Coronavirus COVID-19

[kalm]

Rules for thee but not for me

https://nypost.com/2020/12/20/birx-went ... -warnings/

Isn't she resigning now as a result? Indeed, just another of way too many examples of folks in power demanding adherence to restrictions and then not following those restrictions themselves. But nothing will beat the Austin mayor, vacationing in Mexico, and making a video spot while there telling people they shouldn't travel. And people wonder why there's a distressingly growing faction in this country that not only doesn't trust government, but actively hates government. Gotta stop fueling that fire.

Agreed.

[kalm]

Darth Fauci is not alone.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/22/worl ... unGzFFAv9Q

So we can travel on packed airplanes between countries with complete strangers but we can't dine with our own families on Christmas? If it's truly more contagious than the earlier versions shouldn't we be doing everything to prevent its spread? Shouldn't we be locking down further? Aren't we going to overwhelm the hospitals? Don't we have 15 days to slow the spread?

Without looking it up, I’ll guess there are still less people traveling than having family get togethers. It’s also a plausible compromise against the economics of complete lockdowns. For your comparison to work we’d need all families to have dinner in well ventilated tubes for a specific limit of time, masked up, no hugging, etc.

I don’t know about your family, but mine isn’t worth all that nonsense.

[CAA Flagship]

Oldest son came home from Virginia Tech on Friday. Then received a text from a friend that he tested positive. Son was at his fraternity house on Wednesday night watching a movie when this guy entered the room and sat down abut 10 feet across from him for about 30 minutes.

So my son is in isolation in his room. Got tested yesterday and still waiting on results. No symptoms.

Sounds like low risk. There was some distance even though no masks were being worn (my son was the only one in the room that hadn't caught the COVIDs prior to this other guy walking in). And since they were watching a movie, there wasn't much talking/yelling that would create a bigger viral cloud.

Son tested negative. No signs of symptoms after 7 days from possible exposure. He may have dodged a bullet.

He was told by the doctor that did the COVID test that the other guy may have had an asymptomatic case within the last 3 months that would still show a positive test after three months or so. Hadn't heard that one before.

[kalm]

Oldest son came home from Virginia Tech on Friday. Then received a text from a friend that he tested positive. Son was at his fraternity house on Wednesday night watching a movie when this guy entered the room and sat down abut 10 feet across from him for about 30 minutes.

So my son is in isolation in his room. Got tested yesterday and still waiting on results. No symptoms.

Sounds like low risk. There was some distance even though no masks were being worn (my son was the only one in the room that hadn't caught the COVIDs prior to this other guy walking in). And since they were watching a movie, there wasn't much talking/yelling that would create a bigger viral cloud.

Son tested negative. No signs of symptoms after 7 days from possible exposure. He may have dodged a bullet.

He was told by the doctor that did the COVID test that the other guy may have had an asymptomatic case within the last 3 months that would still show a positive test after three months or so. Hadn't heard that one before.

Good news.

[kalm]

How masks work...

“ So, prepare to be grossed out. Engineers at the University of Edinburgh in the UK have done a study on masks and how effectively they stop large respiratory droplets at various distances.

It's important to get rid of some misconceptions straight up. SARS-CoV-2 virus particles are way smaller than the holes in the fabric of a mask - but the virus particles don't exist in isolation.

When you cough, talk, or even breathe, tiny globs of your spit fly out of your mouth and land on whatever is in front of you, and it's those globs that can carry the virus.

Now, there's still some debate about whether smaller aerosol particles are also a significant driver of infection, but a mask is pretty good at stopping them, too.

When it comes to catching the virus (and pretty much all viruses), making sure you are exposed to as few of those virus particles as possible is key, so the fewer droplets - small or large - you encounter, the better.”

https://www.sciencealert.com/gross-drop ... everywhere

[GannonFan]

Oldest son came home from Virginia Tech on Friday. Then received a text from a friend that he tested positive. Son was at his fraternity house on Wednesday night watching a movie when this guy entered the room and sat down abut 10 feet across from him for about 30 minutes.

So my son is in isolation in his room. Got tested yesterday and still waiting on results. No symptoms.

Sounds like low risk. There was some distance even though no masks were being worn (my son was the only one in the room that hadn't caught the COVIDs prior to this other guy walking in). And since they were watching a movie, there wasn't much talking/yelling that would create a bigger viral cloud.

Son tested negative. No signs of symptoms after 7 days from possible exposure. He may have dodged a bullet.

He was told by the doctor that did the COVID test that the other guy may have had an asymptomatic case within the last 3 months that would still show a positive test after three months or so. Hadn't heard that one before.

