Coronavirus COVID-19

[AZGrizFan]

And 4 floors of an apartment complex in LA. Your point?

It's a lot if death.

2.75 million people a year die in this country, Gil. It’s a lot of death any way you look at it.

[Gil Dobie]

It's a lot if death.

2.75 million people a year die in this country, Gil. It’s a lot of death any way you look at it.

We don't need extra crap killing people then, right.

[BDKJMU]

2.75 million people a year die in this country, Gil. It’s a lot of death any way you look at it.

We don't need extra crap killing people then, right.

Population is still growing by a couple million a yr, even with the China virus.
https://www.thoughtco.com/us-population ... ry-1435268
Now pushing 332 million..
https://www.worldometers.info/world-pop ... opulation/

[AZGrizFan]

2.75 million people a year die in this country, Gil. It’s a lot of death any way you look at it.

We don't need extra crap killing people then, right.

Wooosh!

That was the point going over your head.

[Gil Dobie]

We don't need extra crap killing people then, right.

Wooosh!

That was the point going over your head.

Glad we agree on Covid then.

[JohnStOnge]

It's a lot if death.

2.75 million people a year die in this country, Gil. It’s a lot of death any way you look at it.

It's actually 2.8 million. But we are on track to have about 10% of that value die from a single cause in a year. And that single cause is COVID-19. This thing of trying to minimize the situation is really ignorant. It's a serious problem. All you have to do is look around the world and see how other countries are responding.

This is one more reason that the conservative movement in the United States is being justly branded as the movement of stupid right now.

[kalm]

Nebraska...oooof.

Perhaps no hospital in the United States was better prepared for a pandemic than the University of Nebraska Medical Center in Omaha.

After the SARS outbreak of 2003, its staff began specifically preparing for emerging infections. The center has the nation’s only federal quarantine facility and its largest biocontainment unit, which cared for airlifted Ebola patients in 2014. The people on staff had detailed pandemic plans. They ran drills. Ron Klain, who was President Barack Obama’s “Ebola czar” and will be Joe Biden’s chief of staff in the White House, once told me that UNMC is “arguably the best in the country” at handling dangerous and unusual diseases. There’s a reason many of the Americans who were airlifted from the Diamond Princess cruise ship in February were sent to UNMC.

In the past two weeks, the hospital had to convert an entire building into a COVID-19 tower, from the top down. It now has 10 COVID-19 units, each taking up an entire hospital floor. Three of the units provide intensive care to the very sickest people, several of whom die every day. One unit solely provides “comfort care” to COVID-19 patients who are certain to die. “We’ve never had to do anything like this,” Angela Hewlett, the infectious-disease specialist who directs the hospital’s COVID-19 team, told me. “We are on an absolutely catastrophic path.”......

But now about 2,400 Nebraskans are testing positive for COVID-19 every day—a rate five times higher than in the spring. More than 20 percent of tests are coming back positive, and up to 70 percent in some rural counties—signs that many infections aren’t being detected. The number of people who’ve been hospitalized with the disease has tripled in just six weeks. UNMC is fuller with COVID-19 patients—and patients, full stop—than it has ever been. “We’re watching a system breaking in front of us and we’re helpless to stop it,” says Kelly Cawcutt, an infectious-disease and critical-care physician.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatl ... le/617156/

[Ibanez]

Huzzah! Lil CCU tested negative for da 'Rona.

Our friend, on the other hand, the girls father, was admitted last night with a 103degree fever and is on O2. I know the stats says he'll live - but that's a scary situation to put yourself and your family in. I wonder what the residual effects will be for him...

[AZGrizFan]

Thanks. I'd be more worried about the lasting effects from COVID. Rose is pretty strong so I'm not worried. DHEC does free testing and it took all of 30- 40 minutes to drive to the site get the test and then drive home.

Personally, I'm sick and tired of the masks, the worry, the panic, everything. On top of election fatigue, i've got pandemic fatigue. I'm worn out. I have no bandwidth left to give to anything of importance.

We all are.

