2020 General Election

[kalm]

So what is the point? Biden won.....but?

If your point was to wonder how in the fuck could anyone win by such a narrow margin versus Trump, well I can at least understand the pondering. The obvious answers are a binary system, a gullible electorate susceptible to propaganda, infotainment, failure of leadership from the Dems, and sleepy Joe.

Hope this helps!

Stop being so obtuse. The point is obvious. Given the narrow margin of victory in key swing states, MASSIVE voter fraud is not necessary. just a few key incidents, properly placed, will do the trick. The fraud doesn’t have to be obvious or massive. Just has to be leveraged correctly.

Define narrow and massive.

[Ibanez]

So what is the point? Biden won.....but?

If your point was to wonder how in the fuck could anyone win by such a narrow margin versus Trump, well I can at least understand the pondering. The obvious answers are a binary system, a gullible electorate susceptible to propaganda, infotainment, failure of leadership from the Dems, and sleepy Joe.

Hope this helps!

Stop being so obtuse. The point is obvious. Given the narrow margin of victory in key swing states, MASSIVE voter fraud is not necessary. just a few key incidents, properly placed, will do the trick. The fraud doesn’t have to be obvious or massive. Just has to be leveraged correctly.

Where’s the proof?


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[SeattleGriz]

Stop being so obtuse. The point is obvious. Given the narrow margin of victory in key swing states, MASSIVE voter fraud is not necessary. just a few key incidents, properly placed, will do the trick. The fraud doesn’t have to be obvious or massive. Just has to be leveraged correctly.

Where’s the proof?


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You need to get out of your media bubble. It's all over the place. Your internet broken?

[AZGrizFan]

Stop being so obtuse. The point is obvious. Given the narrow margin of victory in key swing states, MASSIVE voter fraud is not necessary. just a few key incidents, properly placed, will do the trick. The fraud doesn’t have to be obvious or massive. Just has to be leveraged correctly.

Define narrow and massive.

Narrow = several thousand votes strategically placed here or there by just a few people
Massive = systemic, nationwide

[AZGrizFan]

Stop being so obtuse. The point is obvious. Given the narrow margin of victory in key swing states, MASSIVE voter fraud is not necessary. just a few key incidents, properly placed, will do the trick. The fraud doesn’t have to be obvious or massive. Just has to be leveraged correctly.

Where’s the proof?

I said nothing of there being any proof. I simply was pointing out his point for Klammy, because obviously it was too subtle.

[Skjellyfetti]

Given the narrow margin of victory in key swing states, MASSIVE voter fraud is not necessary. just a few key incidents, properly placed, will do the trick. The fraud doesn’t have to be obvious or massive. Just has to be leveraged correctly.

Did you think the same in 2016? What about 2000?

[UNI88]

Stop being so obtuse. The point is obvious. Given the narrow margin of victory in key swing states, MASSIVE voter fraud is not necessary. just a few key incidents, properly placed, will do the trick. The fraud doesn’t have to be obvious or massive. Just has to be leveraged correctly.

Define narrow and massive.

Narrow - the average leftist's mind when's it comes to understanding and tolerating opposing points of view.

Massive - the average leftist has a massive capacity to believe bullshit when it comes to accepting fanciful & discredited economic theories that ignore human nature.

How's that?

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[UNI88]

Stop being so obtuse. The point is obvious. Given the narrow margin of victory in key swing states, MASSIVE voter fraud is not necessary. just a few key incidents, properly placed, will do the trick. The fraud doesn’t have to be obvious or massive. Just has to be leveraged correctly.

Where’s the proof?


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In the pudding?

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[AZGrizFan]

Given the narrow margin of victory in key swing states, MASSIVE voter fraud is not necessary. just a few key incidents, properly placed, will do the trick. The fraud doesn’t have to be obvious or massive. Just has to be leveraged correctly.

Did you think the same in 2016? What about 2000?

I didn’t have to. You did it for me.