I had heard that - if you've had it (asymptomatic or not) you could very well keep showing positive on tests a while after having it, but they don't consider you to be contagious at that point.

[Gil Dobie]

How masks work...

“ So, prepare to be grossed out. Engineers at the University of Edinburgh in the UK have done a study on masks and how effectively they stop large respiratory droplets at various distances.

It's important to get rid of some misconceptions straight up. SARS-CoV-2 virus particles are way smaller than the holes in the fabric of a mask - but the virus particles don't exist in isolation.

When you cough, talk, or even breathe, tiny globs of your spit fly out of your mouth and land on whatever is in front of you, and it's those globs that can carry the virus.

Now, there's still some debate about whether smaller aerosol particles are also a significant driver of infection, but a mask is pretty good at stopping them, too.

When it comes to catching the virus (and pretty much all viruses), making sure you are exposed to as few of those virus particles as possible is key, so the fewer droplets - small or large - you encounter, the better.”

https://www.sciencealert.com/gross-drop ... everywhere

Taking this to AGS

[Gil Dobie]

How masks work...

“ So, prepare to be grossed out. Engineers at the University of Edinburgh in the UK have done a study on masks and how effectively they stop large respiratory droplets at various distances.

It's important to get rid of some misconceptions straight up. SARS-CoV-2 virus particles are way smaller than the holes in the fabric of a mask - but the virus particles don't exist in isolation.

When you cough, talk, or even breathe, tiny globs of your spit fly out of your mouth and land on whatever is in front of you, and it's those globs that can carry the virus.

Now, there's still some debate about whether smaller aerosol particles are also a significant driver of infection, but a mask is pretty good at stopping them, too.

When it comes to catching the virus (and pretty much all viruses), making sure you are exposed to as few of those virus particles as possible is key, so the fewer droplets - small or large - you encounter, the better.”

https://www.sciencealert.com/gross-drop ... everywhere

A picture says a lot.

[89Hen]

If you're speaking like top left, you're not anyone's friend.

[kalm]

For those still wondering why masked haven’t worked better. Kind of a no-brainer...

“However, there are some settings where COVID-19 is more easily spread. In New York, for example, contact tracing has shown that 70% of new cases come from small gatherings and households.

"Informal gatherings may have played even the biggest role," Brownstein said, "because they are harder to police, they're harder to enforce, and people are probably more lax when it comes to recommendations of mask wearing and social distancing."

When people gather in small groups with friends and family, they are more likely to let their guard down, not wear their masks and stay together indoors for longer periods of time, which makes it easier to transmit the virus.“

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-19- ... d=74783036

[Gil Dobie]

For those still wondering why masked haven’t worked better. Kind of a no-brainer...

“However, there are some settings where COVID-19 is more easily spread. In New York, for example, contact tracing has shown that 70% of new cases come from small gatherings and households.

"Informal gatherings may have played even the biggest role," Brownstein said, "because they are harder to police, they're harder to enforce, and people are probably more lax when it comes to recommendations of mask wearing and social distancing."

When people gather in small groups with friends and family, they are more likely to let their guard down, not wear their masks and stay together indoors for longer periods of time, which makes it easier to transmit the virus.“

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-19- ... d=74783036

Matches what the Minnesota stats show, 240,000/400,000 cases infected in private residences where mask are not worn.

[SeattleGriz]

Son tested negative. No signs of symptoms after 7 days from possible exposure. He may have dodged a bullet.

He was told by the doctor that did the COVID test that the other guy may have had an asymptomatic case within the last 3 months that would still show a positive test after three months or so. Hadn't heard that one before.

I had heard that - if you've had it (asymptomatic or not) you could very well keep showing positive on tests a while after having it, but they don't consider you to be contagious at that point.

This is why in the beginning, scientists were saying that we didn't develop immunity to COVID. The PCR test was picking up on the leftover viral pieces from someone who recovered from COVID and returning a positive.

They figured out what was happening and corrected their stance to we do develop immunity.

Don't know how long the fragment can be detected after you recover.

[BDKJMU]

From 12/11:

Restaurants and Bars Account for Less Than 2 Percent of New COVID-19 Cases in New York

During a coronavirus press briefing on Friday, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said that private gatherings account for the vast majority of new statewide cases, while less than 2 percent are coming from bars and restaurants.

Cuomo referenced a statewide contact-tracing data set, which collected information on how new cases have spread from September to November. According to the data, 74 percent of new cases have come from private social gatherings.....

...But bars and restaurants, which have long been considered a high-risk area for the virus to spread, accounted for only 1.4 percent of new statewide cases.