Just listened to Rogan interview with Yale University professor and physician, Nicholas Christakis. Interesting skill set of medicine, sociology, and networking systems. It’s a brief recap of how we got here and what to expect going forward. Not all bad and conditions can improve for the better depending on governmental and citizen’s actions. But as he said, right now we are only at the end of the beginning with this (meaning all of the effects). He thinks as late as 2024 before things are “normal” from an economic standpoint. He’s predicting 20% of those infected will have a permanent disability from the virus.

Well, that’s what we in the business call “pulling a number out of your ass”....

[Winterborn]

Huzzah! Lil CCU tested negative for da 'Rona.

Our friend, on the other hand, the girls father, was admitted last night with a 103degree fever and is on O2. I know the stats says he'll live - but that's a scary situation to put yourself and your family in. I wonder what the residual effects will be for him...

Congrats!

Based on a few people I know. Weakness and some shortness of breath up to 3 or so week's afterwards.

[HI54UNI]

Better buy your alcohol tomorrow if you're in PA.

Pennsylvania Bans Sale Of Alcohol At Bars, Restaurants Ahead Of Thanksgiving

https://www.dailywire.com/news/pennsylv ... anksgiving

[BDKJMU]

Better buy your alcohol tomorrow if you're in PA.

Pennsylvania Bans Sale Of Alcohol At Bars, Restaurants Ahead Of Thanksgiving

https://www.dailywire.com/news/pennsylv ... anksgiving

Good god that is one fugly looking woman...

[Winterborn]

Better buy your alcohol tomorrow if you're in PA.

Pennsylvania Bans Sale Of Alcohol At Bars, Restaurants Ahead Of Thanksgiving

https://www.dailywire.com/news/pennsylv ... anksgiving

What is a 15 hour ban going to do? Unless stores are closed on Thanksgiving. But then why not make it till they open back up on Friday?

IF it is anything like around here when a blizzard threatens to shut things down, the Liquor stores do double the business in about a day with people stocking up. The only thing this does is annoy people and get people to think that they never know what might be coming next.

[Gil Dobie]

List of Minnesota restaurants with Covid outbreaks, is headed by Applebees with 4 locations. Olive Garden had 2 locations on the list. Closest to me are about 20 miles away, nothing local.

[BDKJMU]

Better buy your alcohol tomorrow if you're in PA.

Pennsylvania Bans Sale Of Alcohol At Bars, Restaurants Ahead Of Thanksgiving

https://www.dailywire.com/news/pennsylv ... anksgiving

What is a 15 hour ban going to do? Unless stores are closed on Thanksgiving. But then why not make it till they open back up on Friday?

IF it is anything like around here when a blizzard threatens to shut things down, the Liquor stores do double the business in about a day with people stocking up. The only thing this does is annoy people and get people to think that they never know what might be coming next.

Pack the liquor stores.

[kalm]

Better buy your alcohol tomorrow if you're in PA.

Pennsylvania Bans Sale Of Alcohol At Bars, Restaurants Ahead Of Thanksgiving

https://www.dailywire.com/news/pennsylv ... anksgiving

What is a 15 hour ban going to do? Unless stores are closed on Thanksgiving. But then why not make it till they open back up on Friday?

IF it is anything like around here when a blizzard threatens to shut things down, the Liquor stores do double the business in about a day with people stocking up. The only thing this does is annoy people and get people to think that they never know what might be coming next.

Preparation creates separation...amateurs...

Without bailouts for small businesses and their employees a guarantee and the ongoing pressure from various lobbying groups to re-open, state and local governments tend to take half measures. This creates inconsistencies and seemingly illogical restrictions. (EG: indoor dining without a mask, weed shops open under phase 1 but not beauty salons). These inconsistencies fuel conspiracy theories and create further mistrust in institutions including healthcare organizations, research, and government.

I don’t envy any political leader that pays even just a little respect to science and what the experts have been saying since March.

[GannonFan]

What is a 15 hour ban going to do? Unless stores are closed on Thanksgiving. But then why not make it till they open back up on Friday?

IF it is anything like around here when a blizzard threatens to shut things down, the Liquor stores do double the business in about a day with people stocking up. The only thing this does is annoy people and get people to think that they never know what might be coming next.

Preparation creates separation...amateurs...