We went from “Russia stole the election” to “elections can’t be hacked” in fucking RECORD time, didn’t we though?

[SeattleGriz]

Given the narrow margin of victory in key swing states, MASSIVE voter fraud is not necessary. just a few key incidents, properly placed, will do the trick. The fraud doesn’t have to be obvious or massive. Just has to be leveraged correctly.

Did you think the same in 2016? What about 2000?

You know, I've looked at 2016 and the same thing applies. I just don't know of any valid claims of fraud.

Trump won the rust belt by something like 88k.

[SDHornet]

Did you think the same in 2016? What about 2000?

I didn’t have to. You did it for me.

We went from “Russia stole the election” to “elections can’t be hacked” in fucking RECORD time, didn’t we though?

Oofff.. Jelly getting mud stomped again. It's like 2017 all over again in his world.

[SDHornet]

Define narrow and massive.

Narrow = several thousand votes strategically placed here or there by just a few people
Massive = systemic, nationwide

Yup. I agree with that there wasn't "widespread" fraud. Fraud only needed to occur un a few key counties, and it did.

[SeattleGriz]

Narrow = several thousand votes strategically placed here or there by just a few people
Massive = systemic, nationwide

Yup. I agree with that there wasn't "widespread" fraud. Fraud only needed to occur un a few key counties, and it did.

Pretty obvious to everyone the fraud happened in the swing states where the rules for mail in ballots were changed to pretty much allow a sticky note with a name on it to count.

[kalm]

Did you think the same in 2016? What about 2000?

You know, I've looked at 2016 and the same thing applies. I just don't know of any valid claims of fraud.

Trump won the rust belt by something like 88k.

Agreed. But potential foreign interference in 2016 and what happened this election are not the same. It also seems like there has been greater scrutiny of votes this election.

I still find it interesting how close this election was considering Trump’s lack of appeal, mistakes, nepotism, etc. the fact he received 74 million votes is an embarrassment.

[kalm]

Define narrow and massive.

Narrow - the average leftist's mind when's it comes to understanding and tolerating opposing points of view.

Massive - the average leftist has a massive capacity to believe bullshit when it comes to accepting fanciful & discredited economic theories that ignore human nature.

How's that?

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If you’d really like to have an economic discussion on what’s bullshit and what’s not right now...when things are unraveling all around us at the tale end of 40 years of neoliberalism...bring it!

I know you’re well positioned to see both sides too...

[AZGrizFan]

Narrow - the average leftist's mind when's it comes to understanding and tolerating opposing points of view.

Massive - the average leftist has a massive capacity to believe bullshit when it comes to accepting fanciful & discredited economic theories that ignore human nature.

How's that?

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If you’d really like to have an economic discussion on what’s bullshit and what’s not right now...when things are unraveling all around us at the tale end of 40 years of neoliberalism...bring it!

I know you’re well positioned to see both sides too...

Really? You’re going to blame the unraveling on the system?
Sweet Jesus, this ought to be good....

[SeattleGriz]

You know, I've looked at 2016 and the same thing applies. I just don't know of any valid claims of fraud.

Trump won the rust belt by something like 88k.

Agreed. But potential foreign interference in 2016 and what happened this election are not the same. It also seems like there has been greater scrutiny of votes this election.

I still find it interesting how close this election was considering Trump’s lack of appeal, mistakes, nepotism, etc. the fact he received 74 million votes is an embarrassment.

There has been a greater scrutiny, but I am still stunned at how the states are unwilling to participate in any meaningful audit. Still not one forensic audit on ballots has been performed and only the one time performing an audit on the Voting machines in Antrim County - due to a marijuana vote no less! Not because of Trump.

Seeing how our government works, you can see they all just want it to simply go away without performing any work. Besides, it would just expose everyone at how poorly we have allowed our elections to be run.

[SDHornet]

Agreed. But potential foreign interference in 2016 and what happened this election are not the same. It also seems like there has been greater scrutiny of votes this election.

