

Such observers should apply for accreditation, which should allow them to visit any polling station in any state and to view all parts of the election process, including the testing of voting equipment, the processing of absentee ballots, and the vote count.

States that limit election observation only to representatives of candidates and political parties should amend their election laws to explicitly permit accreditation of independent and international election observers."...

5) Reliable Voting Machines

The Carter-Baker Commission suggested that machines print out paper receipts for voters to verify their vote was accurately counted.

“States should adopt unambiguous procedures to reconcile any disparity between the electronic ballot tally and the paper ballot tally,” the 2005 report says. “The Commission strongly recommends that states determine well in advance of elections which will be the ballot of record.”

6) Media Calling Elections
....“News organizations should voluntarily refrain from projecting any presidential election results in any state until all of the polls have closed in the 48 contiguous states,” the report states. “News organizations should voluntarily agree to delay the release of any exit-poll data until the election has been decided.”...

7) Prosecuting Voter Fraud

“In July of even-numbered years, the U.S. Department of Justice should issue a public report on its investigations of election fraud. This report should specify the numbers of allegations made, matters investigated, cases prosecuted, and individuals convicted for various crimes. Each state’s attorney general and each local prosecutor should issue a similar report. … The U.S. Department of Justice’s Office of Public Integrity should increase its staff to investigate and prosecute election-related fraud."

https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/11/20/ ... -election/
https://www.legislationline.org/downloa ... 766256.pdf

Yet 15 years later, almost none of these 7 recommendations have been implemented..

[UNI88]

Not even as a last resort?

He is just a victim of love.

But he has lyin' eyes.

[BDKJMU]

The decision handed down in Pennsylvania accurately sums up what most people think about Trump's baseless claims of fraud.

I know, I know...it's just another Republican judge not toting the party line. How dare he??!!!

n this action, the Trump Campaign and the Individual Plaintiffs (collectively, the “Plaintiffs”) seek to discard millions of votes legally cast by
Pennsylvanians from all corners – from Greene County to Pike County, and everywhere in between. In other words, Plaintiffs ask this Court to disenfranchise almost seven million voters. This Court has been unable to find any case in which a plaintiff has sought such a drastic remedy in the contest of an election, in terms of the sheer volume of votes asked to be invalidated. One might expect that when seeking such a startling outcome, a plaintiff would come formidably armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption, such that this Court would have no option but to regrettably grant the proposed injunctive relief despite the impact it would have on such a large group of citizens.

That has not happened. Instead, this Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence. In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state. Our people, laws, and institutions demand more. At bottom, Plaintiffs have failed to meet their burden to state a claim upon which relief may be granted. Therefore, I grant Defendants’ motions and dismiss Plaintiffs’ action with prejudice.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov ... 02.0_1.pdf


Brann didn't hold back in any of this.

Plaintiffs’ only remaining claim alleges a violation of equal protection. This claim, like Frankenstein’s Monster, has been haphazardly stitched together from two distinct theories in an attempt to avoid controlling precedent.

I know next to nothing about law, but in reading this decision and the judges' constant referral to the Plantiffs briefs and cases being "misguided", "mix matched" as well as throwing anything against the wall and seeing what sticks (like the theory of competitive standing) - it amazes me that trained, professional lawyers would go into court with such hogwash. They must've known their case was flimsy.

The US 3rd circuit Court of Appeals has granted expedited review..
https://1010wcsi.com/fox-politics/trump ... ed-review/

[AZGrizFan]

Well, I like to Take It To The Limit

I always do that when in a flat bed Ford.

You are one Witchy woman.....

[Ibanez]

I always do that when in a flat bed Ford.

You are one Witchy woman.....

Nah...i'm just a certain kind of fool

[AZGrizFan]

You are one Witchy woman.....

Nah...i'm just a certain kind of fool

Who’s worry about Wasted time.

[89Hen]

[89Hen]

[89Hen]

I assume you guys know that Now This is a very left group.

[Winterborn]

He is just a victim of love.

But he has lyin' eyes.

Well he should Do Something about that then.

[BDKJMU]

I don't understand computer nerdspeak, but seems like a bunch of computer nerds just proved the notion that the election "was the most secure in US history" is a bunch of BS....

[kalm]

I assume you guys know that Now This is a very left group.

So it’s fake then?

[JohnStOnge]

I agree with the dismissal of Trump's lawsuits and for the most part they are baseless claims (I will get to the most part later in my post). There are a few instances where I do think things were "hinky" but no more than any other year in those instances. There is always small voter fraud taking place and for the most part it comes down to individuals, not some mass conspiracy by either party. There are certain cities/areas that are historically "good" or "bad" at this depending on ones perspective.