Without bailouts for small businesses and their employees a guarantee and the ongoing pressure from various lobbying groups to re-open, state and local governments tend to take half measures. This creates inconsistencies and seemingly illogical restrictions. (EG: indoor dining without a mask, weed shops open under phase 1 but not beauty salons). These inconsistencies fuel conspiracy theories and create further mistrust in institutions including healthcare organizations, research, and government.

I don’t envy any political leader that pays even just a little respect to science and what the experts have been saying since March.

I agree - without the financial backing, it's very hard for government to tell businesses and individuals to basically "suck it up" when they impose restrictions without any adjoining compensation. And yes, that leads to mistrust in institutions and governments and we end up where we are right now. With no consistent message coming from governments, and with too many instances of do as I say, not as I do events, then we end up where we are with people not believing or caring what government says. But I think you're right, the biggest issue is the economic one - you make people feel economic pain because you can't come to an agreement about how to compensate them when you take away their livelihood, and not too shockingly those same people tend not to be fully content citizens.

[Winterborn]

Preparation creates separation...amateurs...

Without bailouts for small businesses and their employees a guarantee and the ongoing pressure from various lobbying groups to re-open, state and local governments tend to take half measures. This creates inconsistencies and seemingly illogical restrictions. (EG: indoor dining without a mask, weed shops open under phase 1 but not beauty salons). These inconsistencies fuel conspiracy theories and create further mistrust in institutions including healthcare organizations, research, and government.

I don’t envy any political leader that pays even just a little respect to science and what the experts have been saying since March.

I agree - without the financial backing, it's very hard for government to tell businesses and individuals to basically "suck it up" when they impose restrictions without any adjoining compensation. And yes, that leads to mistrust in institutions and governments and we end up where we are right now. With no consistent message coming from governments, and with too many instances of do as I say, not as I do events, then we end up where we are with people not believing or caring what government says. But I think you're right, the biggest issue is the economic one - you make people feel economic pain because you can't come to an agreement about how to compensate them when you take away their livelihood, and not too shockingly those same people tend not to be fully content citizens.

I think many things could have been done different. The main one would be treating all business the same, no matter if they were a large corporation or a mom & pop store as long as they were able to follow the guidelines. Probably wouldn't need as much of a bailout/stimulus if that happened either.

[UNI88]

I agree - without the financial backing, it's very hard for government to tell businesses and individuals to basically "suck it up" when they impose restrictions without any adjoining compensation. And yes, that leads to mistrust in institutions and governments and we end up where we are right now. With no consistent message coming from governments, and with too many instances of do as I say, not as I do events, then we end up where we are with people not believing or caring what government says. But I think you're right, the biggest issue is the economic one - you make people feel economic pain because you can't come to an agreement about how to compensate them when you take away their livelihood, and not too shockingly those same people tend not to be fully content citizens.

I think many things could have been done different. The main one would be treating all business the same, no matter if they were a large corporation or a mom & pop store as long as they were able to follow the guidelines. Probably wouldn't need as much of a bailout/stimulus if that happened either.

Who cares about how much the bailouts/stimuli cost? The government can just print money. We should cut personal and corporate federal income taxes to 0%, forgive all student debts, offer free medicare & college for all, etc. and print the money to pay for it. What could go wrong?

[kalm]

I think many things could have been done different. The main one would be treating all business the same, no matter if they were a large corporation or a mom & pop store as long as they were able to follow the guidelines. Probably wouldn't need as much of a bailout/stimulus if that happened either.

Who cares about how much the bailouts/stimuli cost? The government can just print money. We should cut personal and corporate federal income taxes to 0%, forgive all student debts, offer free medicare & college for all, etc. and print the money to pay for it. What could go wrong?

Yeah! We should cut taxes more! We should also create a Federal Reserve just in case we are facing a financial crisis or something!

Now is definitely the right time to rediscover religion over debt concerns!

[UNI88]

Who cares about how much the bailouts/stimuli cost? The government can just print money. We should cut personal and corporate federal income taxes to 0%, forgive all student debts, offer free medicare & college for all, etc. and print the money to pay for it. What could go wrong?

Yeah! We should cut taxes more! We should also create a Federal Reserve just in case we are facing a financial crisis or something!

Now is definitely the right time to rediscover religion over debt concerns!