I still find it interesting how close this election was considering Trump’s lack of appeal, mistakes, nepotism, etc. the fact he received 74 million votes is an embarrassment.

There has been a greater scrutiny, but I am still stunned at how the states are unwilling to participate in any meaningful audit. Still not one forensic audit on ballots has been performed and only the one time performing an audit on the Voting machines in Antrim County - due to a marijuana vote no less! Not because of Trump.

Seeing how our government works, you can see they all just want it to simply go away without performing any work. Besides, it would just expose everyone at how poorly we have allowed our elections to be run.

It's almost like they are hiding something...

[Gil Dobie]

Who won the election?

[SeattleGriz]

Who won the election?

Are you talking legal or illegal ballot-wise?

Hmm. 170k more votes than voters in Pennsylvania. Wasn't that vote count certified as accurate?

https://wjactv.com/news/local/pa-republ ... ont-add-up

He says the difference of 202,377 more votes cast than voters voting, together with the 31,547 over- and under-votes in the presidential race, adds up to a discrepancy of 170,830 votes, which is more than twice the reported statewide difference between Donald Trump and Joe Biden.

[UNI88]

Narrow - the average leftist's mind when's it comes to understanding and tolerating opposing points of view.

Massive - the average leftist has a massive capacity to believe bullshit when it comes to accepting fanciful & discredited economic theories that ignore human nature.

How's that?

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If you’d really like to have an economic discussion on what’s bullshit and what’s not right now...when things are unraveling all around us at the tale end of 40 years of neoliberalism...bring it!

I know you’re well positioned to see both sides too...

A discussion would be great. I'll even drink a few beers to help level the playing field ...

Has the 40 years of neoliberalism been a bad thing and the unraveling is good or the opposite?

I do try and see both sides and both are guilty of serious bullshit.

[kalm]

If you’d really like to have an economic discussion on what’s bullshit and what’s not right now...when things are unraveling all around us at the tale end of 40 years of neoliberalism...bring it!

I know you’re well positioned to see both sides too...

A discussion would be great. I'll even drink a few beers to help level the playing field ...

Has the 40 years of neoliberalism been a bad thing and the unraveling is good or the opposite?

I do try and see both sides and both are guilty of serious bullshit.

Neither. Both are probably inevitable. It depends on your priorities (short term gain) and how you value the future (for yourself and the next generations. The key is how we deal with the unraveling.

Like we’ve agreed on before, the size of government for better or worse is either about to get much larger, or we will be navigating some serious threats to the union.

Just the size of the impending health spending debacle alone coming down the pike will require a significant shift.

[kalm]

Who won the election?

Are you talking legal or illegal ballot-wise?

Hmm. 170k more votes than voters in Pennsylvania. Wasn't that vote count certified as accurate?

https://wjactv.com/news/local/pa-republ ... ont-add-up

He says the difference of 202,377 more votes cast than voters voting, together with the 31,547 over- and under-votes in the presidential race, adds up to a discrepancy of 170,830 votes, which is more than twice the reported statewide difference between Donald Trump and Joe Biden.

With all of this factual and obvious fraud evidence out there, Trump’s legal team must really suck!

[SeattleGriz]

Are you talking legal or illegal ballot-wise?

Hmm. 170k more votes than voters in Pennsylvania. Wasn't that vote count certified as accurate?

https://wjactv.com/news/local/pa-republ ... ont-add-up

With all of this factual and obvious fraud evidence out there, Trump’s legal team must really suck!

This is what I was saying. You can't get anyone to perform the audit to either prove or disprove the claims.

This is the government afraid to show how poorly they run elections.

[kalm]

With all of this factual and obvious fraud evidence out there, Trump’s legal team must really suck!

This is what I was saying. You can't get anyone to perform the audit to either prove or disprove the claims.

This is the government afraid to show how poorly they run elections.

Umm...weren’t the votes audited?