Is it enough to change an election, I do not know. Maybe, maybe not. I think there are questions to be answered and the local authorities (state officials) are handling that as far as I can tell. One of the few areas I have a concern about is the Dominion Voting system software was not as robust as I think it should be (my opinion and based on why some states turned down the system (Texas and others) those concerns are valid). Outside of that I still have faith in the system and think Biden won (whether or not it was fully on the up and up, I think compared to past elections it is the same, but we still have work to do to make our elections more secure).

From an auditor acquaintance of mine (and not a Trump fan, has worked for Fortune 500 companies and the Government). Bold points are what I agree with the most.

"A different visual of the 3:45 AM Miracle Spike in Wisconsin.
There's also four sworn affidavits from witnesses that two hours before this a massive pile of ballots were brought in and processed without observers.
I'm not a lawyer or a programmer, so I don't comment on those areas, but I was an auditor. That looks like fuckery.
Problem here is that the controls in this system are utter shit, collusion is super easy, and once you shuffle the fraudulent data in, recounts just recount the fraudulent data. It is like somebody pissed in the punch bowl, and they say since you can't strain out the urine molecules, you should just drink your punch and shut up.
I'm sure this post will get another "fact check" from "experts" who will declare that election fraud is virtually impossible because it would require two whole steps (even though in finance we routinely have double or triple that many controls to circumvent and fraud is still routine) and that everyone in the system is perfectly honest (even though collusion is the basic building block of fraud in every other walk of life). "

I didn't notice that post yesterday. That thing was debunked quite some time ago. See https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-fact ... SKBN27Q307.

Just stop. Biden did not win because of fraud or chicanery. He won because more people voted for him. More people voted for him nationally. More people voted for him in Pennsylvania. More people voted for him in Michigan. More people voted for him in Wisconsin. More people even voted for him in Georgia.

It is past time that Republicans stop chasing the "voter fraud" White Whale. It's not there. It's nonsense.

[JohnStOnge]

Again: This whole thing of acting like we should be SURPRISED that people voted against Trump is ridiculous. AGAIN: HE IS AN HISTORICALLY UNPOPULAR PRESIDENT. The majority of the People wanted him out and that's how they voted. Stop looking for "fraud" as the reason when it's not.

[JohnStOnge]

See https://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/11/12/jo ... l-election

There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.

Again: Please. Just stop. Stuff like that makes conservatism look stupid. And actually, when you look at how the majority of conservatives are behaving right now, maybe it's valid to say the conservatives are generally stupid. But that doesn't mean that true conservaTISM is stupid. So stop making it look that way.

[CAA Flagship]

See https://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/11/12/jo ... l-election

There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.

Again: Please. Just stop. Stuff like that makes conservatism look stupid. And actually, when you look at how the majority of conservatives are behaving right now, maybe it's valid to say the conservatives are generally stupid. But that doesn't mean that true conservaTISM is stupid. So stop making it look that way.

The government has you right where they want you.

[JohnStOnge]

See https://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/11/12/jo ... l-election



Again: Please. Just stop. Stuff like that makes conservatism look stupid. And actually, when you look at how the majority of conservatives are behaving right now, maybe it's valid to say the conservatives are generally stupid. But that doesn't mean that true conservaTISM is stupid. So stop making it look that way.

The government has you right where they want you.

No. The conspiracy theorists have YOU right where they want you. This stuff is ridiculous. It was a secure election. Everybody who actually knows what the hell they're doing and talking about has verified that. But we have to deal with all this internet tripe from the conservative misinformation bubble.

[CAA Flagship]

The government has you right where they want you.

No. The conspiracy theorists have YOU right where they want you. This stuff is ridiculous. It was a secure election. Everybody who actually knows what the hell they're doing and talking about has verified that. But we have to deal with all this internet tripe from the conservative misinformation bubble.

Nope. I don't "believe" either side of the argument. Both sides are possible. And I know we will never know the truth. We will only know what we are told. YOU on the other hand, believe what you are told. That's dangerous.

In football refereeing terminology, the play "stands", as opposed to "confirmed".

[UNI88]

No. The conspiracy theorists have YOU right where they want you. This stuff is ridiculous. It was a secure election. Everybody who actually knows what the hell they're doing and talking about has verified that. But we have to deal with all this internet tripe from the conservative misinformation bubble.

Nope. I don't "believe" either side of the argument. Both sides are possible. And I know we will never know the truth. We will only know what we are told. YOU on the other hand, believe what you are told. That's dangerous.

In football refereeing terminology, the play "stands", as opposed to "confirmed".