Why can't we give the pseudo-progressives and pseudo-conservatives their wildest wet dreams? Neither cares about debt and the eventual run-away inflation and economic collapse that it will bring.

What's the difference between wanting to cut taxes without spending cuts and wanting to increase spending beyond the ability of taxes to cover? You think one is ok but the other isn't? They're both fiscally irresponsible and will eventually bite us in the ass.

And I've never lost my religion over fiscal responsibility and debt concerns.

[GannonFan]

I agree - without the financial backing, it's very hard for government to tell businesses and individuals to basically "suck it up" when they impose restrictions without any adjoining compensation. And yes, that leads to mistrust in institutions and governments and we end up where we are right now. With no consistent message coming from governments, and with too many instances of do as I say, not as I do events, then we end up where we are with people not believing or caring what government says. But I think you're right, the biggest issue is the economic one - you make people feel economic pain because you can't come to an agreement about how to compensate them when you take away their livelihood, and not too shockingly those same people tend not to be fully content citizens.

I think many things could have been done different. The main one would be treating all business the same, no matter if they were a large corporation or a mom & pop store as long as they were able to follow the guidelines. Probably wouldn't need as much of a bailout/stimulus if that happened either.

Yeah, that was a huge problem. You close all the stores next to Walmart and then you say Walmart can stay open. Amazingly people noticed. People even made some memes and lawn signs regarding that. Plus it led overly-tinkering governors (Wolf in PA was one) to sit up at nights poring over the business classification listings and ticking off which ones he would consider "essential" and which ones would be "non-essential" - as if the words themselves weren't loaded enough.

[kalm]

Yeah! We should cut taxes more! We should also create a Federal Reserve just in case we are facing a financial crisis or something!

Now is definitely the right time to rediscover religion over debt concerns!

Why can't we give the pseudo-progressives and pseudo-conservatives their wildest wet dreams? Neither cares about debt and the eventual run-away inflation and economic collapse that it will bring.

What's the difference between wanting to cut taxes without spending cuts and wanting to increase spending beyond the ability of taxes to cover? You think one is ok but the other isn't? They're both fiscally irresponsible and will eventually bite us in the ass.

And I've never lost my religion over fiscal responsibility and debt concerns.

Well as a pseudo centrist, I’m for both raising taxes AND cutting spending.

But now is not the time to fight for austerity. People needed help 5 months ago.

BTW, France’s latest surge is already cresting after just a few weeks. Meanwhile...

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-ne ... story.html

[UNI88]

Why can't we give the pseudo-progressives and pseudo-conservatives their wildest wet dreams? Neither cares about debt and the eventual run-away inflation and economic collapse that it will bring.

What's the difference between wanting to cut taxes without spending cuts and wanting to increase spending beyond the ability of taxes to cover? You think one is ok but the other isn't? They're both fiscally irresponsible and will eventually bite us in the ass.

And I've never lost my religion over fiscal responsibility and debt concerns.

Well as a pseudo centrist, I’m for both raising taxes AND cutting spending.

But now is not the time to fight for austerity. People needed help 5 months ago.

BTW, France’s latest surge is already cresting after just a few weeks. Meanwhile...

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-ne ... story.html

I'm all for helping people and businesses impacted by the virus and our response to it but we can't just throw money at it without considering the long-term implications to our debt and economy. Hyperinflation and a tanking economy will have a huge impact on people's health and welfare and need to be considered.

The question isn't whether the federal government should provide assistance or not it's how much should be provided and how should it be structured. What restrictions provide the optimal mix of slowing the surge and limiting the impact on businesses?

Oregon has a 2 week freeze (4+ weeks in Multnomah County) including no in-person dining, drinking, etc. but the state is dragging its feet on takeout cocktails. They're killing small businesses with restrictions while withholding a potential lifeline for some of them.

[AshevilleApp]

Huzzah! Lil CCU tested negative for da 'Rona.

Our friend, on the other hand, the girls father, was admitted last night with a 103degree fever and is on O2. I know the stats says he'll live - but that's a scary situation to put yourself and your family in. I wonder what the residual effects will be for him...

For Lil CCU! I hope your friend has as easy go of it.