Gyms, hair salons and barber shops are also very low-risk areas, each attributing for less than 1 percent of new cases.

Cuomo acknowledged that safety guidelines put in place, such as social distancing, mask requirements and capacity limits, have significantly lowered the risk of infection in these areas.

Nonetheless, the governor announced that starting Monday morning, all New York City restaurants will be shuttered for indoor dining.

https://www.newsweek.com/restaurants-ba ... rk-1554206

So bars and restaurants aren't a problem, but lets shut them down anyway..

[kalm]

From 12/11:

Restaurants and Bars Account for Less Than 2 Percent of New COVID-19 Cases in New York

During a coronavirus press briefing on Friday, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said that private gatherings account for the vast majority of new statewide cases, while less than 2 percent are coming from bars and restaurants.

Cuomo referenced a statewide contact-tracing data set, which collected information on how new cases have spread from September to November. According to the data, 74 percent of new cases have come from private social gatherings.....

...But bars and restaurants, which have long been considered a high-risk area for the virus to spread, accounted for only 1.4 percent of new statewide cases.

Gyms, hair salons and barber shops are also very low-risk areas, each attributing for less than 1 percent of new cases.

Cuomo acknowledged that safety guidelines put in place, such as social distancing, mask requirements and capacity limits, have significantly lowered the risk of infection in these areas.

Nonetheless, the governor announced that starting Monday morning, all New York City restaurants will be shuttered for indoor dining.

So bars and restaurants aren't a problem, but lets shut them down anyway..

Link please.

[BDKJMU]

PA Trump vaccine rollout:
Phase 1A began last week with front front line health care (reportedly over 41k as of yesterday). Next week continues residents and staff of skilled nursing facilities.

Phase 1B (when IA is complete): residents 75 years of age and older (who aren't in nursing homes, part of Phase IA).

Nothing announced yet after that.
https://www.pottsmerc.com/news/coronavi ... 88244.html

I assume other states are doing somewhat similar..

[Col Hogan]

If you don’t tell the truth because you feel someone isn’t ready for the truth...is it a lie???

[AZGrizFan]

Question for the pro-shutdown folks: To what do you attribute the fact that non-lockdown states appear (for the most part) to be behaving EXACTLY like those that completely shut down and destroyed their economies? The states who locked down, have mask mandates, etc., etc., seem to have very similar shaped virus curves to those who did NOT elect to impose those restrictions.....

[SeattleGriz]

If you're speaking like top left, you're not anyone's friend.

That's what I was thinking. Who the hell stands near anyone talking like that.

[houndawg]

If you don’t tell the truth because you feel someone isn’t ready for the truth...is it a lie???

If the truth gets you fired and replaced by a botttom-of-the-barrel hack is it OK to lie in a "does this dress make my ass look fat" kind of way?

[houndawg]

Question for the pro-shutdown folks: To what do you attribute the fact that non-lockdown states appear (for the most part) to be behaving EXACTLY like those that completely shut down and destroyed their economies? The states who locked down, have mask mandates, etc., etc., seem to have very similar shaped virus curves to those who did NOT elect to impose those restrictions.....

Can we see the graphs to which you're referring?

[AZGrizFan]

Question for the pro-shutdown folks: To what do you attribute the fact that non-lockdown states appear (for the most part) to be behaving EXACTLY like those that completely shut down and destroyed their economies? The states who locked down, have mask mandates, etc., etc., seem to have very similar shaped virus curves to those who did NOT elect to impose those restrictions.....

Can we see the graphs to which you're referring?

The only difference seems to be timing/seasonality. I would show you, but I have yet to figure out how to get them to post from WorldoMeters.com....truth.

[kalm]

Can we see the graphs to which you're referring?

The only difference seems to be timing/seasonality. I would show you, but I have yet to figure out how to get them to post from WorldoMeters.com....truth.

Cultural differences and demographics, lack of social distancing compliance...there are explanations and the first starts with the fact it’s super contagious.

But I’d like to see the graphs too. California may be an outlier.

[AZGrizFan]

The only difference seems to be timing/seasonality. I would show you, but I have yet to figure out how to get them to post from WorldoMeters.com....truth.

Cultural differences and demographics, lack of social distancing compliance...there are explanations and the first starts with the fact it’s super contagious.

But I’d like to see the graphs too. California may be an outlier.

Warmer states peaked later. Colder states are on the back side....(it’s not perfect, but it’s definitely a trend).

[Skjellyfetti]

[AZGrizFan]

Yes. The media and politicians have done a phenomenal job in making the general public afraid of something that has a 99.75% survival rate on the off chance you do catch it.